Stadium Development

[Keen Blade]

The thing that will test it is getting rid of the stupid one ticket per person policy.

At some point in time every club that has expanded their stadium has had to attract fans that have either never been before, or who haven't been for years, perhaps decades.

Now, put yourself inside someone shoes who is basically a United fan, but has never been or hasn't been for years. Why would this person go alone to a place he has never been to before?

Very good point.
One ticket per person is an unnecessary restriction apart from the games v Pigs & possibly Dirty Weeds.
As is the requirement for loyalty points.
Club behaves as if we have more demand than supply for every home game but the plain fact is we don't sell out 21 of the 23.
For those 21 games , anyone with a purchase history should be able to buy their own plus one extra seat for a newcomer - forget all the other bollox - the registered buyer remains responsible for his "guest".
There is no need for the club to know the personal details of everyone in the ground - it's just an obsession with data & IT.
One issue which hampers newcomers is where the newcomer is accompanying friends who are ST holders - the 3 main stands are so crammed with ST holders that it is impossible for the newcomer to sit with his ST mate(s) unless they all go and sit in the worst seats.
The only way of solving this is for the ST holder(s) to swap for the particular match to the BLUT and the newcomer joins them there - but it's a faff.
So you have 22k ST holders who could potentially be the catalyst for new fans but no practical way of exploiting that huge source for their family & mates.
So you are left with just the 3k walk-up fans to bring newcomers.
No wonder we don't sell out , there are so many obstacles to organic growth of support.
Oh for the old 3 sided ground of the early 70s - i recall that we were on our usual 17k before that golden 70/71 promotion season when we hit 30k and even a 40k , then in 71/72 40k a few times.
Can you imagine such a response to success these days ?
All-seater & ticketing policies mean we can't even add 2k or 3k when the team are playing good football.
Sorry for the nostalgia of those flexible days

 

[finlaytheblade]

Very good point.
One ticket per person is an unnecessary restriction apart from the games v Pigs & possibly Dirty Weeds.
As is the requirement for loyalty points.
Club behaves as if we have more demand than supply for every home game but the plain fact is we don't sell out 21 of the 23.
For those 21 games , anyone with a purchase history should be able to buy their own plus one extra seat for a newcomer - forget all the other bollox - the registered buyer remains responsible for his "guest".
There is no need for the club to know the personal details of everyone in the ground - it's just an obsession with data & IT.
One issue which hampers newcomers is where the newcomer is accompanying friends who are ST holders - the 3 main stands are so crammed with ST holders that it is impossible for the newcomer to sit with his ST mate(s) unless they all go and sit in the worst seats.
The only way of solving this is for the ST holder(s) to swap for the particular match to the BLUT and the newcomer joins them there - but it's a faff.
So you have 22k ST holders who could potentially be the catalyst for new fans but no practical way of exploiting that huge source for their family & mates.
So you are left with just the 3k walk-up fans to bring newcomers.
No wonder we don't sell out , there are so many obstacles to organic growth of support.
Oh for the old 3 sided ground of the early 70s - i recall that we were on our usual 17k before that golden 70/71 promotion season when we hit 30k and even a 40k , then in 71/72 40k a few times.
Can you imagine such a response to success these days ?
All-seater & ticketing policies mean we can't even add 2k or 3k when the team are playing good football.
Sorry for the nostalgia of those flexible days

Security is important but we seem to take it to the extreme. We should look at how other clubs do it .
Maybe the new owners if it happens will bring in a different way ! Maybe the American way!.

 

[Keen Blade]

Have you been up there? Yes you get great views but the facilities up there are piss poor. Queuing for halftime refreshments is ridiculous you could get to the queue 10minutes before halftime & still not get served by the time the 2nd half starts & the reason for that is that they serve piss (beer) in paper cups from a can ( at extortionate prices), it really does show it's age up there (concourse & bogs) not to mention that the seats towards John St are covered in bird shit that's the reason why i'll never go back up there, but still ...... Great views

Always was tight for space in concourse but serving methods are much worse these days.
Didn't know about the bird shit coz if I ever go up there I make sure I'm right behind the goal.
I wonder if we count the pigeons in the attendance?

 

[Mumbo]

Always was tight for space in concourse but serving methods are much worse these days.
Didn't know about the bird shit coz if I ever go up there I make sure I'm right behind the goal.
I wonder if we count the pigeons in the attendance?

No q’s at the turnstile,have a piss before the game,never bought owt at halftime so never encountered a problem,quick exit…great view

 

[LBA_Blade]

Security is important but we seem to take it to the extreme. We should look at how other clubs do it .
Maybe the new owners if it happens will bring in a different way ! Maybe the American way!.

You do wonder if that still is part of the hangover of when we had the blocks on the South stand closed for a few years due to crowd trouble. Is it the club or SYP or a combo of security consultants. Just like the every seat covered my CCTV which is nanny state when you think about it.

 

[Balham]

You do wonder if that still is part of the hangover of when we had the blocks on the South stand closed for a few years due to crowd trouble. Is it the club or SYP or a combo of security consultants. Just like the every seat covered my CCTV which is nanny state when you think about it.

Blocks on the South Stand closed due to idiots chucking stuff at away fans, no single match tickets available on the Kop for 4 months in 2022 because people weren't in the right place. We all know that the Council's SAG is risk averse but as a collective we've only ourselves to blame for the restrictions.

 

[Scoips]

fantastic pricing for our season tickets but im afraid its exactly what ive been saying for ages on here far too high pricing for match day tickets thats why were not getting 30k plus crowds

Season tickets on the South Stand and John Street are £650 - I genuinely don't think that is fantastic pricing. Sure, us old gits who've been going for eons get a reasonable deal, but £650 is steep for a prospective new supporter. That added to the 'one ticket per customer number' as others have said, the requirement for 500 loyalty points before you can buy a ticket (as it is for the Stoke game) and the various registration complexities make it look as though the club is actively discouraging any new fans.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Leeds United annouce stadium development plans.

The last major building work done to the stadium was the building of a new 17,000-seater East Stand in 1993, with the stadium consistently selling out as supply far outstrips demand in a city that has a population approaching 800,000. Every match has been sold out for the past six years and the season ticket waiting list currently sits at 26,000 fans.

The club announced on Monday that they are looking to modernise the stadium and hike capacity up from 37,000 to around 53,000, which would place Leeds in the top seven stadiums in England, ahead of Newcastle United and alongside Manchester City.

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Have we got a season ticket waiting list,have the pigs got a waiting list ?

Its that old Sheffield getting left behind by Leeds conundrum, if Sheffield was a one club city we could easily match Leeds.

 

[Shakespeare blade]

Season tickets on the South Stand and John Street are £650 - I genuinely don't think that is fantastic pricing. Sure, us old gits who've been going for eons get a reasonable deal, but £650 is steep for a prospective new supporter. That added to the 'one ticket per customer number' as others have said, the requirement for 500 loyalty points before you can buy a ticket (as it is for the Stoke game) and the various registration complexities make it look as though the club is actively discouraging any new fans.

I’ve asked for this to brought up at the fans forum or whatever it’s called, as a club we should actively be encouraging new fans but make it as hard as possible, the Wembley fiasco is a prime example, freshers week why weren’t we down there signing people up to the system, anyone who signs up gets a free or ridiculously cheap ticket, allowing tickets sales to go for so long before general sale is another ridiculous idea, if we insist on the points system give them a couple of days and move to the next group, general sale having the longest time of them all, if you want to go you’ll be there first day your allowed to, we currently selling about 2500 less tickets than capacity for home matches we need to feed our fan base to have a continuous supply of new meat so to speak, I’m one of those fans, got dragged along by a work colleague when I was 17 we had just been relegated to lg 1 under Harry, here I am 36 years later still going when I can, continually spending and have now forced it on my son who also does the same, McCabe got a few things right and building the fan base was one of them

 

[Chief]

Have we got a season ticket waiting list,have the pigs got a waiting list ?

Its that old Sheffield getting left behind by Leeds conundrum, if Sheffield was a one club city we could easily match Leeds.

No, but there are between 40k and 50k season ticket holders in Sheffield every year depending on which leagues the clubs are in. Which is fantastic.

It'd be pushing 60k if we ever see both of us in the Prem again.

If we were a one club city we'd be more successful than we have been, and have built up a wider fanbase. So that 60k could be even higher.

Leeds are the outlier in English football in that sense, not us. Large cities in the UK generally have at least two professional clubs, if not more. We are the norm.

Its a shame but we're not "left behind", we're just working under different constraints. It is what it is. Leeds unusually have a large city's population to themselves, which has led to historical success and that in turn has attracted fans from all over Yorkshire and beyond.

It doesn't mean Leeds United have glorious supremely dedicated fans (as they would like to think), or that ours are shit. Their circumstances are simply more beneficial and they've managed to capitalise on it... unfortunately!

 

[ColinHill]

Very good point.
One ticket per person is an unnecessary restriction apart from the games v Pigs & possibly Dirty Weeds.
As is the requirement for loyalty points.
Club behaves as if we have more demand than supply for every home game but the plain fact is we don't sell out 21 of the 23.
For those 21 games , anyone with a purchase history should be able to buy their own plus one extra seat for a newcomer - forget all the other bollox - the registered buyer remains responsible for his "guest".
There is no need for the club to know the personal details of everyone in the ground - it's just an obsession with data & IT.
One issue which hampers newcomers is where the newcomer is accompanying friends who are ST holders - the 3 main stands are so crammed with ST holders that it is impossible for the newcomer to sit with his ST mate(s) unless they all go and sit in the worst seats.
The only way of solving this is for the ST holder(s) to swap for the particular match to the BLUT and the newcomer joins them there - but it's a faff.
So you have 22k ST holders who could potentially be the catalyst for new fans but no practical way of exploiting that huge source for their family & mates.
So you are left with just the 3k walk-up fans to bring newcomers.
No wonder we don't sell out , there are so many obstacles to organic growth of support.
Oh for the old 3 sided ground of the early 70s - i recall that we were on our usual 17k before that golden 70/71 promotion season when we hit 30k and even a 40k , then in 71/72 40k a few times.
Can you imagine such a response to success these days ?
All-seater & ticketing policies mean we can't even add 2k or 3k when the team are playing good football.
Sorry for the nostalgia of those flexible days

Dead simple to move seats, i do it regularly to the BLUT when taking kids. Check seats online, call Ticket Office and its done in seconds. The club can then sell the seats the S/T holders have vacated. Never been an issue at all for me.

 

[ColinHill]

£100m to build a 25k seater capacity of that spec.
Very impressive.

Does make one wonder if we were to get promoted again whether we'd be better off accepting our fate (to an extent) and utilising the £30/40m towards ground improvements.
Saddens me somewhat that there's no legacy from our trips up to the PL.

Isnt part of the PL legacy that the club now owns its own ground, training ground, and all associated buildings (hotel, business corner) and has just bought the land for a new training ground in the most affluent area of the city? I've zero idea how much all that will have cost but i imagine its a Rhian Brewster or two!

 

[ColinHill]

No, but there are between 40k and 50k season ticket holders in Sheffield every year depending on which leagues the clubs are in. Which is fantastic.

It'd be pushing 60k if we ever see both of us in the Prem again.

If we were a one club city we'd be more successful than we have been, and have built up a wider fanbase. So that 60k could be even higher.

Leeds are the outlier in English football in that sense, not us. Large cities in the UK generally have at least two professional clubs, if not more. We are the norm.

Its a shame but we're not "left behind", we're just working under different constraints. It is what it is. Leeds unusually have a large city's population to themselves, which has led to historical success and that in turn has attracted fans from all over Yorkshire and beyond.

It doesn't mean Leeds United have glorious supremely dedicated fans (as they would like to think), or that ours are shit. Their circumstances are simply more beneficial and they've managed to capitalise on it... unfortunately!

Leeds, because of the 70's success, also have a massive pull on fans from all over the country and beyond. Cant stand the club and its supporters, but there's no denying Leeds are a very very big club. I dont doubt if they had a 60K+ stadium and were doing well they would easily fill it, ala Newcastle as they have the pull of surrounding areas

 

[tincan]

No, but there are between 40k and 50k season ticket holders in Sheffield every year depending on which leagues the clubs are in. Which is fantastic.

It'd be pushing 60k if we ever see both of us in the Prem again.

If we were a one club city we'd be more successful than we have been, and have built up a wider fanbase. So that 60k could be even higher.

Leeds are the outlier in English football in that sense, not us. Large cities in the UK generally have at least two professional clubs, if not more. We are the norm.

Its a shame but we're not "left behind", we're just working under different constraints. It is what it is. Leeds unusually have a large city's population to themselves, which has led to historical success and that in turn has attracted fans from all over Yorkshire and beyond.

It doesn't mean Leeds United have glorious supremely dedicated fans (as they would like to think), or that ours are shit. Their circumstances are simply more beneficial and they've managed to capitalise on it... unfortunately!

Whenever i go to Leeds or Manchester city centres on a saturday lunchtime, the places are heaving, no parking and trains are packed. In Sheffield, its empty, thats the root of the problem if both clubs want to return to the normal 40k plus gates of the past, then the council has got to do something to attract the shops and attractions that will make people want to go to the centre. Once they do, then investors in both clubs will see the markets and the returns their money will bring.

 

[JJBlade]

Very good point.
One ticket per person is an unnecessary restriction apart from the games v Pigs & possibly Dirty Weeds.
As is the requirement for loyalty points.
Club behaves as if we have more demand than supply for every home game but the plain fact is we don't sell out 21 of the 23.
For those 21 games , anyone with a purchase history should be able to buy their own plus one extra seat for a newcomer - forget all the other bollox - the registered buyer remains responsible for his "guest".
There is no need for the club to know the personal details of everyone in the ground - it's just an obsession with data & IT.
One issue which hampers newcomers is where the newcomer is accompanying friends who are ST holders - the 3 main stands are so crammed with ST holders that it is impossible for the newcomer to sit with his ST mate(s) unless they all go and sit in the worst seats.
The only way of solving this is for the ST holder(s) to swap for the particular match to the BLUT and the newcomer joins them there - but it's a faff.
So you have 22k ST holders who could potentially be the catalyst for new fans but no practical way of exploiting that huge source for their family & mates.
So you are left with just the 3k walk-up fans to bring newcomers.
No wonder we don't sell out , there are so many obstacles to organic growth of support.
Oh for the old 3 sided ground of the early 70s - i recall that we were on our usual 17k before that golden 70/71 promotion season when we hit 30k and even a 40k , then in 71/72 40k a few times.
Can you imagine such a response to success these days ?
All-seater & ticketing policies mean we can't even add 2k or 3k when the team are playing good football.
Sorry for the nostalgia of those flexible days

Too many people that have been involved with this club have been about restriction, getting by, staying afloat and every other boring, shit, unimaginative project they can think of. It has never once been about the potential.

This has now rubbed off on the fans who also cannot see any potential.

And although United have mainly been shit for the last 50 years there always used to be the potential for an absolutely enormous attendance if a one off game generated enough interest, this is something that the likes of Southampton, Leicester, Brighton, Cardiff, Swansea have never been able to say.

However, after thinking about their potential Leicester and Southampton, have gone from being clubs that could barely manage 12,000 attendances into one which will probably never see another sub 30,000 attendance ever again and have a waiting list for season tickets. And although 30,000 isn't enormous it is way beyond their historical capability. Neither of these clubs if history is taken as a whole have been as well attended as Sheffield United.

Wolves have gone from a club that could barely manage 4000 in Division Four to a club that could extend their stadium again and fill it.

Brighton built a new stadium and got to the Premier League, never in their entire history have they even looked remotely close to getting 30,000 for any game no matter how important it was. Their attendances increased five fold from recent years at the Withdean.

Cardiff and Swansea built new stadiums and attendances increased to levels that they have never seen before......Ever.

So why, when Sheffield United are a club that has seen 50,000 attendances and bigger in the past, can this not happen?

 

[WalkelyFan]

No, but there are between 40k and 50k season ticket holders in Sheffield every year depending on which leagues the clubs are in. Which is fantastic.

It'd be pushing 60k if we ever see both of us in the Prem again.

If we were a one club city we'd be more successful than we have been, and have built up a wider fanbase. So that 60k could be even higher.

Leeds are the outlier in English football in that sense, not us. Large cities in the UK generally have at least two professional clubs, if not more. We are the norm.

Its a shame but we're not "left behind", we're just working under different constraints. It is what it is. Leeds unusually have a large city's population to themselves, which has led to historical success and that in turn has attracted fans from all over Yorkshire and beyond.

It doesn't mean Leeds United have glorious supremely dedicated fans (as they would like to think), or that ours are shit. Their circumstances are simply more beneficial and they've managed to capitalise on it... unfortunately!

In peace. Leeds supporters would argue they do have two teams - just that one is a Rugby League team, Attendances around 14,000.

 

[JJBlade]

Leeds United annouce stadium development plans.

The last major building work done to the stadium was the building of a new 17,000-seater East Stand in 1993, with the stadium consistently selling out as supply far outstrips demand in a city that has a population approaching 800,000. Every match has been sold out for the past six years and the season ticket waiting list currently sits at 26,000 fans.

The club announced on Monday that they are looking to modernise the stadium and hike capacity up from 37,000 to around 53,000, which would place Leeds in the top seven stadiums in England, ahead of Newcastle United and alongside Manchester City.

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Have we got a season ticket waiting list,have the pigs got a waiting list ?

Its that old Sheffield getting left behind by Leeds conundrum, if Sheffield was a one club city we could easily match Leeds.

No, we haven't got a waiting list, we don't think that far ahead, and to have a waiting list the demand would have to outstrip supply, we are currently about 85% full.
Unless the club stops the stupid restrictions on people who would go now and then but can't be arsed to jump through multiple hoops to get a ticket there never will be a demand outstripping supply.

These are new fans we're talking about, people who do not go to football matches, people who can take it or leave it, people who probably don't even understand the procedures. If you make it difficult for them to do something that they have lived their entire lives not doing, they won't come.

And the club has to find a way to get them to come, otherwise what's the alternative.

I always look at it this way, if Old Trafford was bombed (heaven forbid) and all 73,000 people died, they'd have a new stadium chucked up in 12 months with a capacity of 100,000 and they'd have another 100,000 fans to fill it. A bit extreme I know.

But what if the same thing happened at Bramall Lane, all 28,000 gone in the blink of an eye, and not a single person left with a fucking loyalty point to carry on.

 

[Caveblade]

Good points.
Re STs , I know they were available for existing members this summer but I don't recall them going to general sale.
So I think the club deliberately limit their sales.
Re match tickets , I think they are too expensive for most people.
The club might say it has to maximise revenue and ST holders don't want their "discount" eroding but my answer to those two points is :

1. We sold only 3k home match tickets v Derby. Dropping from c£40 to c£30 would lose £30k. But 1k extra tickets sold would recoup that £30k AND potentially get 1k more people interested in coming to some matches , especially how we are currently playing.
It is very disappointing to see the BLUT only half-full for such an attractive fixture. Also , I dunno why so many seats on there are described as RV (at the John St side) , imo they're not.
2. At c£30 for a match ticket , there is still a substantial saving for STs.

This is why I am sceptical about ground expansion - the club doesn't seem to be bothered about filling the Lane as it is. So where is the ROI to justify investment ?
Dropping match tickets to c£30 would really test the market - if we can't sell-out at c£30 , just forget expansion.
Some on here say "build it and they will come" , but there is no better view in football than from the BLUT , so if we can't fill it now , why do they expect us to get bigger gates from a bit more capacity ?

Season tickets did go on general sale, I bought one.

 

[metalblade]

No incentive at all for a person to walk up and buy a ticket. I didn't renew my season ticket for this season so as a senior if I fancied going to a game say Stoke Cat A then they want me to pay £30 which to me is way too much. The other alternative is to buy a Membership at £40 which I believe gives you a discount which works out as a free ticket after you have paid to watch 5 games. Tickets go on sale to those with Memberships for two whole days before they go on general sale but then you have to have a previous purchasing history and loyalty points. For the average Joe on the street who hasn't been before or not been for years it is like an hurdle race to get a ticket.
I'm with JJBlade every thing he says on the subject is bang on the money. The club reeks of the Sheffield village mentality, clubs like Leeds, Brighton and a few other go out and do things we on the other hand think about it for years and end up doing nothing. Pigs are just the same they do nothing to the sty unless someone else pays for it.

 

[Stevo71]

In peace. Leeds supporters would argue they do have two teams - just that one is a Rugby League team, Attendances around 14,000.

They have two Rugby clubs albeit different codes both well supported.

 

[MadDad38]

Whenever i go to Leeds or Manchester city centres on a saturday lunchtime, the places are heaving, no parking and trains are packed. In Sheffield, its empty, thats the root of the problem if both clubs want to return to the normal 40k plus gates of the past, then the council has got to do something to attract the shops and attractions that will make people want to go to the centre. Once they do, then investors in both clubs will see the markets and the returns their money will bring.

I'd argue it is if anything the other way around in Liverpool and arguably Manchester as well. The Everton stadium will undoubtedly help to revitalise the dockside areas further, East Manchester has seen huge investment to what was a wasteland before City moved. London Stadium, even new Wembley - all catalysts for area regeneration.

 

[Icepop]

They have two Rugby clubs albeit different codes both well supported.

Rugby League club well supported but rugby union barely get 1000 watching.

 

[S64 Blade]

No incentive at all for a person to walk up and buy a ticket. I didn't renew my season ticket for this season so as a senior if I fancied going to a game say Stoke Cat A then they want me to pay £30 which to me is way too much. The other alternative is to buy a Membership at £40 which I believe gives you a discount which works out as a free ticket after you have paid to watch 5 games. Tickets go on sale to those with Memberships for two whole days before they go on general sale but then you have to have a previous purchasing history and loyalty points. For the average Joe on the street who hasn't been before or not been for years it is like an hurdle race to get a ticket.
I'm with JJBlade every thing he says on the subject is bang on the money. The club reeks of the Sheffield village mentality, clubs like Leeds, Brighton and a few other go out and do things we on the other hand think about it for years and end up doing nothing. Pigs are just the same they do nothing to the sty unless someone else pays for it.

The membership only provides £1 off a ticket (the same as the rip off transaction fee cost), so it doesn’t even provide any financial incentives.

Would be more interesting to get membership if it was £5 off.

 

[Keen Blade]

Reading the recent posts on this thread there is a theme of "Sheffield village mentality" contrasted with our peers in Liverpool , Manchester & Leeds.
And there doesn't seem to be any realistic prospect of either club funding improvements or expansions to their stadium which would bring them up to date and increase capacity.
Just an idle thought that one solution might be to ground-share with the pigs.
Sell off both existing grounds for development and build a new stadium with good views , better catering etc.
I can't speak for the sty , but bolting bits onto our SS & Kop whilst cramped by the site on John St & Bramall Lane seems a low quality plan.
Works in Milan.
Pelters incoming ....
"I'm not sitting where a pig has sat" etc.

 

[Keen Blade]

Too many people that have been involved with this club have been about restriction, getting by, staying afloat and every other boring, shit, unimaginative project they can think of. It has never once been about the potential.

This has now rubbed off on the fans who also cannot see any potential.

And although United have mainly been shit for the last 50 years there always used to be the potential for an absolutely enormous attendance if a one off game generated enough interest, this is something that the likes of Southampton, Leicester, Brighton, Cardiff, Swansea have never been able to say.

However, after thinking about their potential Leicester and Southampton, have gone from being clubs that could barely manage 12,000 attendances into one which will probably never see another sub 30,000 attendance ever again and have a waiting list for season tickets. And although 30,000 isn't enormous it is way beyond their historical capability. Neither of these clubs if history is taken as a whole have been as well attended as Sheffield United.

Wolves have gone from a club that could barely manage 4000 in Division Four to a club that could extend their stadium again and fill it.

Brighton built a new stadium and got to the Premier League, never in their entire history have they even looked remotely close to getting 30,000 for any game no matter how important it was. Their attendances increased five fold from recent years at the Withdean.

Cardiff and Swansea built new stadiums and attendances increased to levels that they have never seen before......Ever.

So why, when Sheffield United are a club that has seen 50,000 attendances and bigger in the past, can this not happen?

I think the answer is easy - lack of bold owners with big money.
The club has barely been able to pay the wages required to sustain PL survival.
Double our gates and it's only an extra £6m pa , from which you need to service the loan taken out to build.

 

[S64 Blade]

Reading the recent posts on this thread there is a theme of "Sheffield village mentality" contrasted with our peers in Liverpool , Manchester & Leeds.
And there doesn't seem to be any realistic prospect of either club funding improvements or expansions to their stadium which would bring them up to date and increase capacity.
Just an idle thought that one solution might be to ground-share with the pigs.
Sell off both existing grounds for development and build a new stadium with good views , better catering etc.
I can't speak for the sty , but bolting bits onto our SS & Kop whilst cramped by the site on John St & Bramall Lane seems a low quality plan.
Works in Milan.
Pelters incoming ....
"I'm not sitting where a pig has sat" etc.

It works in Milan as they’ve shared the ground for 100+ years. They are actually now moving to have separate, new stadiums.

I think the biggest issue with it is how it’d be funded. They’d have far more to gain from it at the moment. They don’t own their ground so any sale of Hillsborough won’t help fund a shared venue.

 

[Keen Blade]

It works in Milan as they’ve shared the ground for 100+ years. They are actually now moving to have separate, new stadiums.

I think the biggest issue with it is how it’d be funded. They’d have far more to gain from it at the moment. They don’t own their ground so any sale of Hillsborough won’t help fund a shared venue.

That's a good point , but Chansiri would have to sell the sty and contribute an amount equal to whatever we realised from selling the Lane.
Just a pipe dream I suppose , when you think of how much a new 40k or 50k stadium would cost.

 

[Pegster]

In peace. Leeds supporters would argue they do have two teams - just that one is a Rugby League team, Attendances around 14,000.

Ice hockey ?

 

[leppingslaneblade]

Far left must include slaughtering n grooming white children then ? Play that game all day long lol

Not sure Savile could be called far left.

 

[WalkelyFan]

Not sure Savile could be called far left.

I can't find the quote about Saville on here but he was a great mate of Margaret Thatcher and she loved him to bits. He spent New Years Day at Chequers with her on more than one occasion. Not far left then.