Wilder

[Sky Blues]

This is the second string team

Over reacting to our second team not winning is basically a sign low intelligence.

Over reacting? Your second string becomes your 1st team players. It's a long hard season. Injuries/suspensions soon build up.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Over reacting? Your second string becomes your 1st team players. It's a long hard season. Injuries/suspensions soon build up.

Oh, Christ, he’s on this thread as well now.

 

[Bladezz]

Over reacting? Your second string becomes your 1st team players. It's a long hard season. Injuries/suspensions soon build up.

Yes over reacting. It’s a sign of the times. The snowflake culture that we find online.

It doesn’t become the first team though does it. Hampson / Saichev / Coulibaly / Marsh / RND are so far away from our first team currently.

We are short on players I’m hoping for a few more which then pushes these even further away.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Sad that mate Club our size and the pinnacle is winning the poxy old 4th division I was there and looking back I find the whole thing over the top
Now Leicester was more like it a perfect day

Individual memories .what's for one isn't always for someone else .

 

[Oreyt]

Over reacting? Your second string becomes your 1st team players. It's a long hard season. Injuries/suspensions soon build up.

I don't think it's as much as they become your first team - but they need to be able to step in when first teamers get carded/injured/etc.

That's what depth is. And last night, cup loss aside which I couldn't give a toss about, was a worrying sign.

 

[Bladezz]

I don't think it's as much as they become your first team - but they need to be able to step in when first teamers get carded/injured/etc.

That's what depth is. And last night, cup loss aside which I couldn't give a toss about, was a worrying sign.

Few days to resolve that.

Replace Trusty and Slimane.

Bring in a centre midfielder and a striker then we are looking good.

 

[SLB]

Good plan A. Other sides make changes at HT. No plan B?

Please go away.

 

[AWetFlannel]

He criticises his team, He gives his opinion. That's fine but there's a pattern emerging and that he never looks at himself and says what he could have done differently.

You really think that when they analyse the game tomorrow, Wilder and the other coaches won't entertain the idea that they could've done something differently?

You want him to blame himself when talking to the press, I get it but don't think it actually matters.

 

[AWetFlannel]

It’s not the line up that’s a problem to me

Intensity, desire, game plan, winning mentality - if a young hybrid side show all those traits and lose fair enough

But imo non of the above were on display, all of those are driven by the manager, thats his job.

Could get ugly if we struggle against Watford, 3:3 wins in league to date

Which clubs, under which managers, consistently get high intensity performances out of their players, even in cup games with a second string?

Leeds got knocked out in the first round at home, getting spanked by a much changed Middlesbrough. All hail Carrick. Last night they got battered 0-5 at home by a much changed Stoke.

Should Leeds sack Farke? Should Boro sack Carrick? Who the fuck do we hire if we can't hire all these managers who fail in the League Cup?

 

[moody1889]

Assuming new owners take over after transfer window closes ( conveniently) I would be nervous if I was Wilder . Not sure the honeymoon will last too long

Of course they are gonna take over after the transfer window closes it is too predictable looks like we have another set of chancers taking us over.

 

[SwissBlade]

Good plan A. Other sides make changes at HT. No plan B?

There was certainly no real plan B. The plan A seemingly had two parts:
1. Play youngsters and expect them to be good enough.
2. Give those players enough minutes on the pitch to get some game time in their legs and also save the first teamers for Sunday… because it’s a long hard season with injuries and suspensions etc (that you mention later in this thread)

Bringing the players like Hamer on later were a sign that we had to do something different. It was probably not part of the plan

 

[Bladezz]

You really think that when they analyse the game tomorrow, Wilder and the other coaches won't entertain the idea that they could've done something differently?

You want him to blame himself when talking to the press, I get it but don't think it actually matters.

I would sit there and think, we need to sign a few players as currently some of the lads are league 2/1 level.

 

[AWetFlannel]

There was certainly no real plan B. The plan A seemingly had two parts:
1. Play youngsters and expect them to be good enough.
2. Give those players enough minutes on the pitch to get some game time in their legs and also save the first teamers for Sunday… because it’s a long hard season with injuries and suspensions etc (that you mention later in this thread)

Bringing the players like Hamer on later were a sign that we had to do something different. It was probably not part of the plan

We were the better team in the first half. Barnsley made no changes at HT and then had a spell and scored.

Was that evidence of a plan B? Do we normally see teams that have multiple tactical setups that they change to within a game? Don't think I've ever seen Liverpool do that under Klopp.

 

[BladeInIreland]

I don't think it's as much as they become your first team - but they need to be able to step in when first teamers get carded/injured/etc.

That's what depth is. And last night, cup loss aside which I couldn't give a toss about, was a worrying sign.

When we need these players to fill in they will be doing so alongside the regular team not a changed 11. They will have a much better chance of putting in a good performance.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So does Chris need to pop into the ticket office to check how many tickets we have sold before picking a team?

He seems unable to change things happening bang in front of him during a game so unlikely he’d put that much thought into it.

“Ticket office staff didn’t stick to the script”

 

[steve26272]

Which clubs, under which managers, consistently get high intensity performances out of their players, even in cup games with a second string?

Leeds got knocked out in the first round at home, getting spanked by a much changed Middlesbrough. All hail Carrick. Last night they got battered 0-5 at home by a much changed Stoke.

Should Leeds sack Farke? Should Boro sack Carrick? Who the fuck do we hire if we can't hire all these managers who fail in the League Cup?

Who said owt about sacking him? im merely pointing out its his job to get the players he puts on the pitch to play to the best of their ability, if they then get beat by a better team then fair play.

Do you think its acceptable for an experienced manager on more £ a week than most of us earn a year to allow a performance like that?

Had CW made the changes at half time instead of waiting till Barnsley had something to hold on to we would still be in the hat - or start a strong team, go 3-0 up and then sub them off?

 

[Matlock Blade]

Seeing as only 0.0001% of fans wanted Wilder back, hopefully the new owners will have an idea of who will be an improvement after a few more games. I've read that Mark Robbins is the best manager in the Championship... Surely we should make him an offer? He'd probably love to manage a big club that has ambitions.

 

[Sean Thornton]

This is the second string team

Over reacting to our second team not winning is basically a sign low intelligence.

Anyone with even low intelligence can see it’s not so much the result or the team selection. Well, clearly not everyone.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Who said owt about sacking him? im merely pointing out its his job to get the players he puts on the pitch to play to the best of their ability, if they then get beat by a better team then fair play.

Do you think its acceptable for an experienced manager on more £ a week than most of us earn a year to allow a performance like that?

Had CW made the changes at half time instead of waiting till Barnsley had something to hold on to we would still be in the hat - or start a strong team, go 3-0 up and then sub them off?

So what Wilder did was unacceptable. What should the club do about it then? Sack him is the implication.

That he gets paid lots of money doesn't mean he can magically ensure we never play badly. Man City have put in similarity "unacceptable" performances over the years.

If we started our first eleven and one of our best players got injured, or if we then lost on Sunday and looked tired, there would be uproar on the forum and he would face consequences from the club. If this was something only Wilder chose to do, I'd get it, but do you not look at other teams before kick off? They all make loads of changes.

 

[cahill]

I agree tonight was about 'character building' but he's now approaching his 57th birthday and that 'character building' should have been done years ago.

Agree I’ve calmed down a bit this morning.

 

[Bladezz]

Anyone with even low intelligence can see it’s not so much the result or the team selection. Well, clearly not everyone.

Oh you’re back again after a loss! Some things never do change.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Oh you’re back again after a loss! Some things never do change.

That’s it, don’t deal with the point emptybrain.

 

[Bladezz]

That’s it, don’t deal with the point emptybrain.

I’ve realised long time ago. You and Crazyblade only come on when we lose. It’s pointless conversing with you on actual points of discussion. Easier to just be polite and ignore you. Which is why I wish you a pleasant day.

 

[steve26272]

So what Wilder did was unacceptable. What should the club do about it then? Sack him is the implication.

That he gets paid lots of money doesn't mean he can magically ensure we never play badly. Man City have put in similarity "unacceptable" performances over the years.

If we started our first eleven and one of our best players got injured, or if we then lost on Sunday and looked tired, there would be uproar on the forum and he would face consequences from the club. If this was something only Wilder chose to do, I'd get it, but do you not look at other teams before kick off? They all make loads of changes.

Who's implied that? I havent?
What I have said is should we lose against Watford I can see CW coming in for some stick, as that would be a visible decline = W,D,D,L,L. -

Do you accept last night was below par?
You advocating poor performances?
What do you think should be done?

And to be fair of course it does! Presume your self employed? As generally a Director on £100k a year is expected to do more and carry more responsibility than a lad knocking around on a shop floor earning £22k.
So yes, his earnings are a relevant point when discussing someone on an output salary of multiple millions

 

[AWetFlannel]

Who's implied that? I havent?
What I have said is should we lose against Watford I can see CW coming in for some stick, as that would be a visible decline = W,D,D,L,L. -

Do you accept last night was below par?
You advocating poor performances?
What do you think should be done?

And to be fair of course it does! Presume your self employed? As generally a Director on £100k a year is expected to do more and carry more responsibility than a lad knocking around on a shop floor earning £22k.
So yes, his earnings are a relevant point when discussing someone on an output salary of multiple millions

If someone does something unacceptable in their job, what is the suitable action that should be taken?

Was last night below par? Yeah, slightly below average performance, but it's difficult for players that don't regularly play together to look cohesive. In a team sport which contains lots of lucky moments and fine margins, there are constantly upsets, it's why we love it. Every team and every manager deliver under par performances fairly regularly. On this forum it's received as an outrage.

What do I think should be done? Nothing and move on.

As the manager he does carry more responsibility, which is demonstrated by the fact that only managers regularly get sacked for poor results. His earnings are relevant to the extent that they deviate from the norm. If we could hire a manager of a similar calibre for half the price, then it would become relevant. As it stands I can't see why it matters.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Seeing as only 0.0001% of fans wanted Wilder back, hopefully the new owners will have an idea of who will be an improvement after a few more games. I've read that Mark Robbins is the best manager in the Championship... Surely we should make him an offer? He'd probably love to manage a big club that has ambitions.

I've heard of lies, damn lies and statistics but really!

 

[LBA_Blade]

Being realistic about it, yes it was only the League cup and if we had progressed much further the chances are we would end up getting knocked out by a 1st team plus some youngsters from a club that have a chance of going all the way such as Villa or Fulham etc. The team on paper put out should be beating a league 1 side regardless though and although good to get more minutes for some, how many more minutes do others need. Least Hamer looked like he actually woke up that night but I don't know if the pre-match talk about "there will be changes" affected attitudes but if we are looking to become an established side we need to have the depth to be able to push aside teams like that. Just putting it our there Fulham made 11 changes from the weekend and beat Birmingham 2-0 away although not the result of the season they were clinical and that is what we are lacking at the moment a clinical convincing performance. Vs Preston away great start to the season but the narrative was it should have been 3 or 4, if Preston could have hit a barn door and snuck a goal the panic would have set in.

 

[Cheesebored]

Seeing as only 0.0001% of fans wanted Wilder back, hopefully the new owners will have an idea of who will be an improvement after a few more games. I've read that Mark Robbins is the best manager in the Championship... Surely we should make him an offer? He'd probably love to manage a big club that has ambitions.

I remember my first pint.

 

[Champagneblade]

Assuming new owners take over after transfer window closes ( conveniently) I would be nervous if I was Wilder . Not sure the honeymoon will last too long

He’s going to have a very good squad so it shouldn’t last long either.

If we’re not a permanent fixture in the top 6, with that midfield and keeper then something is very wrong.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I’ve realised long time ago. You and Crazyblade only come on when we lose. It’s pointless conversing with you on actual points of discussion. Easier to just be polite and ignore you. Which is why I wish you a pleasant day.

Only come on when we lose? Are you really that stupid to make that claim? Clearly untrue but run with it if you need to feel better about yourself. But, you’re the one who hasn’t dealt with my point. Odd that, but running away is probably all you have.

Pleasant day? I hope you shit yourself while driving.