Defence

[thehet]

It was almost a carbon copy of the goal conceded against Harrogate. JLT and his half a brain cell gets suckered in and fails to win a ball on the half way line and results in a breakaway goal.

Guys a liability and a bang average defender but because he loves a wild tackle and was our “best” player last season, he seems to have been elevated to undroppable status.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Our defenders suit a back 3 better than a back 4

We don't have an ideal back 4 partnership between them

Problem is our midfielders are more suited to a back 4 formation

Fitting this group together is going to be a challenge and the odd sacrifice will have to be made

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

I watched Robinson away at Wolves in the cup when he got hooked at HT.

Ability wise he's not very good.

He does have pashun though, and supporters like that. In a season where we had none, his was a shining light.

I can see why Wilder made him Captain. Wilders problem is that if a better, technical player comes along, he'll have to drop Robinson and that's awkward when he's captain.

He should have stuck with Arblaster as Captain IMO.

 

[Lightsoot]

Fuck me. The bedwetters are out in force this evening.

We’ve just squandered a 2-0 lead against a bang average Championship side, and in doing so showing the same defensive frailties that we’ve had over 6 months to fix. What reaction were you expecting and what do you think would be acceptable?

 

[designedbyross]

Our defenders suit a back 3 better than a back 4

We don't have an ideal back 4 partnership between them

Problem is our midfielders are more suited to a back 4 formation

Fitting this group together is going to be a challenge and the odd sacrifice will have to be made

Pretty much this. The “rebuild” looks a bit daft after second halves like today. If this 4231 formation is what we’re aiming for the recruitment doesn’t really match it, defensively anyway.

 

[alcoblade]

We’ve just squandered a 2-0 lead against a bang average Championship side, and in doing so showing the same defensive frailties that we’ve had over 6 months to fix. What reaction were you expecting and what do you think would be acceptable?

I’d hope one that reflects 4 points from 6, only 2 games into a complete squad rebuild with a whole team that’s barely played together.

But given the lack of mettle of many modern football fans, the reaction could be entirely expected, yes.

 

[Lightsoot]

I’d hope one that reflects 4 points from 6, only 2 games into a complete squad rebuild with a whole team that’s barely played together.

But given the lack of metal of many modern football fans, the reaction could be entirely expected, yes.

Statistically you’re correct, and I agree that there have been some overreactions. But playing Anel and Robbo in a 4 is begging for trouble.

 

[Keen Blade]

I thought Robinson was a right back when he joined from Forest.

If so, shift him to RB if Gilchrist isn't fit, and bring Souttar in. I still think we need another CB.

Davies was always going to get dropped for Cooper, and it seems like he's made the managers job easy.

Midfield needs to settle down.

Poor result today, but it's 2 wins and a draw so far this season if I'm wearing my positive pants.

10 new players in and some are calling for the manager to be sacked - FFS

Robbo was a LB

 

[vas borbokis]

Robbo was a LB

He's clearly very right footed and played for us at left back a number of times. Just don't understand how our fans can get stuff like this so wrong. It's justweird tbh.

 

[Keen Blade]

On today's evidence our defence is in a muddle.

We've gone away from "5 at the back" but none of today's 4 looked effective in a 4.
Burrows history is good going forward so more suited to WB.
Gilchrist not a RB.
Robbo not strong enough in a CB duo.
Anel out of sorts in second half.

Even when all our defenders are fit , it seems like half are suited to a 5 and half are suited to a 4.

Unfortunate that Shackleton & Seriki both injured.
So probably forced to stick with a 4 and Gilchrist doing his best to adjust.

But for now I would play McCallum at LB and Souttar plus either Anel or Trusty in the centre.

Making Robbo captain is understandable but short-sighted if we intend to be set up as a 4.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Robinson being the most viable captain points to the biggest failure in recruitment so far

A lack of experience and leadership

Worrall would solve a lot

 

[Keen Blade]

On today's evidence our defence is in a muddle.
We've gone away from "5 at the back" but none of today's 4 looked effective in a 4.
Burrows history is good going forward so more suited to WB.
Gilchrist not a RB.
Robbo not strong enough in a CB duo.
Anel out of sorts in second half.

Even when all our defenders are fit , it seems like half are suited to a 5 and half are suited to a 4.

Unfortunate that Shackleton & Seriki both injured.
So probably forced to stick with a 4 and Gilchrist doing his best to adjust.

But for now I would play McCallum at LB and Souttar plus either Anel or Trusty in the centre.



Making Robbo captain is understandable but short-sighted if we intend to be set up as a 4.

 

[Black Cloud]

Quick fix = Sottar, Anel & Robo as a return to a back three. McCallum at LWB and Brooks to RWB.
CW has never been able to introduce a different way of playing and use/timing of subs is embarrasing.
It would be no surprise if the takeover mob were looking at a replacement already.

 

[AWetFlannel]

To the people calling management "Hecky-esque", do they realise he led us to one of our most comfortable promotions from this division?

 

[bakeblade]

On today's evidence our defence is in a muddle.

We've gone away from "5 at the back" but none of today's 4 looked effective in a 4.
Burrows history is good going forward so more suited to WB.
Gilchrist not a RB.
Robbo not strong enough in a CB duo.
Anel out of sorts in second half.

Even when all our defenders are fit , it seems like half are suited to a 5 and half are suited to a 4.

Unfortunate that Shackleton & Seriki both injured.
So probably forced to stick with a 4 and Gilchrist doing his best to adjust.

But for now I would play McCallum at LB and Souttar plus either Anel or Trusty in the centre.

Making Robbo captain is understandable but short-sighted if we intend to be set up as a 4.

Muddled defensive recruitment without doubt.
McCallum and Burrows more suited to LWB, Shackleton more of a squad filler and Gilchrist probably more suited to a back 3. Existing players Robbo, Anel, Trusty and Seriki back 5 players.
Only Souttar may be able to do a job in a 4.
Only a matter of time, I'm afraid, until we revert to the old system.

 

[bakeblade]

Quick fix = Sottar, Anel & Robo as a return to a back three. McCallum at LWB and Brooks to RWB.
CW has never been able to introduce a different way of playing and use/timing of subs is embarrasing.
It would be no surprise if the takeover mob were looking at a replacement already.

We shouldn't be looking for a quick fix after a pre season of planning.

 

[FriethBlade]

Fuck me. The bedwetters are out in force this evening.

Sorry do you mean the people trying to analyse on a forum how we went from dominating a game 2-0 to dropping 2 points against a side that will finish in the bottom half?

Please forgive me and I do apologise for giving my opinion that the 2 full backs today didn't look good defensively with Brook and Hamer in front of them....

 

[FriethBlade]

We shouldn't be looking for a quick fix after a pre season of planning.

Agreed, what's a little ironic is this formation would have suited Baldock down to the ground. What we need is a quick, aggressive natural defender when we have Brooks or Rak Saki wide right.

Gilchrist could easily be that man because as i said earlier he's been dropped straight into the team in a position which isn't his natural place. He's clearly got something to have played for Chelsea. I think we can rest assured that the training staff will be working on him all week.

 

[alcoblade]

Sorry do you mean the people trying to analyse on a forum how we went from dominating a game 2-0 to dropping 2 points against a side that will finish in the bottom half?

Please forgive me and I do apologise for giving my opinion that the 2 full backs today didn't look good defensively with Brook and Hamer in front of them....

Yes, it was the in depth analysys I was referring to. There’s so much great stuff, not remotely reactionary.

 

[raimond]

Personally I think it's daft blaming Burrows for how he played when he had no protection in front of or alongside him.

Robinson's all heart but can't read danger. He dives in all the time and although that means he occasionally makes a crunching tackle just as often he leaves someone breaking clean free.

Anel can play but has zero heart, aggression (he did at first so not sure where it's gone) or leadership. Get him sold, get a right back, it's looking like 5 at the back so Souttar in the middle, Gilchrist to his right, Trusty or Robinson to his left, Burrows lwb and get another centre half in too either for the bench or as an upgrade on Trusty/Robinson. And ideally an old head because f*** me we're a young side.

 

[FriethBlade]

Yes, it was the in depth analysys I was referring to. There’s so much great stuff, not remotely reactionary.

Knob....is that in depth enough for you

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Personally I think it's daft blaming Burrows for how he played when he had no protection in front of or alongside him.

Robinson's all heart but can't read danger. He dives in all the time and although that means he occasionally makes a crunching tackle just as often he leaves someone breaking clean free.

Anel can play but has zero heart, aggression (he did at first so not sure where it's gone) or leadership. Get him sold, get a right back, it's looking like 5 at the back so Souttar in the middle, Gilchrist to his right, Trusty or Robinson to his left, Burrows lwb and get another centre half in too either for the bench or as an upgrade on Trusty/Robinson. And ideally an old head because f*** me we're a young side.

Don't know if RND might get a look in. Robbie and Anel don't exactly fill me with confidence. Hopefully Souttar and Cooper will at least stem some of the set piece goals we concede.

 

[alcoblade]

Knob....is that in depth enough for you

I’d love to see you soil yourself if we ever met. Lucky for you, that won’t happen, unless you wait to make it so?

 

[100% part time blade]

It was almost a carbon copy of the goal conceded against Harrogate. JLT and his half a brain cell gets suckered in and fails to win a ball on the half way line and results in a breakaway goal.

Guys a liability and a bang average defender but because he loves a wild tackle and was our “best” player last season, he seems to have been elevated to undroppable status.

Goal was Burrows’ fault. Left his man and challenged for a high ball that centre back should be attacking.
As others have said, Burrows is a natural wing-back, rather than a full-back.
Robinson has his limitations, but I wouldn’t say he was the one who messed up for the goal.

 

[GrayBlade]

Robinson and both fullbacks was poor today. We need a new rb in, Gilchrist offers nothing going forward and has been poor defensively, even his cameo against Wrexham.

He was fine at Preston but you're going to write the kid off after coming on as sub v Wrexham and QPR? He's been at the club 2 weeks, away from his normal surroundings and settling in FFS. Do you really think we've seen what he's capable of yet, that goes for all the younger signings?

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Goal was Burrows’ fault. Left his man and challenged for a high ball that centre back should be attacking.
As others have said, Burrows is a natural wing-back, rather than a full-back.
Robinson has his limitations, but I wouldn’t say he was the one who messed up for the goal.

Spot on.
Robinson is clearly limited in his abilities, and I’d personally prefer to see Souttar in alongside Anel for the Norwich game. I don’t think their first goal would have happened with Harry on the pitch.
My understanding is that Robinson has been appointed club captain for the season. If that’s true, then I don’t understand why some people think that makes him undroppable. Billy was club captain in his last season with us, but was far from being an automatic starter. We’ve discussed the role of club captain elsewhere, so I won’t repeat it here.
Gilchrist is clearly still settling in, but he gives me some concern at right back. I thought he looked excellent vs Preston, but has looked to be struggling a bit in his last 2 games. Hence I’d keep Anel where he is, to build the relationship with Gilchrist, and put Harry alongside him on the left side - I don’t think he’s put a foot wrong so far.

 

[ancientblade]

i can see wilder abandoning the 4 at the back same as he did in his first season if anel goes and worrall comes in a back 3 of gilchrist souttar and worrall would be very strong burrows looks more comfortable as a wingback and do think seriki when fit again could solve the rwb position

 

[GrayBlade]

Goal was Burrows’ fault. Left his man and challenged for a high ball that centre back should be attacking.
As others have said, Burrows is a natural wing-back, rather than a full-back.
Robinson has his limitations, but I wouldn’t say he was the one who messed up for the goal.

Actually amongst all the 'gerrim in!' shouts, the goal was Souttar's fault as much as anybody's. Slow coming out and 2 yards behind the line so playing their runner onside. I'll put that down to his lack of game time with us, but it's amazing he's come out if it clean as a whistle when the other newbies have only played one game more.

 

[GrayBlade]

Fuck me. The bedwetters are out in force this evening.

I've still got 'Jack Robinson OLE OLE!'ringing in my ears. Or it could be tinnitus?

 

[DronnieBlade]

We be back to a 3 within weeks.

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