CONFIRMED Souza off!?

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Boothy762 said:
That is what a loan is. Borrowing money to be paid back on receipt of future income.
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That's one way of looking at it.

The other way to look at it is that we have sold our confirmed future income to be able to use it now.

Either way it's not a "I'm skint, I don't have the money, but I will pay you back over the course of x months" loan, it's a "I've won the lottery but I can't access that money for 1 year, I want that money now so the Lottery people will give you that £100m next year and you give me £95m now".
 

TheGregBlade said:
The Macquarie loans aren't as big of a thing as people are making out.

We aren't getting a "loan", we are just forfeiting some of OUR money to be able to use OUR money when we need it, not when it comes in. We aren't borrowing, we are just releasing the funds early.
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It's a high interest loan based on tand secured against he projected future income.
I've not seen or examined any accounts but I'll bet we are into the tens of millions on this.
I'll let you calculate 10% of £10 million. Not even sure of the interest rate is higher than that - it could well be.
Other clubs have board members that fund the debt at zero or low interest, since they have a wedge.
We don't have any cashflow via PA as his pot is a thimble compared to the elephant sized dick that needs a piss.
 
TheGregBlade said:
That's one way of looking at it.

The other way to look at it is that we have sold our confirmed future income to be able to use it now.

Either way it's not a "I'm skint, I don't have the money, but I will pay you back over the course of x months" loan, it's a "I've won the lottery but I can't access that money for 1 year, I want that money now so the Lottery people will give you that £100m next year and you give me £95m now".
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Wow. Never give anyone financial advice.
So, it's not at all like you need a new kitchen but you don't have the readies now but you have a job that will pay x over y years so you get a loan out to do the kitchen now and then pay for it over time, with interest?
Besides the fact that you stated a a lender subs you £95m but you pay back 100m when you have the cash - so you have a fixed interest charge of £5m in that loan.
Maybe if we printed money we could pay it off quicker?
 
Kenilworth said:
Wow. Never give anyone financial advice.
So, it's not at all like you need a new kitchen but you don't have the readies now but you have a job that will pay x over y years so you get a loan out to do the kitchen now and then pay for it over time, with interest?
Besides the fact that you stated a a lender subs you £95m but you pay back 100m when you have the cash - so you have a fixed interest charge of £5m in that loan.
Maybe if we printed money we could pay it off quicker?
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Don't be stupid man, have you never heard of a "Money Tree", it turns out, when you become a parent, your kids think you have one or 2 in the garden.
 
Kenilworth said:
Wow. Never give anyone financial advice.
So, it's not at all like you need a new kitchen but you don't have the readies now but you have a job that will pay x over y years so you get a loan out to do the kitchen now and then pay for it over time, with interest?
Besides the fact that you stated a a lender subs you £95m but you pay back 100m when you have the cash - so you have a fixed interest charge of £5m in that loan.
Maybe if we printed money we could pay it off quicker?
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Bit more on how it works here -

www.standard.co.uk

Crystal Palace land £22.5m early from Wan-Bissaka deal

Crystal Palace have secured a £22.5million boost after they sold an instalment owed on the deal which took Aaron Wan-Bissaka to Manchester United to an Australian bank in order to receive the money up front.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

If you don't fancy reading it, here is the important bit.
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BigBed said:
Don't be stupid man, have you never heard of a "Money Tree", it turns out, when you become a parent, your kids think you have one or 2 in the garden.
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Don't forget the grandkids either.
 
ekke287 said:
It’s not just his “I’m great but the team are holding me back” comments, it’s the fact that he’s also fundamentally shit. You can count his good games last season on one hand with fingers spare, and generally against poorer opposition.

He can’t pass, can’t find a player, can’t mark, blames his teammates and has the fighting spirit of a dead badger on the M1. He has one good tackle in him, and if he misses that he may as well leave the pitch as he’s given up. Players go passed him like he’s not there. He annoys his teammates and the fans alike.

Personally I don’t care who rates him, but I’ve the feeling if we weren’t so threadbare he’d be nowhere near the starting 11. We’re a stepping stone for him to greater things in his mind.

If some wants to pay for him I’d be saying off you go son, the doors that way, and in the likely event that no one does I’d be pushing him to get a loan somewhere and free up his wages.
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Fundamentally shit?
 
Really good tonight, apart from some wayward passing aside in the first half.

Absolutely bossed it otherwise.
 

One good game, now everyone can start worrying about us selling him instead of how we can't rid of him.

Amazing what a difference a few days can make isn't it. Its almost like there was nowt to worry about int first place isn't it.
 
Lowen said:
Souza was colossal away at Luton last month in a game that was very championship. Personally feel he’d be very good next year if we keep him.
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Let’s hope he’s not off anywhere, we just got a glimpse into how dominant he can be at this level.
 
He seems to be a really good character with the rest of the group, played quality tonight and at the end he was bigging everyone up. Hope we keep him, wouldn't be surprised if there was interest in him.
 
Westran said:
He seems to be a really good character with the rest of the group, played quality tonight and at the end he was bigging everyone up. Hope we keep him, wouldn't be surprised if there was interest in him.
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What a difference eh.

See what he’s like if we’re 0-2 down at home though…
 
SwissBlade said:
What a difference eh.

See what he’s like if we’re 0-2 down at home though…
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I think all this bad attitude stuff is a myth, based on the comment about playing for Brazil. Every player last season played shit in nearly every game, we were embarrassed from start to finish. As fans we could do with giving the guys who are left a fresh start. Peddling out that trope every time someone has something bad to say about him isn't going to do anyone any favours.
 
Was good to see him celebrate a tackle like a goal. That's the passion we need through out the team which we lacked last year. He was class today but so was alot of our players tonight. Hope they just get better with more time to gel. Would be some good attacking football.
 
Westran said:
I think all this bad attitude stuff is a myth, based on the comment about playing for Brazil. Every player last season played shit in nearly every game, we were embarrassed from start to finish. As fans we could do with giving the guys who are left a fresh start. Peddling out that trope every time someone has something bad to say about him isn't going to do anyone any favours.
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His attitude at times last season was absolutely terrible.

As I’ve said many times. He started poorly. Wasn’t fit and the speed of the premier league was something he took time to adjust to.

There was a player in there though and that period towards the end of Heckys reign, or there abouts, he was picking up fitness and form. That’s perhaps the time he was looking better than others around him… it was 3-5 games

After that, his form dipped, his shoulders dropped and he just seemed to be dragging other players down. Shrugging, not chasing back, giving balls away. It was very real.

Around this time, the article came out

The rest of the season he was part of the shambles where we were outclassed, outrun and out fought.
 
SwissBlade said:
His attitude at times last season was absolutely terrible.

As I’ve said many times. He started poorly. Wasn’t fit and the speed of the premier league was something he took time to adjust to.

There was a player in there though and that period towards the end of Heckys reign, or there abouts, he was picking up fitness and form. That’s perhaps the time he was looking better than others around him… it was 3-5 games

After that, his form dipped, his shoulders dropped and he just seemed to be dragging other players down. Shrugging, not chasing back, giving balls away. It was very real.

Around this time, the article came out

The rest of the season he was part of the shambles where we were outclassed, outrun and out fought.
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Started poorly? He was great against Forest and went off with cramp. Poeple keep changing their perspective of him to suit their narrative
 
Lucky1979 said:
Started poorly? He was great against Forest and went off with cramp. Poeple keep changing their perspective of him to suit their narrative
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Hmmmm people also don’t read a statement in the context. Read what I said again… but this time read the paragraph not just the bit you want to jump on…

As I said, wasn’t fit, wasn’t up to speed of the premier league… you’ve just said he went off that game with cramp… which suggests he wasn’t fit 😂😂😂😂
 

SwissBlade said:
His attitude at times last season was absolutely terrible.

As I’ve said many times. He started poorly. Wasn’t fit and the speed of the premier league was something he took time to adjust to.

There was a player in there though and that period towards the end of Heckys reign, or there abouts, he was picking up fitness and form. That’s perhaps the time he was looking better than others around him… it was 3-5 games

After that, his form dipped, his shoulders dropped and he just seemed to be dragging other players down. Shrugging, not chasing back, giving balls away. It was very real.

Around this time, the article came out

The rest of the season he was part of the shambles where we were outclassed, outrun and out fought.
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Nobody likes losing, and I find it difficult to single out Souza's performance and attitude when you could say the same of everyone on the pitch. Souza is just one of those players that people focus on. If we play bad, Souza gets blamed for having a bad attitude. I just think it's a bit of a shallow view of what happens in a team.
 
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