How many more games?

[Pennblade]

Opinion seems divided about whether or not Weir should go. I'm interested to know from those who think he should have more time, "How many more games would they give him assuming results don't significantly improve?"

 

[Deleted member 875]

I think he should be brave enough to either admit he needs to change to Plan B, as plan A is quite clearly not working, or be brave enough to admit he is out of his depth.

His radio interview on RS was breathtaking in it's arrogance yesterday, and if neither of the above happen soon he deserves the public humiliation of a car park protest.

 

[SwissBlade]

Unless there is a better option which includes replacing the whole team, then no, stick with him and let him figure it out.

We're used to sacking managers at the lane, it's like a habit, football is also in the habit of accepting this. But now we may as well keep him and hope it turns around, which I think he will.

 

[Pennblade]

Unless there is a better option which includes replacing the whole team, then no, stick with him and let him figure it out.

We're used to sacking managers at the lane, it's like a habit, football is also in the habit of accepting this. But now we may as well keep him and hope it turns around, which I think he will.

So you'd let him continue indefinitely even if the results don't improve?????

 

[sheffielder]

The only reason people want Weir to stay is because they don't want to sack another manager. I think it's wrong to keep the wrong manager and time for another transformation.

I am sure alot of us have had people working for us who interviewed well but were shit at their job.

 

[Deleted member 875]

Unless there is a better option which includes replacing the whole team, then no, stick with him and let him figure it out.

We're used to sacking managers at the lane, it's like a habit, football is also in the habit of accepting this. But now we may as well keep him and hope it turns around, which I think he will.

We could allow him the time to organically find his management level which would be great for me as I would get some new grounds in like Newport, Morecambe and Dagenham

 

[SwissBlade]

So you'd let him continue indefinitely even if the results don't improve?????

I'd give him until Xmas and possibly the season.

We've consistently gone further and further down, season after god awful season and almost every year we get a new manager.

We're like the single mother that keeps having kids with different fathers. We have to break the cycle of this. Each manager that comes in has to replace the dross served up by previous managers. Now we have McMahon, Hill, Williams, Collins, Murphy, Flynn, porter, mcginn, McGinty and the thug!

No, weir has brought that twat King in, he can bloody well stay as long as he does.

As I said on my opening line, unless there are better options, then stick with Weir and hope he turns it around

 

[SwissBlade]

The only reason people want Weir to stay is because they don't want to sack another manager. I think it's wrong to keep the wrong manager and time for another transformation.

I am sure alot of us have had people working for us who interviewed well but were shit at their job.

What's the better option though? Weir still has potential.

 

[BladeFisher]

post: 527959, member: 875"]We could allow him the time to organically find his management level which would be great for me as I would get some new grounds in like Newport, Morecambe and Dagenham

Fuck that Brownie, more like Forest Green, Gateshead and Welling. Have you got an all toc staff pass?

 

[sheffielder]

What's the better option though? Weir still has potential.

This is the thing, do you really think he has potential? I think he is getting to the point now where he is making too many mistakes. I am pretty sure if he had his time all over again he would do this completely wrong but he can't.

We don't have much more time to wait for his potential to bear fruit.

Who is the better option? Anyone at this stage, he has made a right pigs ear of it.

 

[Pennblade]

What's the better option though? Weir still has potential.

Where's the evidence for his potential?

 

[Deadbat]

I'd give him until Xmas and possibly the season.

We've consistently gone further and further down, season after god awful season and almost every year we get a new manager.

We're like the single mother that keeps having kids with different fathers. We have to break the cycle of this. Each manager that comes in has to replace the dross served up by previous managers. Now we have McMahon, Hill, Williams, Collins, Murphy, Flynn, porter, mcginn, McGinty and the thug!

No, weir has brought that twat King in, he can bloody well stay as long as he does.

As I said on my opening line, unless there are better options, then stick with Weir and hope he turns it around

...but it is McCabe that keeps picking these terrible managers.

I think if it was not for Weir saying all the right things and having no real baggage; there would have been calls for his head before even the last couple of games. His interviews and arrogance yesterday as he argued with the Radio Sheffield presenter suggests he is losing it and is probably the start of the end. The dressing room/players seem to have no belief in what he is doing. He has brought in 10 players so cannot say he has not had funds/chance to change things and the new players look devoid of belief already! Some I think could be decent but not under Weir.

The last thing I wanted was to change the manager again and it is ultimately the boards fault we have to keep doing this BUT it is not working. The results and the performances are simply unacceptable. If we carry on like this we will go down. Simple. Another relegation and the new owners will disappear into the night and we could be on the verge of going out of existence. It could be that bad.

I think just hoping he turn it around is foolish beyond belief. Everything I have seen suggest he has no idea how to turn it around. I do not see anything; no chink of light to suggest results will improve. We now have some even tougher games and if we wait another few weeks or months then it is an even bigger hole for the new manager to get us out of it.

He seemed a decent bloke and had all the sound bytes at the forums and a good playing career and well respected BUT he is out of his depth. He is using our club as his experiment in how to manage and play. People forget he was not even the coach of the u21's at Everton. He helped out! He was Stubbs no 2. He has never even managed a game before at any level. Despite this I have to say I thought it was a god appointment and was a bold move. It had not worked. We have to cut our losses and move on. I fail to see how anyone can do any worse than this.

Heard people will say we are a laughing stock if we change managers again but many other fans I have spoke to have said we have to act now and would be surprised if he was not dismiseed. Taking away all what has gone before and all this change/transition bollox, most managers in the entire football league would probably get the axe on our results/performances/goals scord; so far. Without the keeper shovelling one in v Colchester we would have lost 7 on the bounce. Indeed without the red card v Notts County we may have barely scored a goal; let alone got a point.

 

[Deadbat]

This is the thing, do you really think he has potential? I think he is getting to the point now where he is making too many mistakes. I am pretty sure if he had his time all over again he would do this completely wrong but he can't.

We don't have much more time to wait for his potential to bear fruit.

Who is the better option? Anyone at this stage, he has made a right pigs ear of it.

Totally agree. I do not see any potential. He is out of his depth, is clueless about tactics, shape, man management, systems and the basics of football. We look a disorganised, clueless mess. Sadly you could chuck in a non league journeyman manager who knows some of the above basics and we would do better.

Maybe one day he may make a good manager but he is light years away from that and he cannot use us as his experiment as we plummet down the leagues. He needs to go back to youth coaching or non league and do his apprenticeship properly. He is no different than Morgan in that regard. Whatever people felt of Wilson; at least he understood the basics of the game and has had some success.

I am gutted it has not worked but we need to make a swift decision and give us chance to salvage this wreck of a season. Bournemouth did it last year. Will we be brave enough? I would have more respect for McCabe if he came out and just said 'it has not worked, we did not want to change things but we got it wrong' and move on.

 

[SwissBlade]

This is the thing, do you really think he has potential? I think he is getting to the point now where he is making too many mistakes. I am pretty sure if he had his time all over again he would do this completely wrong but he can't.

We don't have much more time to wait for his potential to bear fruit.

Who is the better option? Anyone at this stage, he has made a right pigs ear of it.

So notts county was one example of potential. His previous coaching experience as well. But I know there are arguments against both of them.

When Weir was appointed there were few critics, when Weir made signings such as Baxter, Brandy and Cavalier, again few critics. I'm not saying that he's the next Ferguson or Mourinho and he's made some mistakes.

I really can't see any way we'd get progress by firing yet another manager.

My biggest criticism of McCabe is that he pulls the trigger and fires managers too quickly.

 

[sheffielder]

So notts county was one example of potential. His previous coaching experience as well. But I know there are arguments against both of them.

When Weir was appointed there were few critics, when Weir made signings such as Baxter, Brandy and Cavalier, again few critics. I'm not saying that he's the next Ferguson or Mourinho and he's made some mistakes.

I really can't see any way we'd get progress by firing yet another manager.

My biggest criticism of McCabe is that he pulls the trigger and fires managers too quickly.

You can't keep a manager just because you hope he will make progress. Surely you have to see signs of it working which we don't. This argument that we can't get rid of someone because we have sacked others quickly is ludicrous.

In regards to Notts County, they had 10 men after they are bottom and fucking useless. That is our only win to date.

Tell me about all the good things Weir has done so far?

 

[BladeFisher]

So notts county was one example of potential. His previous coaching experience as well. But I know there are arguments against both of them.

When Weir was appointed there were few critics, when Weir made signings such as Baxter, Brandy and Cavalier, again few critics. I'm not saying that he's the next Ferguson or Mourinho and he's made some mistakes.

I really can't see any way we'd get progress by firing yet another manager.

My biggest criticism of McCabe is that he pulls the trigger and fires managers too quickly.

Swiss we've played ten competitive games under Weir and not one forward has scored a goal!

 

[oldblade]

Swiss we've played ten competitive games under Weir and not one forward has scored a goal!

And we've won a solitary match, and that was against one of the very few teams who are still currently below us!

 

[Pennblade]

So notts county was one example of potential. His previous coaching experience as well. But I know there are arguments against both of them.

When Weir was appointed there were few critics, when Weir made signings such as Baxter, Brandy and Cavalier, again few critics. I'm not saying that he's the next Ferguson or Mourinho and he's made some mistakes.

I really can't see any way we'd get progress by firing yet another manager.

My biggest criticism of McCabe is that he pulls the trigger and fires managers too quickly.

Notts County was one example!!!

Ten Men for most of the game and they are below us in the League - is that the only evidence you have of his potential??

 

[Pennblade]

So notts county was one example of potential. His previous coaching experience as well. But I know there are arguments against both of them.

When Weir was appointed there were few critics, when Weir made signings such as Baxter, Brandy and Cavalier, again few critics. I'm not saying that he's the next Ferguson or Mourinho and he's made some mistakes.

I really can't see any way we'd get progress by firing yet another manager.

My biggest criticism of McCabe is that he pulls the trigger and fires managers too quickly.

oh - and he helped out the coach of Everton's under 21 team - I'm sorry but that isn't evidence of potential

 

[SwissBlade]

So where are all of these other options then? Reality check here but we got turned down by at least two other managers - McCall and Robinson. Most on here wouldn't entertain the thought of a motivator like Warnock so to stick with a manager that likes a patience game we either stay with Weir and hope that he turns what he and his team are doing behind the scenes into results. Or we go for someone else of his style....

Weir and Carsley apparently asked for patience when they spoke in forums and yes he is judged on his results, but he's also changing a mentality of not only a team, but of an entire club and it's fans. It was always going to be a transition season. So a higher level of patience is required.

But lets sack him, his results and performances are poor and the strikers aren't scoring. I'm not arguing with the current state.

So we sack him now, we bring this new miracle working manager in and he brings in a few loanees, gets us to Xmas, then spends the princes money. Yet things don't improve. We're then 25 games into a season and no further forward. So lets sack him as well.

We've been down this road before and personally I'd like us to break from our sacking tradition. I'm no saying it'll work, but I also don't see how sacking him will bring back the good times

 

[oldblade]

And our two cup matches have been against fourth division opposition. We managed to lose to one of those at home, and that was with the services of McDonald. The other side we drew with after 120 minutes of goalless football, and got through on penalties.

Doesn't bode well for next season when we're in the fourth division ourselves.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

My own patience is starting to wear thin and I've defended him. He needs time but it's how much time we can afford because he and the team are giving themselves a mountain to climb. A couple more defeats on the trot and you can probably write this season off as far as promotion is concerned. If we start October bottom of league (which is a strong possibility) I would have to say enough is enough and a change needs to be made.

 

[sheffielder]

So where are all of these other options then? Reality check here but we got turned down by at least two other managers - McCall and Robinson. Most on here wouldn't entertain the thought of a motivator like Warnock so to stick with a manager that likes a patience game we either stay with Weir and hope that he turns what he and his team are doing behind the scenes into results. Or we go for someone else of his style....

Weir and Carsley apparently asked for patience when they spoke in forums and yes he is judged on his results, but he's also changing a mentality of not only a team, but of an entire club and it's fans. It was always going to be a transition season. So a higher level of patience is required.

But lets sack him, his results and performances are poor and the strikers aren't scoring. I'm not arguing with the current state.

So we sack him now, we bring this new miracle working manager in and he brings in a few loanees, gets us to Xmas, then spends the princes money. Yet things don't improve. We're then 25 games into a season and no further forward. So lets sack him as well.

We've been down this road before and personally I'd like us to break from our sacking tradition. I'm no saying it'll work, but I also don't see how sacking him will bring back the good times

This is all very well and good if you can see the progress in what he is doing. Game by game we are getting worse and the worst thing is that it's the basics we are failing on.

Fitness
Shape
Closing down
Movement / finding space

We seem to play well for 30 minutes then we run out if gas and ideas. All the things listed are things that should be getting better and not worse.

There just isn't any heart in this team and it's becoming heartbreaking to watch. He has 2 games before I am camped out at the directors box begging for his removal.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Same as last week, at least until Christmas

 

[alcoblade]

A myth has built up that we are seeing some kind kind of revolution that should be afforded more time. What was Wilson doing for two seasons that needs such undoing. It's total nonsense, used as an excuse for complete lack of progress. Any middle.of the road manager would.be a step forward.

 

[alcoblade]

Same as last week, at least until Christmas

That's got to be qualified. Leaving it until Christmas without an upturn in results would.be lunacy and see us relegated.

UTB

 

[Guesty]

I agree with Swiss but for different reasons. This squad is so mind bogglingly dreadful (and horribly lop-sided to boot) that any manager would struggle. Paying one man off, getting another in (possibly paying compensation on top of his wages) and having yet another change of direction would do no-one any good. We're a lower half of the table side at best whoever the manager is.

And, as Swiss alludes too, trigger-happy hiring and firing is what got us in this mess. I hope all the Blackwell out types are proud of themselves! I'm glad when I remember I was out of the country when he was fired and so absolved of any responsibility . Anyway, when something gets you into trouble (in our case, constantly changing managers) to keep doing the same in order to get out of it is sheer folly.

 

[alcoblade]

Bloody hell, so the manager should keep his job because he's bought so much shite that nobody else could manage them either? Not bad work if you can get it.

Seriously, past decisions are not a good reason to avoid making future ones.

UTB:

 

[Guesty]

Well mostly I meant the squad Weir started with, nearly half the players seem to be rubbish Full backs, for a start! Weir's signings haven't helped but they haven't really made it worse. To be honest, I thought at the time everyone predicting promotion was deluded given the players at the manager's disposal and so it's proving, especially since the departure of McDonald. The squad, pre Weir and now, is utterly, utterly dreadful, surely the worst we've ever assembled.

 

[oldblade]

Well mostly I meant the squad Weir started with, nearly half the players seem to be rubbish Full backs, for a start! Weir's signings haven't helped but they haven't really made it worse. To be honest, I thought at the time everyone predicting promotion was deluded given the players at the manager's disposal and so it's proving, especially since the departure of McDonald. The squad, pre Weir and now, is utterly, utterly dreadful, surely the worst we've ever assembled.

Our defence has not changed from last season. It is the same back four, or back five if you include Doyle. Last season it was the second meanest defence in the division, and kept 21 clean sheets in the league. Almost half our games!

So far this season we haven't kept any clean sheets at all in the league.

The squad that Weir started with finished 5th last season and only lost 9 games.

I do not think you can get away with blaming our current predicament on the paucity of inherited players. The evidence is to the contrary.