Montgomery to Hibs

[Wilderat Heart]

No manager succeeds everywhere. It may not have been the right move for him it looks like he won't get time to sort it. Nobody seriously thought he was ready for us yet.but like Wilder when he started out he had some success so you keep an eye on him. A young manager doing well attracts attention. Saying he could end up back here will be considered Blady Blade nonsense by some but if he does well somewhere his previous experience here makes him a strong candidate because he already knows the club.

 

[derbysufc]

I follow hearts . Go up several times a year have done since mid 80s.
A few hibs up there seriously want monty out.
Hea actually put the club in a worse position than when he arrived.
Australian football ain't the same.

 

[derbysufc]

I follow hearts . Go up several times a year have done since mid 80s.
A few hibs up there seriously want monty out.
Hea actually put the club in a worse position than when he arrived.
Australian football ain't the same.

 

[derbysufc]

Sheffield jambos

 

[Wilderat Heart]

And not really on topic but limited player that he was, he would walk into our current midfield. Put him in the middle of a couple of kids like Arblaster and Brooks and we wouldn't be on 16 points. He wouldn't be standing round pointing or hiding he'd be putting some fucking tackles in.

 

[TJ blade]

Fans on BBC saying, he's out of his depth, awful appointment, well and truly found out at this level,etc, and some wanted him here

if Wilder doesn't work next season mate, I think a lot of our fans will be wanting him in here, or Neil Collins, Rob Page the fucking bladey blade thing is endless

 

[TJ blade]

No manager succeeds everywhere. It may not have been the right move for him it looks like he won't get time to sort it. Nobody seriously thought he was ready for us yet.but like Wilder when he started out he had some success so you keep an eye on him. A young manager doing well attracts attention. Saying he could end up back here will be considered Blady Blade nonsense by some but if he does well somewhere his previous experience here makes him a strong candidate because he already knows the club.

Ffs!!

 

[SwissBlade]

Fans on BBC saying, he's out of his depth, awful appointment, well and truly found out at this level,etc, and some wanted him here

Sounds like a perfect fit for us

 

[HarryHaslam]

Sacked

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Gerrim back

 

[dingledog]

Sounds like a perfect fit for us

To be fair to him and some of our supporters, a lot of them said exactly the same things when he played for us. Nothing changes. and in some peoples view he has an admirable consistency in his approach to football. I'll declare my own view on him as a player, I think he received a lot of unfair criticism from some quarters and and was a better player than some gave his credit for.

 

[Balti Pie]

Anyone who dumps Australia for Scotland wants their bumps feeling anyways!

 

[SwissBlade]

To be fair to him and some of our supporters, a lot of them said exactly the same things when he played for us. Nothing changes. and in some peoples view he has an admirable consistency in his approach to football. I'll declare my own view on him as a player, I think he received a lot of unfair criticism from some quarters and and was a better player than some gave his credit for.

I agree. He was one of the most divisive players we’ve had, but I think most agree that he worked hard and was reliable.

As you say he was consistent in his approach and this is something which transfers well into coaching and management.

I don’t think he’s the right fit for us as I think the current place we’re at is beyond his experience so it would be a risk for us and him.

But with football it’s often about timing and opportunities.

Ironically a guy that used to work for me was a Hibs fan and he said similar about Hecky. But what we saw from Hecky couldn’t have been further from the Hibs experience he had

Perhaps Monty is good advanced for Hibs

 

[steve26272]

makes him a strong candidate because he already knows the club.

This is just wrong, its like positive discrimination in the workplace, if your an Asian LGBT amputee you'll get any job to cover a quota

McKenna at Ipswich - probably never been to Ipswich before
Edwards at Luton - like most of us, previously happy to use the M1 to pass the shithole, nothing else
Emery at Villa - may have flown into BHX, and then got out of the dump asap
Maresca at Leicester - played 47 of 394 games at WBA, rest abroad

Point is, maybe someone coming in without any connection, cold unblinkered vision is better than a love in with someone cos they 'get it'

I do understand there may be a benefit, but it doesnt necessarily give you a foot up either

We just need a good manager, irrespective of connection or not

 

[dingledog]

I agree. He was one of the most divisive players we’ve had, but I think most agree that he worked hard and was reliable.

As you say he was consistent in his approach and this is something which transfers well into coaching and management.

I don’t think he’s the right fit for us as I think the current place we’re at is beyond his experience so it would be a risk for us and him.

But with football it’s often about timing and opportunities.

Ironically a guy that used to work for me was a Hibs fan and he said similar about Hecky. But what we saw from Hecky couldn’t have been further from the Hibs experience he had

Perhaps Monty is good advanced for Hibs

Well it shows how ' what I say at this moment in time is true', but two seconds later may not be, sacked as I typed the reply.

 

[bonobo]

the most depressing thing about football at the moment for me, is this constant call to sack the manager. You take a young manager from Australia, bring him to the other side of the world, you would like to assume they have done their diligence and see this as an investment for the future. Struggle in the first half season, usual 'sorry not good enough' 'out their depth'' this subistute that substitute',' I'll drive him back to wherever'. It's not going to change and you just have to accept it, buts it is absolutely miserable. Collins at Barnsley, just came across from the US, first season ( supposed to be a transitional one), in the play offs and sacked and fans are cheering. I would say what's the point, but they all get massive pay offs...

 

[JackSUFC]

Don’t worry Monty, one of the game’s greatest managers also failed at Hibs.

 

[Balham]

the most depressing thing about football at the moment for me, is this constant call to sack the manager. You take a young manager from Australia, bring him to the other side of the world, you would like to assume they have done their diligence and see this as an investment for the future. Struggle in the first half season, usual 'sorry not good enough' 'out their depth'' this subistute that substitute',' I'll drive him back to wherever'. It's not going to change and you just have to accept it, buts it is absolutely miserable. Collins at Barnsley, just came across from the US, first season ( supposed to be a transitional one), in the play offs and sacked and fans are cheering. I would say what's the point, but they all get massive pay offs...

Collins is probably blaming Harry Maguire for his sacking.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

the most depressing thing about football at the moment for me, is this constant call to sack the manager. You take a young manager from Australia, bring him to the other side of the world, you would like to assume they have done their diligence and see this as an investment for the future. Struggle in the first half season, usual 'sorry not good enough' 'out their depth'' this subistute that substitute',' I'll drive him back to wherever'. It's not going to change and you just have to accept it, buts it is absolutely miserable. Collins at Barnsley, just came across from the US, first season ( supposed to be a transitional one), in the play offs and sacked and fans are cheering. I would say what's the point, but they all get massive pay offs...

Aye
Although also need to factor in changes in ownership. Monty was appointed prior to significant investment / involvement of Foley the Bournemouth owner.
Also didn’t help that Hearts (easily) came 3rd in the league with associated (numerous) European games (& >£5 million) & they’ve only won 3 of the last 21 games v the mighty Jambo’s !!!
HHGH

 

[Wilderat Heart]

if Wilder doesn't work next season mate, I think a lot of our fans will be wanting him in here, or Neil Collins, Rob Page the fucking bladey blade thing is endless

I don't care that he was a Blade. My point is if he does well in the end somewhere else don't not give him the job just because he was a Blade. The Bladyblade thing works both ways. It shouldn't be used to criticise an appointment either way. Find a decent manager and back him. Wilder and Warnock both at least at first did a good job, both had a solid career before they got here. Bassett did in my opinion, better than both, no Blade connections at all. Don't fancy Collins much didn't rate him as a defender. Page might do a decent job doing ok if no better for Wales. Get a decent man in if Wilder goes, currently I don't see any ex player I'd want in charge. If one was out there, being an ex blade gives them an insight into the club that's all I'm saying. you want reasons not to appoint an ex player? Lampard and Solskjaer. Do we need a complete culture change? Didn't work for Jokanovic. Doesn't mean we don't, just means whatever you do back the bloke.

 

[Booker4]

Nothing against Monty other than I never particularly rated him as a player but I recall some wanted Monty as our new manager not long ago. I'd much rather Wilder who is proven, albeit his last couple of years have not been succesful but I put that down to not long ago cumstances largely (Boro the exception) rather than the likes of Rosenior and Monty. A couple of years of success or so is not enought in my view for someone to manage United, especially given we're usually skint and selling the best players is the norm! The likes of Bassett, Warnock and Wilder all had years of proven success. When we've tried up and coming I don't ever recall it working!

It doesn't mean experience always works but I'd much rather 5 - 10 years of success at a decent level than 1/2 seasons. Swansea seem to be the optimony of giving managers a chance and if I was a fan of them I'd be saying they should be cutting their teeth at Newport, not Swansea.

 

[ATL Recs]

And not really on topic but limited player that he was, he would walk into our current midfield. Put him in the middle of a couple of kids like Arblaster and Brooks and we wouldn't be on 16 points. He wouldn't be standing round pointing or hiding he'd be putting some fucking tackles in.

if he was quick enough and technically aware yes he possibly xould, otherwise he would look out of his depth- the game has moved on even from 15 years ago. Today those sort of players are plying their trade in the lower divisions -which is where Brooks should be

 

[ATL Recs]

Nothing against Monty other than I never particularly rated him as a player but I recall some wanted Monty as our new manager not long ago. I'd much rather Wilder who is proven, albeit his last couple of years have not been succesful but I put that down to not long ago cumstances largely (Boro the exception) rather than the likes of Rosenior and Monty. A couple of years of success or so is not enought in my view for someone to manage United, especially given we're usually skint and selling the best players is the norm! The likes of Bassett, Warnock and Wilder all had years of proven success. When we've tried up and coming I don't ever recall it working!

It doesn't mean experience always works but I'd much rather 5 - 10 years of success at a decent level than 1/2 seasons. Swansea seem to be the optimony of giving managers a chance and if I was a fan of them I'd be saying they should be cutting their teeth at Newport, not Swansea.

Our fanbase ( or around 50% of them ) would never have the patience to allow it to evolve and work. Remember after Southend 0-3 that Tuesday night people on here going into meltdown to get rid of Wilder. Probably th closest was Spackman who had not managed before but in his favour he did have resources and used them well -then had them taken away

 

[coaxingstar71]

I'm old school and don't like to see clubs constantly changing managers. Sometimes a club just needs stability, and to give someone the time to change the culture at a club that is in decline. It's not just about the eleven players on the pitch. But now a managers job is insecure if they lose 4 straight games.

Most clubs would probably have sacked Bassett after we were relegated at the end of his first half season, but fortunately the club backed him and two promotions later, we were in Division 1, which no one would have predicted who was going to games in 1987-88.

There was a great quote when Bassett offered his resignation to Derek Dooley and the big man told him, "We hired you to do a job, I suggest you go back to your office and get on with it".

 

[BangorBlade]

Dont think it would do any harm to get Montgomery to Bramall Lane in a coaching capacity ........just in case things go tits up with Wilder.

 

[Wilderat Heart]

I agree entirely and I'd only play Brooks if I had to. Possibly Osborn is closer to Montgomery in some ways Osborn has a better touch and more control of the football. I think our midfield has done better with Osborn in there. Not saying much I know. My point is good enough for the top league or not and I think your correct, championship would feel his level these days. He would still be a better option than we've had available. If nothing else the back4/5 would get some kind of protection.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Gerrim back

I'd have him back at the club in a coaching capacity. I think Wilder would benefit from some fresh ideas.

 

[TJ blade]

I don't care that he was a Blade. My point is if he does well in the end somewhere else don't not give him the job just because he was a Blade. The Bladyblade thing works both ways. It shouldn't be used to criticise an appointment either way. Find a decent manager and back him. Wilder and Warnock both at least at first did a good job, both had a solid career before they got here. Bassett did in my opinion, better than both, no Blade connections at all. Don't fancy Collins much didn't rate him as a defender. Page might do a decent job doing ok if no better for Wales. Get a decent man in if Wilder goes, currently I don't see any ex player I'd want in charge. If one was out there, being an ex blade gives them an insight into the club that's all I'm saying. you want reasons not to appoint an ex player? Lampard and Solskjaer. Do we need a complete culture change? Didn't work for Jokanovic. Doesn't mean we don't, just means whatever you do back the bloke.

It didn't work for slav because the twat of an owner lied to him, promised him money to change the culture of the club, and then he found out the skint prince was brassic!

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I'd have him back at the club in a coaching capacity. I think Wilder would benefit from some fresh ideas.

But why Monty’s “ fresh ideas” ?

 

[ForgeBlade]

To be fair to him and some of our supporters, a lot of them said exactly the same things when he played for us. Nothing changes. and in some peoples view he has an admirable consistency in his approach to football. I'll declare my own view on him as a player, I think he received a lot of unfair criticism from some quarters and and was a better player than some gave his credit for.

Agree. He was never the most technically gifted player, and I think he knew that. He gave his all every game he played, and despite his natural limitations he was nowhere near as bad as some make him out to be. To compare him with some of the dross we've had since is, in my opinion, very unfair on Monty.