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Last night brought home to me what I've known all along. When you're in possession, football is only truly exciting in the final third. You need to get it there quickly, with a high tempo all over the field. Preferably intelligent play, preferably on the floor - but either way get it there, and don't fanny around.

You can just feel the excitement return amongst the faithful. We may still want the beautiful game, but there's no denying;

Sheffield men like their football like they like their women. No playing around and straight into the box.

:)

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I agree and it is not about the "passing game" versus "hoofball".

No one wants to see us playing percentages from long lofted hoofs from the back four. The percentages are always low anyway even before you take into account our capability to win it and then someone else do something with it.

Equally, I don't want to see us laboriously knocking it short all the way along the half way line and then recycling it backwards. It's shit to watch.

Up the tempo and make sure the passing is intelligent and incisive in the last third.

I also want to see wingers take people on the outside and then get a good cross in eg Murphy's effort for Kitson's goal. I'm still not convinced with Murphy yet, he doesn't do it often enough.

I also have no problem with McMahon whipping it in from the touchline early as he reaches the final third.

I still think McDonald is capable of even more although he doesn't have the movement in front of him like last season.

High tempo, quick pass and move and get some crosses in and more shots please.
 
Pretty, pretty football isn't really our thing is it? Full blooded games like that, reminiscent of a derby game are what it's all about for me. I quite like being nervous during a game, rather than bored witless.
 
Last night brought home to me what I've known all along. When you're in possession, football is only truly exciting in the final third. You need to get it there quickly, with a high tempo all over the field. Preferably intelligent play, preferably on the floor - but either way get it there, and don't fanny around.

You can just feel the excitement return amongst the faithful. We may still want the beautiful game, but there's no denying;

Sheffield men like their football like they like their women. No playing around and straight into the box.

:)

UTB
I don't think Darren would agree. He'd probably prefer it passed around a bit then try and slip in round the back :eek:
 
Surely theres something to be said for the sedate waiting game when we can sit relaxed with our arms crossed , I miss it already
All that excitement malarky , tires you out
 
Surely theres something to be said for the sedate waiting game when we can sit relaxed with our arms crossed , I miss it already
All that excitement malarky , tires you out

There would have been something to be said for it in the last 10 mins last night. With an extra man we should have just pulled them from one side of the pitch to the other. Then BWP wouldn't have had the energy to make that bloody run...
 
We looked dangerous last neet,more so when murphy and flynn got there heads down and got to the by-line.
Mcdonald and robson together in the middle is a must,they are a class act and shouldnt be split up,there passing was exceptional.
Iwouldnt play doyle again.
 
Pretty, pretty football isn't really our thing is it? Full blooded games like that, reminiscent of a derby game are what it's all about for me. I quite like being nervous during a game, rather than bored witless.

No, we should tug our forelocks, eat our black pudding, walk our whippets and accept that good football is not for the likes of us. We should take pride in the lingering delight of kick and rush, elpiton and upanatem. None of your fancy passing the ball to each other round here.

Let's all recite the sacred Blackwellian oath:

Kick it High; Kick it Long; Kick it Hard.

We ❤ Hoof [Still]. I despair.
 
No, we should tug our forelocks, eat our black pudding, walk our whippets and accept that good football is not for the likes of us. We should take pride in the lingering delight of kick and rush, elpiton and upanatem. None of your fancy passing the ball to each other round here.

Let's all recite the sacred Blackwellian oath:

Kick it High; Kick it Long; Kick it Hard.

We ❤ Hoof [Still]. I despair.

Too simplistic an argument. We move the ball quickly up the pitch, take it down the wing to the byline and get crosses in. We overlap with full-backs. It's not the same style as Blackwell who played a much more rigid, controlled system.

It's like the people who ring phone ins up and complain wanting to sack a manager, but offer nothing more than he's rubbish. No appreciate of the tactical nuances just "It's hoofball Seth".

Thought a brief would be able to construct a more sophisticated argument than that Pinch. You're not personal injury are you? ;)
 
No, we should tug our forelocks, eat our black pudding, walk our whippets and accept that good football is not for the likes of us. We should take pride in the lingering delight of kick and rush, elpiton and upanatem. None of your fancy passing the ball to each other round here.

Let's all recite the sacred Blackwellian oath:

Kick it High; Kick it Long; Kick it Hard.

We ❤ Hoof [Still]. I despair.

I understand what you're saying, but I think that we have to accept that if we did develop a side of good quality players, capable of passing and moving intelligently creating opportunities for fleet footed forwards to score at will. Such a side wouldn't last five minutes, before several of the players were plundered by a richer club.

Consequently, we have to play with passion and an overriding desire to win or die trying. Lets face it, in the era of Football since the cheque book's been King, the only modicum of success we've had has been under Dave Bassett and Neil Warnock. Both of whom insisted every player gave his all for the club. That attitude does not have to go hand in hand with 'Hoofball', it's about working hard, closing down the opposition and winning the ball back, once we've done that, we can play whatever style of Football is most effective, dependent on the opposition.

I don't know about anyone else, but when I go to The Lane, that's what I want to see from my team. I want players dripping in sweat not strolling about like they couldn't care less, when I'd give my right arm for half a chance to be where they are !
 
I understand what you're saying, but I think that we have to accept that if we did develop a side of good quality players, capable of passing and moving intelligently creating opportunities for fleet footed forwards to score at will. Such a side wouldn't last five minutes, before several of the players were plundered by a richer club.

Consequently, we have to play with passion and an overriding desire to win or die trying. Lets face it, in the era of Football since the cheque book's been King, the only modicum of success we've had has been under Dave Bassett and Neil Warnock. Both of whom insisted every player gave his all for the club. That attitude does not have to go hand in hand with 'Hoofball', it's about working hard, closing down the opposition and winning the ball back, once we've done that, we can play whatever style of Football is most effective, dependent on the opposition.

I don't know about anyone else, but when I go to The Lane, that's what I want to see from my team. I want players dripping in sweat not strolling about like they couldn't care less, when I'd give my right arm for half a chance to be where they are !

But most opposition teams, even more vulnerable to predators than us, play a decent third division version of pass and move and frequently outplay us. Why?
 
Too simplistic an argument. We move the ball quickly up the pitch, take it down the wing to the byline and get crosses in. We overlap with full-backs. It's not the same style as Blackwell who played a much more rigid, controlled system.

It's like the people who ring phone ins up and complain wanting to sack a manager, but offer nothing more than he's rubbish. No appreciate of the tactical nuances just "It's hoofball Seth".

Thought a brief would be able to construct a more sophisticated argument than that Pinch. You're not personal injury are you? ;)

No, but my aesthetic senses are personally injured by hoofball.

You have read too much into my post. I nowhere said that we have played unmitigated Semi-Pro hoof in the last two games. We haven't. However, once the extra intensify and fervour instilled largely by 'new manager syndrome' subside (and rest assured, it will) what else have we to offer?

In fact, I was merely responding to the Archduke of Hoof, Alco, who would have us Gerritintbox any which way we can [Yes, he pays reluctant lip-service to proper football but makes it clear it doesn't really matter]. A sure recipe for failure, sooner rather than later.

Only Blades have this nonsensical debate. Other clubs, even Wimbledon and Watford, have been dragged into the Twentieth Century. Only in s2 do we still wallow in the grotesque glory of 'ave it' ball.

As to a more sophisticated version, well this was shorthand. I have presented the longer argument on countless occasions, most recently on 11 April, on the "Thanks Danny" thread thus:

bladesadviser said: ↑
For all the plaudits for attractive football last season and complaints of negative football this season, we are in the still in the same place as when he took over. Who cares if its attractive as long as we win, no points in this game for looking good

Here we go again with the classical nonsense so beloved of the now disgraced 'We ❤ Hoof Brigade'.

Let's go through it one more time. The teams that play proper pass and move football succeed. They are the ones that win trophies. Apart from the anomalous, wretched and never to be repeated Wimbledon/Watford era it was ever thus and will always be so.

The reason is that it's basically a simple game. Pass the ball to a team-mate and move immediately into space to receive it again. When the opposition have it, press them hard and deny them room. It works very well. This is to be contrasted with a deliberate, long, high and hard agricultural kick of the football in the general direction of the opposition goal, in the hope that the next player to touch it will be a team-mate. This is known as Hoofball. It's rubbish. It's discredited. It's as dead as a Thatcher. Good teams have worked it out. They combat and overcome it with ease. Even Crawley Town can comfortably cope with it for half an hour or so. No-one except Dinosaur Dave, Semi-Pro and a few Neanderthal SUFC fans believe in it any more.

There is no valid Attractive Football v Winning Football debate to be had. It was won and lost many years ago. It lingers only in the backwaters of Sheffield 2 where the natives remember only Brian Deane and conveniently forget Jostein Flo and Paul Williams. The sad truth for the Disciples of Hoof [Doh!] is that attractive football is also the football that wins matches and trophies. Attractive Football and Winning Football are one and the same. They are twins. The ugly Wimble sisters no longer go to the ball.

Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, to name but three, have their choice of the elite of football players. They could, were they so inclined, recruit the hardest, most aggressive, most committed, most physical, most upanatem hoofers the world has ever seen. They haven't, they don't and they won't. That really tells us all we need to know.

Let's at least move into the 21st century. We can work on the decades later.
 
Too simplistic an argument. We move the ball quickly up the pitch, take it down the wing to the byline and get crosses in. We overlap with full-backs. It's not the same style as Blackwell who played a much more rigid, controlled system.


Sounds a lot like Blackwell's first half season in charge before pragmatism took over.
 
No, we should tug our forelocks, eat our black pudding, walk our whippets and accept that good football is not for the likes of us. We should take pride in the lingering delight of kick and rush, elpiton and upanatem. None of your fancy passing the ball to each other round here.

Let's all recite the sacred Blackwellian oath:

Kick it High; Kick it Long; Kick it Hard.

We ❤ Hoof [Still]. I despair.
I think you deliberately misunderstand me. I didn't say that at all. I hate hoof. But what I hate more is twenty sideways passes, barely moving forward, then lose the ball, because odds say that you will, before the ball has crossed the halfway line. I'm not talking about us either, but have watched enough premier league football where it's been like that. Plenty of passing, not enough action. Surely you can combine the two styles, as I believe we(and they) did Tuesday night and get a far more exciting game. No forelock tugging or whippet walking here, I'm a suvverner by birth but a northener by choice. Oh and I hate black pudding too :)
 



what is "good" football

I thought winning football was always best , passsing has its moments , but I get bored at times watching even Barca, pass pass and pass again , theres place for the cut and thrust that west ham showed v man utd , I enjoyed watching Carroll harass Vidic as much as an Iniesta 30 yard curling pass, your best football is a mix of the 2,

theres no point in us being brilliant as the press would never say we were any good any how , we arent "in " with the paperazzi , never have been
 
I think you deliberately misunderstand me. I didn't say that at all. I hate hoof. But what I hate more is twenty sideways passes, barely moving forward, then lose the ball, because odds say that you will, before the ball has crossed the halfway line. I'm not talking about us either, but have watched enough premier league football where it's been like that. Plenty of passing, not enough action. Surely you can combine the two styles, as I believe we(and they) did Tuesday night and get a far more exciting game. No forelock tugging or whippet walking here, I'm a suvverner by birth but a northener by choice. Oh and I hate black pudding too :)

Yes, passing with purpose is what is required but sometimes a bit of passing along the defensive line is necessary to create space further forward. I think we have done well in the last two games but I fear the platform for our improvement has been intensity and fervour rather than quality. It is starry-eyed to think we can maintain those energy and commitment levels beyond Morgan's honeymoon period. What will we do then? Gerritintbox?

I wasn't targeting you, by the way. Yours was the most convenient post to which I could attach my diatribe, that's all. :)
 
we are due a manager who is lucky
if you cant be good be lucky ,maybe Morgans the one who gets the breaks say like a lucky deflected opening goal at wembley
 
Too simplistic an argument. We move the ball quickly up the pitch, take it down the wing to the byline and get crosses in. We overlap with full-backs. It's not the same style as Blackwell who played a much more rigid, controlled system.

It's like the people who ring phone ins up and complain wanting to sack a manager, but offer nothing more than he's rubbish. No appreciate of the tactical nuances just "It's hoofball Seth".

Thought a brief would be able to construct a more sophisticated argument than that Pinch. You're not personal injury are you? ;)


That's too complicated for our Pinch. Please use 2 factors, hoof or football. And presumably the football version is the shear joy we've experienced this season.

:)

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what is "good" football

I thought winning football was always best , passsing has its moments , but I get bored at times watching even Barca, pass pass and pass again , theres place for the cut and thrust that west ham showed v man utd , I enjoyed watching Carroll harass Vidic as much as an Iniesta 30 yard curling pass, your best football is a mix of the 2,

theres no point in us being brilliant as the press would never say we were any good any how , we arent "in " with the paperazzi , never have been

What is good football? The answer is in post 12 above. It's the way to win football matches.

Many years ago, the brilliant football team produced by John Harris briefly sat on top of the League.

Brian Moore, then hosting World of Sport, said "be sure to go and watch them if they're playing near you..."

We are the authors of our own misfortune. Years of scruffy, scrappy, scuffling 'football" has since earned us a reputation that is hard to live down. It's easy to glory in the Bassett era. Most forget that, post Deane and Agana, he hadn't a clue. His last 18 months were absolutely dreadful.
 
.It's easy to glory in the Bassett era. Most forget that, post Deane and Agana, he hadn't a clue. His last 18 months were absolutely dreadful.

I agree with this, actually. Bassett's really basic style could only be successful with 2 outstanding forwards such as Deane and Agana, and was awful when that partnership broke down.

I don't know how that opinion fits into a world where only hoof and football exist?

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Despite us being stuck with the long ball tag their was a long period of time when we were the footballing side of the city whilst the pigs stayed the Kings of Hoof under Ashurst, Charlton and Wilko. It was only when we appointed Bassett and Atkinson went to Swillsborough that the positions reversed.
 
But most opposition teams, even more vulnerable to predators than us, play a decent third division version of pass and move and frequently outplay us. Why?

Because we stood off them, backed off and didn't start to defend until they got in our final third. Or at least that's been the case prior to the last two games. Any team will out pass you if you sit back and watch them whilst they have a look round and see who's available.

In the last two games I've seen numerous opposition passes go astray and opponents caught on the ball because of our more pressing style of play when not in possession. We've played Swindon and Brentford, two of the better teams in this Division and they certainly haven't outplayed us. If you're comments refer to our performances pre Morgan, then you're pushing an open door
 
What is good football? We are the authors of our own misfortune. Years of scruffy, scrappy, scuffling 'football" has since earned us a reputation that is hard to live down. It's easy to glory in the Bassett era. Most forget that, post Deane and Agana, he hadn't a clue. His last 18 months were absolutely dreadful.

You do Bassett a disservice. His last 4 months were dreadful, but 1994-5 was a decent year. We faltered at the end, but scored lots of goals, were committed to attack (think Kevin Gage as a pioneer wing back), and lost only 1 game out of 20 at one point after a slow start.

And if you remove Brian Deane from a team, what do you expect? You can say that about half the managers in the league. Danny Wilson didn't have much of a clue after Evans got banged up, I recall.

And much as I love Tony Agana, he was injured for a good chunk of 1989-90 and most of 1990-1 and sold in early 1991-2 and Bassett seemed to do fine without him.

I'll take a 6-3 win at Luton with a bunch of so called hoofers over trying to play out time in a corner against Tranmere any day of the week.

Many years ago, the brilliant football team produced by John Harris briefly sat on top of the League.

And then its form collapsed, and we finished 10th, one place below where Bassett would finish with his scruffy, scrappy, scuffling "football" exactly 20 years later...
 
Put some pace in our team with the same ability as what we have and most teams would not cope with it
 
I agree with this, actually. Bassett's really basic style could only be successful with 2 outstanding forwards such as Deane and Agana, and was awful when that partnership broke down.


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codswallop

any teams fortunes always relies on having a couple of decent forwards

jones birchenall made the 60 s side great
rush dalglaish , cole yorke

doesnt matter what football you play , provided you have the ability to put it in the net

chelsea won the champions league being dogged and most importantly having drogba
they showed all the pretty football you can muster doesnt beat team work, not everyone is blessed with ability, so the team ethic has to carry you through
can you name any team that plays great football , honestly
man united , runaway prem champions this year , great to watch , Hell no
only got a draw at west ham due to the mandatory one eyed linesman they get
 
I agree with this, actually. Bassett's really basic style could only be successful with 2 outstanding forwards such as Deane and Agana, and was awful when that partnership broke down.

You seem not have noticed we've done less well this year when we don't have an outstanding forward. Losing good goalscorers is a problem for every team, save one filled with outstanding players.

One of the things you never hear about Swansea is that they have played that way for many years but, Lee Trundle in the lower divisions aside, never scored any goals. They went up and have done well since not solely because of their style of play but because they have found people to put the ball in the net. Before that, they were good for 1000 passes a game and 45 goals a season.
 
codswallop

any teams fortunes always relies on having a couple of decent forwards

jones birchenall made the 60 s side great
rush dalglaish , cole yorke

doesnt matter what football you play , provided you have the ability to put it in the net

chelsea won the champions league being dogged and most importantly having drogba
they showed all the pretty football you can muster doesnt beat team work, not everyone is blessed with ability, so the team ethic has to carry you through
can you name any team that plays great football , honestly
man united , runaway prem champions this year , great to watch , Hell no
only got a draw at west ham due to the mandatory one eyed linesman they get


I'd go back and read what's been written because you've missed my point.

Every team needs goals scorers, agreed. And I've no idea what the rest of your post is aimed at - I think I agree but it doesn't seem relevant.

My point is that Bassett, for me, played a most basic form of hoof that was exciting when he had two prolific forwards, but awful without. I am trying to expand Pinchy's assertion that the game can be broken into 2 simple styles - Football which will be entertaining and effective, and Hoof which will be the opposite.

We saw both succesful and dreadful hoof under bassett.

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You seem not have noticed we've done less well this year when we don't have an outstanding forward. Losing good goalscorers is a problem for every team, save one filled with outstanding players.

One of the things you never hear about Swansea is that they have played that way for many years but, Lee Trundle in the lower divisions aside, never scored any goals. They went up and have done well since not solely because of their style of play but because they have found people to put the ball in the net. Before that, they were good for 1000 passes a game and 45 goals a season.


See my post above. It seems my OP was confusing.

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