Wilder by the looks of it

[mickhep]

It makes me laugh when people prefer Colin to Wilder, they never saw us play in 2006 in the prem then.Garbage negative no style of play whatsoever, the minute Hulse broke his leg we were down.Colin sorry but no thanks.I'd give Wilder a contract until the end of the season only,Re-assess then.
Anyone that thought it was good to renew Fleck and Osborn contracts imho has got a clue.But then Wilder playing Lunwank in the last prem season hadn't got a clue either.
Utb

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

I'm no academic but I built up a business and sold for more than you could fuckin dream of ,pig.

Aye probably a children's play area so you can meet the kids you talk to online

These two have been quiet...

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

If this is true and Wilder comes back I'll not be watching any more of our games until we get a new owner.

P.s can we just ban anyone who starts another Wilder thread instead of adding to the 100 that already exist?

I’ve heard others say the same and can understand it to a degree.
Hard to see how you can have the same engagement/feeling supporting the team when you feel the manager has shat on the club.
I personally think he will be on a hiding to nothing if he comes back, any issues and the fans will hammer him and it will simply cause too much division.

Better someone new with a clean slate.

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

It makes me laugh when people prefer Colin to Wilder, they never saw us play in 2006 in the prem then.Garbage negative no style of play whatsoever, the minute Hulse broke his leg we were down.Colin sorry but no thanks.I'd give Wilder a contract until the end of the season only,Re-assess then.
Anyone that thought it was good to renew Fleck and Osborn contracts imho has got a clue.But then Wilder playing Lunwank in the last prem season hadn't got a clue either.
Utb

I don’t think it’s necessarily down to style of play that they preferred Warnock, Wilders was obviously better.
However there is a good argument to say that Warnock genuinely cared about the club and put it before his own personal interests, Wilder clearly didn’t at the end.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I’ve heard others say the same and can understand it to a degree.
Hard to see how you can have the same engagement/feeling supporting the team when you feel the manager has shat on the club.
I personally think he will be on a hiding to nothing if he comes back, any issues and the fans will hammer him and it will simply cause too much division.

Better someone new with a clean slate.

But wouldn’t that show incredibly character and fighting spirit, which is exactly what we need. Reminds me of when Gary Madine agreed to join us.

He was public enemy number 1 but quickly won the fans over. Suspect it would be the same with Wilder.

We can’t do any worse.
The problem with bringing in someone new now is he would likely be teinted for next season we fail to stay up with regular poor performances.

As mentioned earlier, morale might be so low at the end of the season that it might be better to wait until close to the end of the season so the club is given a lift regards the new season in the Championship.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I don’t think it’s necessarily down to style of play that they preferred Warnock, Wilders was obviously better.
However there is a good argument to say that Warnock genuinely cared about the club and put it before his own personal interests, Wilder clearly didn’t at the end.

Think you’re being incredibly naeve.

Not sure if you realise this but every single manager and every single player (including Billy Sharp and Kyle Walker) care more about themselves and their families much more than the club.

Also the Wilder hate makes me smile, it was covid times where everyone was mentally affected playing and working behind closed doors with zero fan interaction. We know Wilder used to enjoy unwinding by meeting his mates in the pub, all the pubs were shut with many living lives like a prisoner, no wonder he was stressed. Another point is only the Prince and Wilder know the truth, so if the Prince has kissed and made up, he’ll offer a contract protecting the club, so why can’t Blades have compassion, understanding and forgiveness?

Note: I’m not convinced about Wilder myself, it’s a risk, but I’m 99% confident he’ll do better than Hecky regards performances. Every half will be more like Wolves 2nd half. It offers advantages as he knows the players the club etc however it strikes me as possibly being short term ism, a sign of desperation but it’s nearing the stage where we are becoming desperate. We need a miracle to stay up and we’ve seen with our own eyes Wilder can perform miracles.

 

[bornablade]

Think you’re being incredibly naeve.

Not sure if you realise this but every single manager and every single player (including Billy Sharp and Kyle Walker) care more about themselves and their families much more than the club.

Also the Wilder hate makes me smile, it was covid times where everyone was mentally affected playing and working behind closed doors with zero fan interaction. We know Wilder used to enjoy unwinding by meeting his mates in the pub, all the pubs were shut with many living lives like a prisoner, no wonder he was stressed. Another point is only the Prince and Wilder know the truth, so if the Prince has kissed and made up, he’ll offer a contract protecting the club, so why can’t Blades have compassion, understanding and forgiveness?

Note: I’m not convinced about Wilder myself, it’s a risk, but I’m 99% confident he’ll do better than Hecky regards performances. Every half will be more like Wolves 2nd half. It offers advantages as he knows the players the club etc however it strikes me as possibly being short term ism, a sign of desperation but it’s nearing the stage where we are becoming desperate. We need a miracle to stay up and we’ve seen with our own eyes Wilder can perform miracles.

Well I've heard it all now.

During Covid people were unable to see their elderly relatives or attend family funerals and yet we are supposed to show some sympathy to Wilder because he must have been stressed about not been able to meet his mates in the pub.

Give me strength.

 

[drblade]

The Prince won’t get rid of Hecky, however bad it gets.

(Happy to be proven wrong)

UTB

 

[Houso]

the Wilder hate makes me smile, it was covid times where everyone was mentally affected playing and working behind closed doors with zero fan interaction. We know Wilder used to enjoy unwinding by meeting his mates in the pub, all the pubs were shut with many living lives like a prisoner, no wonder he was stressed. Another point is only the Prince and Wilder know the truth, so if the Prince has kissed and made up, he’ll offer a contract protecting the club, so why can’t Blades have compassion, understanding and forgiveness?

Wow, that's a stretch.

I still really like Chris and wouldn't actually be averse to his return.

But to blame his toys out of the pram moment on covid is bonkers. He has always fallen out with club owners and his confrontational manner is well documented.

His latter press conferences where he was ranting about "lefties", "snowflakes" and "do gooders" lost him a huge amount of credit with me, but no more than the abject performance on the pitch.

I've seen some say this season is their lowest ebb as a Blade. They have short memories if they cannot remember how utterly dogshit and hopeless that last half season under Wilder was.

That HRH has supposedly buried the hatchet is to his credit as I would find it very difficult to do so.

 

[S64 Blade]

Well I've heard it all now.

During Covid people were unable to see their elderly relatives or attend family funerals and yet we are supposed to show some sympathy to Wilder because he must have been stressed about not been able to meet his mates in the pub.

Give me strength.

Wilder was also unable to see his elderly relatives and attend funerals, unless I’m missing something.

 

[HeySethUTB]

At least until the covid season, I knew what we were trying to do on the pitch. With Hecky it seems like the good old tactic of yesteryear “pass it to Ndiaye” has been preceded by lump it up and see what happens.

I can no longer see a Luton side that on paper doesn’t have the same level of player win playing a combative running style of play, while we just lump and scrap.

 

[Harry's Game]

I don’t think it’s necessarily down to style of play that they preferred Warnock, Wilders was obviously better.
However there is a good argument to say that Warnock genuinely cared about the club and put it before his own personal interests, Wilder clearly didn’t at the end.

I am not shilling for Wilder as I think it would be a mistake for Him and us to come back.. but if you think Warnock cares about anything other than Neil Warnock you are deluded.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

If Hecky goes now then whoever comes in needs to be a stop gap until someone is permanently employed in the summer. Wilder. Warnock. Whoever. We're going down no matter who is in charge, so if Hecky is replaced now it needs to be a short term appointment with a view to improve performances and seeing us at least go down with a fight. If the board accepted that we'd go down at the start of the season then I can see why they might stick by Hecky and aren't judging him in results. It's the performances and lack of tactics that's disturbing. We just get the same shitfest every game and Hecky seems content with it, especially if he's told his job's safe as he's not being judged on results. My worry would be next summer when the team still have all the confidence zapped from them. If they go behind in the first match of the Championship then the "oh no, not again" mentality will kick in and results will suffer. Hecky clearly isn't doing anything from the way he sets up every match and from his lack of tactical changes during matches. I'm not convinced he could motivate a fly to eat shit.

Next summer the majority of players are out of contract so if we let most walk, which we should do anyway, then we don't enter pre-season and a new season with the losers mentality and lack of confidence of this season. There will be some money to spend as we've barely spent anything and our wage bill is the lowest in the division and players will have clauses about pay cuts on relegation.

A new manager will have a clean break. A new squad. A new formation and new tactics. Ironically it'll be like when Wilder took over. On day one he released something like 11 players and transfer listed others. He made some shrewd signings and good signings from free agents. The ghost of Adkins was left behind. Sharp and Basham remained. Coutts and Freeman were transfer listed but both stayed and fought and ended up key players.

A new manager now could carry this season's woes into next season and we and they don't need that.

I'd take Warnock back until the end of the season as we'd look organised and up for it.

 

[Kizmet]

look at derby since their worst ever premier league team
no amount of money has turned that round and we dont have any of that anyway
i started supporting the club when we were in div 4 and i really dont want to see us back there

 

[SUFCinks]

Anytime i read a post with either warnock and wilder mentioned, as either short or long term options, I instantly realise why we are such a shit club. We must have the least ambitious fans in the country. Do we not want to compete in the prem or can we only cope with ever being an honest, gritty cliche kick and run northern team.

Wilder & Warnock will both set us backwards, not forward. Yes there might be a slight improvement in results but we will still go down making these options pointless. We might be more difficult to beat but we won’t be entertaining. We definitely won’t be a cultured team that plays front foot football. They are just 2 angry men who will happily throw their demoralised players under the bus while they continue to get battered each week but will likely be defensively more organised. We won’t play with freedom or creativity.

We may as well use this opportunity to get a manager who will build a footballing culture for us to return to the prem next year or the year after with a chance of competing. It might not click until near the end of the season but next season we can hit the ground running as players have had a chance to understand their new roles and some actual progressive tactics.

 

[ATL Recs]

Anytime i read a post with either warnock and wilder mentioned, as either short or long term options, I instantly realise why we are such a shit club. We must have the least ambitious fans in the country. Do we not want to compete in the prem or can we only cope with ever being an honest, gritty cliche kick and run northern team.

Wilder & Warnock will both set us backwards, not forward. Yes there might be a slight improvement in results but we will still go down making these options pointless. We might be more difficult to beat but we won’t be entertaining. We definitely won’t be a cultured team that plays front foot football. They are just 2 angry men who will happily throw their demoralised players under the bus while they continue to get battered each week but will likely be defensively more organised. We won’t play with freedom or creativity.

We may as well use this opportunity to get a manager who will build a footballing culture for us to return to the prem next year or the year after with a chance of competing. It might not click until near the end of the season but next season we can hit the ground running as players have had a chance to understand their new roles and some actual progressive tactics.

A beautiful post well said sir

 

[BouncinBlade]

Think you’re being incredibly naeve.

Not sure if you realise this but every single manager and every single player (including Billy Sharp and Kyle Walker) care more about themselves and their families much more than the club.

Also the Wilder hate makes me smile, it was covid times where everyone was mentally affected playing and working behind closed doors with zero fan interaction. We know Wilder used to enjoy unwinding by meeting his mates in the pub, all the pubs were shut with many living lives like a prisoner, no wonder he was stressed. Another point is only the Prince and Wilder know the truth, so if the Prince has kissed and made up, he’ll offer a contract protecting the club, so why can’t Blades have compassion, understanding and forgiveness?

Note: I’m not convinced about Wilder myself, it’s a risk, but I’m 99% confident he’ll do better than Hecky regards performances. Every half will be more like Wolves 2nd half. It offers advantages as he knows the players the club etc however it strikes me as possibly being short term ism, a sign of desperation but it’s nearing the stage where we are becoming desperate. We need a miracle to stay up and we’ve seen with our own eyes Wilder can perform miracles.

Agree! However how can it be a risk on a one or two year deal

 

[Sheffsteel]

Well I've heard it all now.

During Covid people were unable to see their elderly relatives or attend family funerals and yet we are supposed to show some sympathy to Wilder because he must have been stressed about not been able to meet his mates in the pub.

Give me strength.

Can understand where you're coming from but people should try to open their mind and show compassion.....restrictions affect people in different ways. Some are fine and don't see how anyone else could be affected so much where as others felt suicidal.

I personally know someone who was restricted from going to the pub and he went into severe depression.

My point was more about how the covid period made people behave in very strange ways....
not saying it's right but that's the reality of the situation.....some have still not recovered.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Anytime i read a post with either warnock and wilder mentioned, as either short or long term options, I instantly realise why we are such a shit club. We must have the least ambitious fans in the country. Do we not want to compete in the prem or can we only cope with ever being an honest, gritty cliche kick and run northern team.

Wilder & Warnock will both set us backwards, not forward. Yes there might be a slight improvement in results but we will still go down making these options pointless. We might be more difficult to beat but we won’t be entertaining. We definitely won’t be a cultured team that plays front foot football. They are just 2 angry men who will happily throw their demoralised players under the bus while they continue to get battered each week but will likely be defensively more organised. We won’t play with freedom or creativity.

We may as well use this opportunity to get a manager who will build a footballing culture for us to return to the prem next year or the year after with a chance of competing. It might not click until near the end of the season but next season we can hit the ground running as players have had a chance to understand their new roles and some actual progressive tactics.

Respectfully disagree. Nobody is going to build a footballing culture with this squad. We tried it with Slav and realised the squad wasn't able for it and we didn't have to money to fix it. We panicked and went for the steady appointment of heckingbottom. An angry man could be the best we could hope for in the short term untill next season when hopefully we can start building something different.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Anytime i read a post with either warnock and wilder mentioned, as either short or long term options, I instantly realise why we are such a shit club. We must have the least ambitious fans in the country. Do we not want to compete in the prem or can we only cope with ever being an honest, gritty cliche kick and run northern team.

Wilder & Warnock will both set us backwards, not forward. Yes there might be a slight improvement in results but we will still go down making these options pointless. We might be more difficult to beat but we won’t be entertaining. We definitely won’t be a cultured team that plays front foot football. They are just 2 angry men who will happily throw their demoralised players under the bus while they continue to get battered each week but will likely be defensively more organised. We won’t play with freedom or creativity.

We may as well use this opportunity to get a manager who will build a footballing culture for us to return to the prem next year or the year after with a chance of competing. It might not click until near the end of the season but next season we can hit the ground running as players have had a chance to understand their new roles and some actual progressive tactics.

Absolutely nail on the head !

 

[Sheffsteel]

Agree! However how can it be a risk on a one or two year deal

I'd say the risk with Wilder is more about......think he'll smash a few heads together....drop certain players
He'll be keen to show the players "who is the boss", this could make or break the players.

At the moment people tend to like Hecky and it's not turned toxic yet.
Where as I don't think Wilder will be offered the normal honey moon period and some Blades will be hoping he fails.
So if he starts badly, then it could turn toxic.

However to be honest, I'll 99% confident we'll be more positive, have a positive gameplan showing more effect and desire under Wilder.

Agree the ideal situation is to offer Wilder a contract under the end of the season.
You would expect Wilder to be desperate, his stock his low and his only options now are probably league 1.
We can offer him a chance of redemption, a chance to return to the big time in the PL.
Wilder will be like a wounded animal and massively motivated as this would be his "last chance saloon".

You would think Wilder might accept a 6 month contract with a massive staying up bonus.
Realistically we might have to offer him 18 months, so he has a chance to go for a promotion push in the Championship.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Just try to open your mind and show compassion.....restrictions affect people in different ways.
Some are fine and don't see how anyone else could be affected so much where as others felt suicidal.

I personally know someone who was restricted from going to the pub and he went into severe depression.

My point was more about how the covid period made people behave in very strange ways....
not saying it's right but that's the reality of the situation.....some have still not recovered.

I don't know how much can be attributed to COVID but I think it was evident Wilder was struggling. One of the reasons I don't hold anything against him, as bad as we felt losing week in week out imagine being in charge of it and being a blade. Having so many personal links with the club including family and friends was probably great when times were good but must have been some weight during that season. All logic said take the relegation and come back up together, I think it was just too much.

 

[1987]

I'm not sure Wilder is quite the footballing dinosaur he's getting pegged as. I think him and AK, could be the solution.

I'd be significantly more confident of a promotion from the champ with them at the helm than the current crew, I wouldn't be disappointed at all if he came back.

I do also see the other view of something completely different, but as we saw with Slav, it comes with risks attached. Benefit this time would be a "soft launch" letting players get used to the new tactics and way of playing for half a season before we get to champ.

Constant here is that we need to make a change, either option likely an upgrade both short and longer term.

 

[UddersBlade]

Absolutely pointless trying to attract a manager to build anything right now given that the owner has no money to invest on any type of rebuild/new culture. What decent up & coming manager would come here right now. Chances are we will struggle to get to 20 pts with this squad whoever the manager. Sadly with 14 players also out of contract - I still don’t think the Prince will allow much money to be spent next summer. He simply cannot afford to fund either a Premier League or Championship club…….

He has well & truly messed up now & should have sold in April just after promotion.

That is all why I think he will keep Hecky regardless of results as it is the cheapest option until the summer.

 

[Grappler]

I was having a pint with a Leeds supporting mate of mine a few weeks ago, and he asked "would you take Bielsa, as manager, if the opportunity came up?".

Interesting thought.

My pal was gutted when they got rid of him.

 

[Tazzy]

If the prince is thinking about replacing hecky maybe give it wilder till the end of the season and see where we are then

 

[Carlton Blade]

But wouldn’t that show incredibly character and fighting spirit, which is exactly what we need. Reminds me of when Gary Madine agreed to join us.

He was public enemy number 1 but quickly won the fans over. Suspect it would be the same with Wilder.

We can’t do any worse.
The problem with bringing in someone new now is he would likely be teinted for next season we fail to stay up with regular poor performances.

As mentioned earlier, morale might be so low at the end of the season that it might be better to wait until close to the end of the season so the club is given a lift regards the new season in the Championship.

Hmm. I'm not sure it shows anything other than Wilder doesn't give a shit about what the fans think

 

[Sheffsteel]

I don't know how much can be attributed to COVID but I think it was evident Wilder was struggling. One of the reasons I don't hold anything against him, as bad as we felt losing week in week out imagine being in charge of it and being a blade. Having so many personal links with the club including family and friends was probably great when times were good but must have been some weight during that season. All logic said take the relegation and come back up together, I think it was just too much.

Excellent point, also I think Wilder is emotional, passionate, a winner who doesn't accept a drop in standards and he can't stand losing.
His teams could be playing away to Real Madrid and he'll still be setting out to win and will feel angry if his team doesn't give 100%.

Have the passion is a double edged sword.
When Wilder is winning, he oozes confidence and I think it effects all the people and players around him
when Wilder is losing, he takes it personal, prone to anger, tries even harder becoming even more determined.

When Wilder was manager non performances were very rare.
Can remember one performance, the 0-4 defeat away at Leicester, where we were terrible, lacking effort and ideas.
Think that was Wilder's last match. It was a very impressive spell, the best spell of matches/ performances I've seen in over 50 years.

However you would expect Wilder will have learnt so much from his spell here and the experiences at Middlesboro and Watford.
It's often said manager learn more from their failures than their successes, so he should now be a better manager than in his 1st spell.

 

[Bladethebrian]

Doing nothing is the biggest risk

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I agree with the sentiment of not going back to old failed managers for the long term. But until the end of the season I have no problem. Win, lose or draw, so long as we look organised and at least try to have a go at teams then I'd have no problem with Wilder or Warnock until the summer, then get a full time replacement in. They both know the club and what fans expect from the players, which we're not getting now. That's not lack of ambition bringing in an old manager to improve performances on our way down. Keeping Hecky could do damage for next season in the Championship. Bringing in a new manager now could also do damage for next season in the Championship.

Genuinely, what is so wrong with bringing them in just until the end of the season? The only way I can see those having a problem is those who bizarrely think that bringing in a new manager might keep us up.

I don't care about staying up. It's not going to happen. Pep and Jurgen together couldn't keep us up, but we'd be more organised, we'd perform better and do the basics right, and that's all I want to see until we're inevitably relegated. I want to see something that resembles a football team that knows what it's doing regardless of results. Hecky needs to go because of this, but I'd rather someone short term came in to see out the season and try to steady the ship on the way down. Wait until next summer for a new manager, but don't leave it as long as we did with Slav, as we ended up with no pre-season and no signings as a result.