Vinicius Souza

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I'll be honest I don't understand why Souza seems to be getting more flack than the rest.

I like a lot of what I see in him. He brings a physicality that we've not had in midfield for a long time, he's fiery and aggressive and has shown good technique when striking from distance. He's very limited/safe with his passing but he's often composed on the ball and at least finds a man and allows us to keep possession (something that we've been desperately bad at). He's not quick but if Norwood is the other option then that's hardly a problem. He's also still young and this is a big step up from where he was playing before, I don't think he's looked a million miles away from something workable. If he's tasked as being the anchor in our midfield and he's able to play safe passes to more mobile and creative players around him I think he gives us a good foothold in the midfield battle.

I'd really like to see him alongside Hamer in a midfield 2. I don't think Norwood has been atrocious but I don't think the balance of him + Souza works and I feel like Hamer could be better as our playmaker from deep and has the legs to cover for Souza if he gets turned. He's often been the one cutting out an opposition counter anyway.

It was out of fashion for a while but lots of teams are going back to a more traditional 4-4-2 shape especially when pressing/defending and I think if we could shape our squad into something workable such as:

Wes
Baldock - Anel - Robinson - Trusty
McAtee - Souza - Hamer - Archer
Osula - McBurnie

  • Baldock & Robinson have to play (solid, set standards, aggresive)
  • Anel has been poor but I believe in his quality and think he can step up
  • Would like to see Trusty as our verison of a Burn/Colwill/Kelly type. Thomas is ok but doesn't really excel at anything. I think we'd be bettter served moving to 4atb and fitting in another attacker.
  • Hamer + Souza IMO would be our most balanced midfield 2. Gives us a chance to match other sides physicality in midfield.
  • McAtee and Archer need to play. Two of our only players with real moments of quality/spark in attack. Would be interested in trying Archer as a wide-forward type that you see so much of in the premier league. Has the speed to cause problems and has shown he can finish but can struggle to find space/get on the ball when things are congested in the middle.
  • Osula. Always brings energy and makes things happen. Hasn't shown an end product yet but makes his presence known and I think he'll look more composed if he can get a couple. Think he'd work well playing off McBurnie and leading our press.
  • McBurnie one of the few who has been a consistent performer, our only proper outlet

Ultimately our squad is lacking quality compared to other premier league sides but I don't think we're as bad as we've looked so far. To me the simplest way to close that gap is physicality and organisation. If we want to have any hope of being competitive we also have to improve our ball retention, so many times where there's a simple ball on and we try to force it instead and give it straight to them. It puts us under so much pressure and our shape ends up being pulled all over the place as we're constantly in transition
 
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I'll be honest I don't understand why Souza seems to be getting more flack than the rest.

I like a lot of what I see in him. He brings a physicality that we've not had in midfield for a long time, he's fiery and aggressive and has shown good technique when striking from distance. He's very limited/safe with his passing but he's often composed on the ball and at least finds a man and allows us to keep possession (something that we've been desperately bad at). He's not quick but if Norwood is the other option then that's hardly a problem. He's also still young and this is a big step up from where he was playing before, I don't think he's looked a million miles away from something workable. If he's tasked as being the anchor in our midfield and he's able to play safe passes to more mobile and creative players around him I think he gives us a good foothold in the midfield battle.

I'd really like to see him alongside Hamer in a midfield 2. I don't think Norwood has been atrocious but I don't think the balance of him + Souza works and I feel like Hamer could be better as our playmaker from deep and has the legs to cover for Souza if he gets turned. He's often been the one cutting out an opposition counter anyway.

It was out of fashion for a while but lots of teams are going back to a more traditional 4-4-2 shape especially when pressing/defending and I think if we could shape our squad into something workable such as:

Wes
Baldock - Anel - Robinson - Trusty
McAtee - Souza - Hamer - Archer
Osula - McBurnie
my choice
Wes
Baldock - Anel - Robinson - Trusty
Osula - Souza - Hamer -McAtee
Archer - McBurnie
 
I could be wrong here, but didn't someone point out on another thread that that stat only for tackles attempted, and for tackles won he was way down the list?

Correct he doesn't even appear on the list for opta 'true tackles' which measure against fouls given, times run past and tackles made but doesn't regain possession (eg ball still ends up with opposition)

Like I said on the other thread it's kinda like saying Wes is amazing because he saves alot of shots when in reality it just means we allow alot of shots against us.
 
I'll be honest I don't understand why Souza seems to be getting more flack than the rest.

I like a lot of what I see in him. He brings a physicality that we've not had in midfield for a long time, he's fiery and aggressive and has shown good technique when striking from distance. He's very limited/safe with his passing but he's often composed on the ball and at least finds a man and allows us to keep possession (something that we've been desperately bad at). He's not quick but if Norwood is the other option then that's hardly a problem. He's also still young and this is a big step up from where he was playing before, I don't think he's looked a million miles away from something workable. If he's tasked as being the anchor in our midfield and he's able to play safe passes to more mobile and creative players around him I think he gives us a good foothold in the midfield battle.

I'd really like to see him alongside Hamer in a midfield 2. I don't think Norwood has been atrocious but I don't think the balance of him + Souza works and I feel like Hamer could be better as our playmaker from deep and has the legs to cover for Souza if he gets turned. He's often been the one cutting out an opposition counter anyway.

It was out of fashion for a while but lots of teams are going back to a more traditional 4-4-2 shape especially when pressing/defending and I think if we could shape our squad into something workable such as:

Wes
Baldock - Anel - Robinson - Trusty
McAtee - Souza - Hamer - Archer
Osula - McBurnie

  • Baldock & Robinson have to play (solid, set standards, aggresive)
  • Anel has been poor but I believe in his quality and think he can step up
  • Would like to see Trusty as our verison of a Burn/Colwill/Kelly type. Thomas is ok but doesn't really excel at anything. I think we'd be bettter served moving to 4atb and fitting in another attacker.
  • Hamer + Souza IMO would be our most balanced midfield 2. Gives us a chance to match other sides physicality in midfield.
  • McAtee and Archer need to play. Two of our only players with real moments of quality/spark in attack. Would be interested in trying Archer as a wide-forward type that you see so much of in the premier league. Has the speed to cause problems and has shown he can finish but can struggle to find space/get on the ball when things are congested in the middle.
  • Osula. Always brings energy and makes things happen. Hasn't shown an end product yet but makes his presence known and I think he'll look more composed if he can get a couple. Think he'd work well playing off McBurnie and leading our press.
  • McBurnie one of the few who has been a consistent performer, our only proper outlet

Ultimately our squad is lacking quality compared to other premier league sides but I don't think we're as bad as we've looked so far. To me the simplest way to close that gap is physicality and organisation. If we want to have any hope of being competitive we also have to improve our ball retention, so many times where there's a simple ball on and we try to force it instead and give it straight to them. It puts us under so much pressure and our shape ends up being pulled all over the place as we're constantly in transition

Do found it bizarre that anyone sees anything in him at all mate. All our big money signings look way off and he’s the worst of them by a country mile. I don’t even think he’s got the athleticism or desire for the Championship.
 
Do found it bizarre that anyone sees anything in him at all mate. All our big money signings look way off and he’s the worst of them by a country mile. I don’t even think he’s got the athleticism or desire for the Championship.
Trusty hasn't looked way off IMO and neither has Souza. Traore has been far worse than Souza also
 
I'll be honest I don't understand why Souza seems to be getting more flack than the rest.

I like a lot of what I see in him. He brings a physicality that we've not had in midfield for a long time, he's fiery and aggressive and has shown good technique when striking from distance. He's very limited/safe with his passing but he's often composed on the ball and at least finds a man and allows us to keep possession (something that we've been desperately bad at). He's not quick but if Norwood is the other option then that's hardly a problem. He's also still young and this is a big step up from where he was playing before, I don't think he's looked a million miles away from something workable. If he's tasked as being the anchor in our midfield and he's able to play safe passes to more mobile and creative players around him I think he gives us a good foothold in the midfield battle.

I'd really like to see him alongside Hamer in a midfield 2. I don't think Norwood has been atrocious but I don't think the balance of him + Souza works and I feel like Hamer could be better as our playmaker from deep and has the legs to cover for Souza if he gets turned. He's often been the one cutting out an opposition counter anyway.

It was out of fashion for a while but lots of teams are going back to a more traditional 4-4-2 shape especially when pressing/defending and I think if we could shape our squad into something workable such as:

Wes
Baldock - Anel - Robinson - Trusty
McAtee - Souza - Hamer - Archer
Osula - McBurnie

  • Baldock & Robinson have to play (solid, set standards, aggresive)
  • Anel has been poor but I believe in his quality and think he can step up
  • Would like to see Trusty as our verison of a Burn/Colwill/Kelly type. Thomas is ok but doesn't really excel at anything. I think we'd be bettter served moving to 4atb and fitting in another attacker.
  • Hamer + Souza IMO would be our most balanced midfield 2. Gives us a chance to match other sides physicality in midfield.
  • McAtee and Archer need to play. Two of our only players with real moments of quality/spark in attack. Would be interested in trying Archer as a wide-forward type that you see so much of in the premier league. Has the speed to cause problems and has shown he can finish but can struggle to find space/get on the ball when things are congested in the middle.
  • Osula. Always brings energy and makes things happen. Hasn't shown an end product yet but makes his presence known and I think he'll look more composed if he can get a couple. Think he'd work well playing off McBurnie and leading our press.
  • McBurnie one of the few who has been a consistent performer, our only proper outlet

Ultimately our squad is lacking quality compared to other premier league sides but I don't think we're as bad as we've looked so far. To me the simplest way to close that gap is physicality and organisation. If we want to have any hope of being competitive we also have to improve our ball retention, so many times where there's a simple ball on and we try to force it instead and give it straight to them. It puts us under so much pressure and our shape ends up being pulled all over the place as we're constantly in transition
Our squad lacks a manager that has some tactical nouse, likes to play on the front foot and likes to play players in their correct positions
 
Trusty hasn't looked way off IMO and neither has Souza. Traore has been far worse than Souza also

I’ve just watched highlights of the first goal - Souza is just stood miles from goal not moving as their midfield breaks through the middle. He literally doesn’t fucking move. He’s a defensive midfielder! 🤪
 
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I’ve just watched highlights of the first goal - Souza is just stood miles from goal not moving as their middle breaks through the middle. He literally doesn’t fucking move. He’s a defensive midfielder! 🤪
1st goal is Thomas slipping as he goes to challenge Semenyo allowing him to cut in,
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Hamer leaving space and allowing his man to run off the back of him,
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Trusty getting pushed in the back by Solanke when trying to cover allowing Tavernier to easily cut in
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and Robinson stopping to try and play Solanke off when the ball goes to Tavernier so he's not there to pressure him as he shoots.
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Souza drops in for Thomas and covers the man out wide, if your take away is to heap blame on Souza I don't know what to say
 
Souza was still stood in that stop like a plum when the goal was scored. He might not have been at fault but he hardly covered himself in glory.
 
Souza was still stood in that stop like a plum when the goal was scored. He might not have been at fault but he hardly covered himself in glory.
Might as well slate Norwood, McAtee, Thomas, Bogle, Baldock and Archer as well cos they all do the same
 
He's stood still about twenty yards away though for some reason.
Because it's not his problem to deal with. He's covering the man out wide.
That goal is 4 vs 5/6 + Wes. We have the numbers advantage and could have dealt with it, if Hamer is positioned better that pass can't be made.
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Souza has nothing to do with it
 
To me he’s been poor but better than Norwood this season and as far I was concerned they were meant to be battling for the same position. If you give me a choice if the 2 it’s definitely Souza even though I’m not a massive fan but Norwood is honestly an embarrassment in this league.
 

Trusty hasn't looked way off IMO and neither has Souza. Traore has been far worse than Souza also
No one - absolutely no one - has looked worse than than one of the worst footballers ever to put on a Utd shirt .

I would love Souza to be good - he isn't - Baldock in particular was going crackers at him today .
 
No one - absolutely no one - has looked worse than than one of the worst footballers ever to put on a Utd shirt .

I would love Souza to be good - he isn't - Baldock in particular was going crackers at him today .
You can only be one of the worst to put on the shirt if you actually put it on. Traore/Slimane don't even do that which I think says enough
 
You can only be one of the worst to put on the shirt if you actually put it on. Traore doesn't even do that which I think says enough
Traore has looked better in two and half games than this waste of space has all season .

Why did Hecky pull him at half time ?
 
He is dreadful. A human wardrobe put into a midfield with a human traffic cone and Brazilian/Dutch lad who revelled in a defensive midfield last season!

12 games in and Heckenbauer still permits with the same 3 in the same formation that provides as much protection to the defence as a chocolate fireguard!
 
Good pointer though. Does more pointing than the Pointer Sisters and a Bricklayer combined. And pointing always looks better when your wearing gloves, the soft bag of shite.
 
Do found it bizarre that anyone sees anything in him at all mate. All our big money signings look way off and he’s the worst of them by a country mile. I don’t even think he’s got the athleticism or desire for the Championship.
I'm at a loss what anybody sees in him as well, I've been watching the blades for near on 60 years and I've seen loads of shit players and and unless I'm starting losing it this souza is in the top ten of the worst fucking players I've seen pull on a striped shirt and for £10/£12 million the twat who gave the go ahead to sign him wants his arse kicking all the way down Shoreham street!!
 
No one - absolutely no one - has looked worse than than one of the worst footballers ever to put on a Utd shirt .

I would love Souza to be good - he isn't - Baldock in particular was going crackers at him today .
Is he worse than Norwood?
 
He's stood still about twenty yards away though for some reason.

He followed his man wide and his man stayed wide. Would you prefer him to just randomly chase their players in the middle and leave his man free?

I’ve just watched the reply back of their first goal based on Rodley comment and I honestly can’t see where either of you are coming from.
 
I'll be honest I don't understand why Souza seems to be getting more flack than the rest.

I like a lot of what I see in him. He brings a physicality that we've not had in midfield for a long time, he's fiery and aggressive and has shown good technique when striking from distance. He's very limited/safe with his passing but he's often composed on the ball and at least finds a man and allows us to keep possession (something that we've been desperately bad at). He's not quick but if Norwood is the other option then that's hardly a problem. He's also still young and this is a big step up from where he was playing before, I don't think he's looked a million miles away from something workable. If he's tasked as being the anchor in our midfield and he's able to play safe passes to more mobile and creative players around him I think he gives us a good foothold in the midfield battle.

I'd really like to see him alongside Hamer in a midfield 2. I don't think Norwood has been atrocious but I don't think the balance of him + Souza works and I feel like Hamer could be better as our playmaker from deep and has the legs to cover for Souza if he gets turned. He's often been the one cutting out an opposition counter anyway.

It was out of fashion for a while but lots of teams are going back to a more traditional 4-4-2 shape especially when pressing/defending and I think if we could shape our squad into something workable such as:

Wes
Baldock - Anel - Robinson - Trusty
McAtee - Souza - Hamer - Archer
Osula - McBurnie

  • Baldock & Robinson have to play (solid, set standards, aggresive)
  • Anel has been poor but I believe in his quality and think he can step up
  • Would like to see Trusty as our verison of a Burn/Colwill/Kelly type. Thomas is ok but doesn't really excel at anything. I think we'd be bettter served moving to 4atb and fitting in another attacker.
  • Hamer + Souza IMO would be our most balanced midfield 2. Gives us a chance to match other sides physicality in midfield.
  • McAtee and Archer need to play. Two of our only players with real moments of quality/spark in attack. Would be interested in trying Archer as a wide-forward type that you see so much of in the premier league. Has the speed to cause problems and has shown he can finish but can struggle to find space/get on the ball when things are congested in the middle.
  • Osula. Always brings energy and makes things happen. Hasn't shown an end product yet but makes his presence known and I think he'll look more composed if he can get a couple. Think he'd work well playing off McBurnie and leading our press.
  • McBurnie one of the few who has been a consistent performer, our only proper outlet

Ultimately our squad is lacking quality compared to other premier league sides but I don't think we're as bad as we've looked so far. To me the simplest way to close that gap is physicality and organisation. If we want to have any hope of being competitive we also have to improve our ball retention, so many times where there's a simple ball on and we try to force it instead and give it straight to them. It puts us under so much pressure and our shape ends up being pulled all over the place as we're constantly in transition
He's shit
 
Is he worse than Norwood?
Worse than Norwood???

WTF ....Norwood is nowhere near the standard he used to be but even today he showed much much more than this guy .

Suza is truly awful - why did Hecky pull Suza - an £11m signing , a young , supposed athletic enforcer - rather than Norwood ?

FFS - Suza was the worst player on the pitch by a country mile
 
Worse than Norwood???

WTF ....Norwood is nowhere near the standard he used to be but even today he showed much much more than this guy .

Suza is truly awful - why did Hecky pull Suza - an £11m signing , a young , supposed athletic enforcer - rather than Norwood ?

FFS - Suza was the worst player on the pitch by a country mile
The same Hecky you want sacked? Is his decision making suddenly flawless now?
 
New member Wizard has convinced me. Vini is fucking ace and his transfer value needs defending (hi Vini) for his agent.

Why do Hibs fans need convincing of anything regarding United?

Did anyone say Vini’ is ace?
 

Worse than Norwood???

WTF ....Norwood is nowhere near the standard he used to be but even today he showed much much more than this guy .

Suza is truly awful - why did Hecky pull Suza - an £11m signing , a young , supposed athletic enforcer - rather than Norwood ?

FFS - Suza was the worst player on the pitch by a country mile
Funny that cause I though they were both shit but I honestly thought Norwood was worst player on the pitch to me he offers nothing in this league at least Souza has the odd tackle.
 

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