Cheerio Hecky

[1889]

Some United fans would apparently be ok with their missus if they walked in from work and found her in bed with the window cleaner because if they booted her out, they wouldn't have their tea cooked for them for rest of the week, and the windows would be dirtier than normal next week. In their minds, whilst not great, it's better to keep things as they are rather than change things....as after all... it could be worse ...and who could they possibly get who would be better than their current missus...

Ridiculous really.

Yeah and some would be happy to take back the wife who’d walked out and left them and the kids a couple of years ago, when things got rough for some bloke up north and has been through another couple of broken relationships since him…..you couldn’t make it up, could ya

 

[chesblade]

Are Burnley after letting company go, they have only got 3 points more than us. They have had several players sent off this season and hardly any injuries compared to us yet we are desperate to get rid of hecky

 

[bornablade]

I doubt the Kompany is getting this type of criticism on the Burnley forums.

Hecky almost from the start of the season has been under the microscope from fans on here and the majority of pundits. It's almost Harry Maguire levels.

He's criticised for the injuries and yet Wilder gets a free card when his second season disaster in the Premier league was partly down to bad luck of losing just one player - JOC. (That might have happened on the training ground but let's ignore that and concentrate on Hecky's injury record at Barnsley).

The overlapping centre backs / wing backs were 'found out' and Wilder apparently didn't know how to deal with it. Hecky introduced a ball playing Senegalese kid that helped change our style.

If Wilder had had his way Illiman would probably be still at Chesterfield now.

 

[biggiesablade]

Shite show

 

[HarryHaslam]

Yeah and some would be happy to take back the wife who’d walked out and left them and the kids a couple of years ago, when things got rough for some bloke up north and has been through another couple of broken relationships since him…..you couldn’t make it up, could ya

Then the old tart realises the grass isn’t always greener and she realises what she had was the best thing ever and it’s where her home is, she comes back and does everything she possibly can to make it work because that’s where she knows her heart and love really is.

Personally I’d boot her in the fanny but I’d have Wilder back.

 

[S64 Blade]

Are Burnley after letting company go, they have only got 3 points more than us. They have had several players sent off this season and hardly any injuries compared to us yet we are desperate to get rid of hecky

3 points more, but 4 times as many.

I don’t think we’d be wanting Hecky to go if we were on 4.

 

[Champagneblade]

Really pressed on Norwood and our wing backs who then couldn't get over the half way line oh, and losing JOC

I’d say with a fit JOC, nobody figured us out. At pandemic, we had a game in hand and were 2 points off the CL spots if we won it:

 

[CPB]

I doubt the Kompany is getting this type of criticism on the Burnley forums.

Hecky almost from the start of the season has been under the microscope from fans on here and the majority of pundits. It's almost Harry Maguire levels.

He's criticised for the injuries and yet Wilder gets a free card when his second season disaster in the Premier league was partly down to bad luck of losing just one player - JOC. (That might have happened on the training ground but let's ignore that and concentrate on Hecky's injury record at Barnsley).

The overlapping centre backs / wing backs were 'found out' and Wilder apparently didn't know how to deal with it. Hecky introduced a ball playing Senegalese kid that helped change our style.

If Wilder had had his way Illiman would probably be still at Chesterfield now.

I don't think it's anything close to Harry Maguire levels of criticism.
In fact I think he still has alot of support but many including myself are wondering about a change given we haven't won at all yet. And the play hasn't been great.

If you ask me our 2nd season under Wilder had many contributing factors. JOC being one but too many seemed less fit that 2nd season and I do wonder if the club worked them too much during COVID downtimes? Fleck hasn't been the same since, Stevens dropped off too. Then McBurnie and Mousett were keeping themselves unfit. (big credit to hecky there for sorting them out)

We are currently always going to rely on outcompete and putting in high effort levels in this division to win and it dropped off massive that 2nd season.

I think the Iliman situation was more complicated. After all he had his debut vs. Leicester and then never played again until he signed his deal before the P'Boro game. I reckon the contract situation may have been the bigger part here...

 

[Revolution]

I think the Iliman situation was more complicated. After all he had his debut vs. Leicester and then never played again until he signed his deal before the P'Boro game. I reckon the contract situation may have been the bigger part here...

It was.

I have learned recently about how United handle the signing of professional contracts by academy players. I think Ndiaye resisted the usual approach. If so, good for him.

 

[Gimli]

I’d say with a fit JOC, nobody figured us out. At pandemic, we had a game in hand and were 2 points off the CL spots if we won it:

Look at the GA column

25 in 28 - we’ve probably conceded that many already this season!

 

[Torrix1889]

Look at the GA column

25 in 28 - we’ve probably conceded that many already this season!

Not quite but probably after Saturday....

 

[Pintor75]

The club needs to move on and stop this longing for everything comforting about the past ffs.

New manager, new outlook, when they’re not dead there is talent in this squad we had Wilder who did great things and then faded quickly once he was sussed out, Hecky just rehashed wilders tactics and now what? Wilder again to try attempt what he failed at last time? Somethings just have a shelf life and when it’s done it’s done.

I swear a massive % of our fans go to bed with a semi on over the thought of Wilder as manager, Warnock DOF, Sharp assistant and Jagielka as defensive coach.

Prince just plays up to it too, tried Slav and instead of backing him listened to the over lapping CB crowd because he knows it buys him some favour.

Jags would be back playing under Wilder

 

[LBA_Blade]

6 months for #Warnock for me ... he would get us to 13 points ... get the Tv cameras in as well, be great to hear him giving them a rollocking ... then get Mark Robbins in

Netflix deal/Prime special - Might even get a Sean Bean cameo to Warnock a Bastard when we get relegated

 

[Davalon]

Are Burnley after letting company go, they have only got 3 points more than us. They have had several players sent off this season and hardly any injuries compared to us yet we are desperate to get rid of hecky

And they've spent much more with their squad valued at about 100 million more.

I know people will say they don't care about others which is understandable of course, but it does make you laugh how people with a higher standing in the game get more of a pass from nearly everyone.

 

[BettingBlade]

I doubt the Kompany is getting this type of criticism on the Burnley forums.

Hecky almost from the start of the season has been under the microscope from fans on here and the majority of pundits. It's almost Harry Maguire levels.

He's criticised for the injuries and yet Wilder gets a free card when his second season disaster in the Premier league was partly down to bad luck of losing just one player - JOC. (That might have happened on the training ground but let's ignore that and concentrate on Hecky's injury record at Barnsley).

The overlapping centre backs / wing backs were 'found out' and Wilder apparently didn't know how to deal with it. Hecky introduced a ball playing Senegalese kid that helped change our style.

If Wilder had had his way Illiman would probably be still at Chesterfield now.

Wilder obviously gets a pass on injuries because for the 4 years he and his team were here we had one of the best injury records in recent memory.

We were consistently one of the fittest teams in the division and even at Premier League level we were as good as if not better than most teams.

Hecky had managed us in three separate seasons and the squad has been decimated on each occasion. Thats not bad luck, somewhere along the line our strength and conditioning team are fucking up big time.

 

[Laney Blade]

Not what I’ve heard.

But let’s stick to the point about you reading the accounts. The dealings with United World/associated businesses are declared so you either haven’t read them or don’t understand them.

£100m from United World? £100m towards how many years? Where’s the rest of the money come from to pay the bills?

The Prince hasn’t claimed he’s spent his own money? Who has funded the share issues then? There’s this thing called double entry book-keeping which often goes with joined up thinking. You seem to be devoid of understanding either. Your dislike of the owner is making you look very silly with your ill informed comments.

 

[ATL Recs]

I don't think it's anything close to Harry Maguire levels of criticism.
In fact I think he still has alot of support but many including myself are wondering about a change given we haven't won at all yet. And the play hasn't been great.

If you ask me our 2nd season under Wilder had many contributing factors. JOC being one but too many seemed less fit that 2nd season and I do wonder if the club worked them too much during COVID downtimes? Fleck hasn't been the same since, Stevens dropped off too. Then McBurnie and Mousett were keeping themselves unfit. (big credit to hecky there for sorting them out)

We are currently always going to rely on outcompete and putting in high effort levels in this division to win and it dropped off massive that 2nd season.

I think the Iliman situation was more complicated. After all he had his debut vs. Leicester and then never played again until he signed his deal before the P'Boro game. I reckon the contract situation may have been the bigger part here... it’s Barnsley Leeds and the Scottish Club Hibs I believe

It’s Barnsley Leeds and Hibs In his few months at Leeds lost 7 to soft tissue injuries and I believe 11 at Hibs Most soft tissue

 

[ATL Recs]

I’d say with a fit JOC, nobody figured us out. At pandemic, we had a game in hand and were 2 points off the CL spots if we won it:

Losing JOC was major but pre pandemic performances had dropped ( results holding up ..just) but we had started to huff n puff a bit

 

[LBA_Blade]

United under Hecky.

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United under Wilder.

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Although my user name is "not a usual" I set-up this account to replace my old one when I forgot my e-mail address password. But this is for me gets my vote for post of the century - If you could put the black death in their somewhere to represent Covid?

 

[brownblade]

And it often works. We are in the league we are in now because firing and hiring can work.

Two very recent and relevant examples. Firing Adkins - Hiring Wilder… Firing Jokanovic - Hiring Heckingbottom

Both firings brought us huge success. When it is not working anymore you have to fire it’s as simple as that, no room for sentiment or feelings when it comes to the number 1 job at the club.

I think you've cherry picked there, to be honest!

 

[Champagneblade]

Losing JOC was major but pre pandemic performances had dropped ( results holding up ..just) but we had started to huff n puff a bit

From 5th of Jan, including the cup, we were on a run, up to and including Norwich that read:
P10 W7 D2 L1

Loss was against City.

Give me some of that huff and puff!

 

[HarryHaslam]

I think you've cherry picked there, to be honest!

Not really, our two most recent successful managers instantly come to mind when thinking about if firing and hiring works, hardly cherry picking and shows in Sheffield Uniteds most recent history it has worked.

At this stage it’s just blind loyalty to Hecky that folk are happy to watch the absolute garbage we are seeing, become a laughing stock with a record points total instead of saying yeah let’s be honest he’s out of his depth and let’s get someone else in to see what they can do, baffling to me. Each to their own though as we all think we are right with our opinion, that’s all it is an opinion

 

[brownblade]

Not really, our two most recent successful managers instantly come to mind when thinking about if firing and hiring works, hardly cherry picking and shows in Sheffield Uniteds most recent history it has worked.

At this stage it’s just blind loyalty to Hecky that folk are happy to watch the absolute garbage we are seeing, become a laughing stock with a record points total instead of saying yeah let’s be honest he’s out of his depth and let’s get someone else in to see what they can do, baffling to me. Each to their own though as we all think we are right with our opinion, that’s all it is an opinion

But Hecky isn't fielding teams that match up on paper with anyone elses. Remotely. I fail to see why he's so clearly to blame.

Regarding hiring and firing, how many managers won a promotion with us and how many didn't? i.e. There'll be many more failed hires than successful hires.

 

[ekke287]

United under Hecky.

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United under Wilder.

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Cool story bro.

Just missing a “I wouldn’t want you in the trenches with me” to make it a 10/10.

I can’t see someone in that second picture sneaking out of the back door with a shit load of money, can you?

 

[SB_90]

i will say this about hecky. that the next 4 games after arsenal, their is nowhere to hide Wolves Bournemouth & Burnley all massive games with 2 at home & if we play at our best we can get at least 4 points. but if we sack him after arsenal that just odd because we might as well have sacked after Fulham. which is the only disappointing result so far

Crystal Palace & Forest, we all know we were woefully under prepared, we were as prepared on 2nd august as we were 2nd September. we could be level with Bournemouth & Burnley

Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle all the champions league, & you hope for a point but you don't expect it start of the season

Tottenham away - top of the league

West Ham away - won a European Trophy & in the europa league

so out of the 2 realistic fixtures we had to get results we played great in 1 & terrible in another

 

[Freethinker]

i will say this about hecky. that the next 4 games after arsenal, their is nowhere to hide Wolves Bournemouth & Burnley all massive games with 2 at home & if we play at our best we can get at least 4 points. but if we sack him after arsenal that just odd because we might as well have sacked after Fulham. which is the only disappointing result so far

Crystal Palace & Forest, we all know we were woefully under prepared, we were as prepared on 2nd august as we were 2nd September. we could be level with Bournemouth & Burnley

Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle all the champions league, & you hope for a point but you don't expect it start of the season

Tottenham away - top of the league

West Ham away - won a European Trophy & in the europa league

so out of the 2 realistic fixtures we had to get results we played great in 1 & terrible in another

We haven't played great in any games this season.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

It was.

I have learned recently about how United handle the signing of professional contracts by academy players. I think Ndiaye resisted the usual approach. If so, good for him.

Are we underhand usually at dealing with them?

 

[HarryHaslam]

But Hecky isn't fielding teams that match up on paper with anyone elses. Remotely. I fail to see why he's so clearly to blame.

Regarding hiring and firing, how many managers won a promotion with us and how many didn't? i.e. There'll be many more failed hires than successful hires.

He should be able to compete with the other three teams at the bottom, they are at least giving it a go, Luton are not thinking they are down they are thinking let’s finish 4th bottom by having a real go at it, something which we are failing to do. People can blame whatever they like but how he set his teams up, tactics, in game management etc has been poor imo, we can finish 4th bottom im sure of it and with these players, but we can’t with Hecky. Honestly I’d take anyone at this stage because it’s so poor, even someone till the end of the season, it might work it might not work but one things for certain it’s not working as it is.

Obviously statistically there will be more managers that don’t achieve success. But in our very recent history which is why it’s relevant we have achieved massive amount of success by firing when it’s not working. Not sure why Hecky is any different, done well for us, nice bloke but it’s time he went imo.

 

[diode_blade]

With all that's gone on during the summer, even before PH was put in charge it's been a cluster ferk esp off the pitch, and esp during COVID, not using that as an excuse.
Somewhere along that route, from the club and fans being all together, the club seems to have self imploded behind the scenes on the management side of the club, I don't mean the footy pitch side
PH is now in a no win situation (no pun intended), I really feel for him, ok some of his team selection and tactics should be questioned.
I can imagine from some of my own experiences at work when things are not going well the amount of stress and possibly depression he could be going through

 

[TJ blade]

With all this optimism about Wolves, Bournemouth, Burnley, who the fucks going to score the goals!!