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Darren said:
But he would still have denied him bail, given that a custodial sentence was inevitable.
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If that's the case why weren't Pryce and huhne locked up prior to sentencing?

I'm playing devil's advocate here though. It's ridiculous to suggest that united would have played someone convicted of rape, the day after the conviction. The club would have been ridiculed by the press, and it would have been the worst PR move possible in the circumstances.
 
Highbury_Blade said:
If that's the case why weren't Pryce and huhne locked up prior to sentencing?

I'm playing devil's advocate here though. It's ridiculous to suggest that united would have played someone convicted of rape, the day after the conviction. The club would have been ridiculed by the press, and it would have been the worst PR move possible in the circumstances.
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Good point. I think there was always a slim chance CH and VP could have got non-custodial or suspended (maybe 5% chance). With Ched there was absolutely no chance of anything except custody.
 
Russ said:
I remember a penultimate game in 1990 vs Blackburn away. Went to that, saw Paul Wood in the chip shop after.
The score - Nil nil....
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see disappointing 0-0 are nothing new , even in promotion seasons

was in what was a shed then at Ewood that night , how we didnt win Ill never know , battered em
we went up with 82 points that season, losing 4 at home
 
BornOnShoreham said:
Really?

I was joking of course but I didn't know there were occasions whereby judges can't suspend a sentence. Not that I actually think he should have done.
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At the time Ched was sentenced, the longest term that could be suspended was 12 months. Since then the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012 has extended that to two years.

It would be an affront to justice and common sense if really long gaol terms could be suspended, wouldn't it?
 
blade too long said:
see disappointing 0-0 are nothing new , even in promotion seasons

was in what was a shed then at Ewood that night , how we didnt win Ill never know , battered em
we went up with 82 points that season, losing 4 at home
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I remember Billy Whitehurst missed with a far post header from about 5 yards in the last minute.
 
Pinchy said:
At the time Ched was sentenced, the longest term that could be suspended was 12 months. Since then the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012 has extended that to two years.

It would be an affront to justice and common sense if really long gaol terms could be suspended, wouldn't it?
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True
 
Pinchy said:
At the time Ched was sentenced, the longest term that could be suspended was 12 months. Since then the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012 has extended that to two years.

It would be an affront to justice and common sense if really long gaol terms could be suspended, wouldn't it?
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Yeah, but we'd have been promoted...... :eek:
 
Highbury_Blade said:
Yeah, but we'd have been promoted...... :eek:
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Interesting point. Say by some miracle Ched had got a suspended sentence and as a convicted (but free) rapist had been able to play at MKD, should we have played him?

Edit: I suspect in that unlikely scenario Ched would have still been protesting his innocence and said he was going to appeal and United would have played him and put out some weasel words about not prejudging the legal process.
 
Darren said:
Interesting point. Say by some miracle Ched had got a suspended sentence and as a convicted (but free) rapist had been able to play at MKD, should we have played him?
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See my earlier post re: the pryce case. It would have been phenomenally bad PR by the club.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't read your post properly. If he had a suspended sentence, then i would have expected the club to suspend him from duty as as our own internal punishment.
 
Darren said:
But when it's not in our own hands (cf Exeter last season, Palace 2009), we still don't win.

In fact, we never win. Ever.
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And you, who was full of "We never throw it away from this position" last Season too!
 



"We have never thrown it away from this position" would have been the way to phrase it, less prone to hubris I'd have said. Basically what I'm saying is is that it's all your fault.
 
Guesty said:
"We have never thrown it away from this position" would have been the way to phrase it, less prone to hubris I'd have said. Basically what I'm saying is is that it's all your fault.
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You'll have to find me the exact quote, but as I recall I was responding to the doom and gllom merchants who said "we always mess it up", by pointing out that it was only the play offs we always messed up and that, previously when we had been in pole position in the automatic promotion stakes in the last month we had always been promoted.

I should have said "past performance is no gurantess of future performance".
 
To be honest I can't remember what it is exactly you said, I was trusting you to not remember either! I just seem to recall your line of arguing being that we would be fine as we never have cocked up that sort of position before.
 
Darren said:
Tell us more. How did we cock that one up?
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To quote Denis Clarebrough:
"United still led the table by early March and fought to the bitter end but they couldn't break down Southampton's stubborn defence in the final game and missed out on promotion on goal average."
 
On the morning of United's last game, the top of division 2 looked like this (2 points for a win)

Aston Villa P 41 Pts 55
Sheffield United P41 Pts 53
Manchester United P40 pts 51
Coventry City P40 pts 51

Top 2 promoted, remember. Our goal average (no goal difference then) was worse than Man Utds and Coventry's by a large margin.

That Saturday, Man Utd lost 1-0 at West Ham, and Coventry lost 3-1 at Plymouth...and we lost 2-1 at Southampton, when a draw would have seen us promoted.

The following Saturday, Man Utd were at home to Bury, and Coventry were at Stockport, both needing to win to pass us. Coventry drew 1-1 - but Man Utd won 2-0, consigning us to 3rd place for the 2nd time in 3 years.

We went up the following year, pipping the Pigs by a point.
 
Revolution said:
On the morning of United's last game, the top of division 2 looked like this (2 points for a win)

Aston Villa P 41 Pts 55
Sheffield United P41 Pts 53
Manchester United P40 pts 51
Coventry City P40 pts 51

Top 2 promoted and 2 points for a win, remember. Our goal average (no goal difference then) was worse than Man Utds and Coventry's by a large margin.

That Saturday, Man Utd lost 1-0 at West Ham, and Coventry lost 3-1 at Plymouth...and we lost 2-1 at Southampton, when a draw would have seen us promoted.

The following Saturday, Man Utd were at home to Bury, and Coventry were at Stockport, both needing to win to pass us. Coventry drew 1-1 - but Man Utd won 2-0, consigning us to 3rd place for the 2nd time in 3 years.

We went up the following year, pipping the Pigs by a point.
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I see. That probably beats last season. I don't suppose Southampton scored in the 90th minute did they?
 
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