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I loved seeing that tackle go in.
Hard & fair. Feet on the ground, sort of.
No malice - won the ball fair & square then inevitable contact afterwards as he was quicker into the tackle than their player.
For me (and others above) that’s what football should be like.
Sadly, it seems it’s not how the lawmakers & officials want it to be in the Prem.
Gordon (as good as he was) chucked himself about several times when there was no/minimal contact & they wave play on. No warning. No card. No nothing.
Their mountain of a centre-half bumped into Hamer & went down like he’d been hit by a bus. Stop the game to check he’s OK.
So they’re encouraging that sort of behaviour & discouraging an honest tackle like Robbo’s.
It’s not how I enjoy my football.
 
GodricBlade said:
I loved seeing that tackle go in.
Hard & fair. Feet on the ground, sort of.
No malice - won the ball fair & square then inevitable contact afterwards as he was quicker into the tackle than their player.
For me (and others above) that’s what football should be like.
Sadly, it seems it’s not how the lawmakers & officials want it to be in the Prem.
Gordon (as good as he was) chucked himself about several times when there was no/minimal contact & they wave play on. No warning. No card. No nothing.
Their mountain of a centre-half bumped into Hamer & went down like he’d been hit by a bus. Stop the game to check he’s OK.
So they’re encouraging that sort of behaviour & discouraging an honest tackle like Robbo’s.
It’s not how I enjoy my football.
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I think it was Longstaff who went down, just before Robbo’s ‘reducer’ on him, holding his face because Hamer stood near him. He’s a shithouse. Shame because otherwise I thought he looked a really good player who is a unit and doesn’t need to do shit like that. I think they got a foul but if he’s been elbowed like he claimed Hamer should have been booked at least, but he wasn’t, because he didn’t do anything they just got a foul for him going down.

I also have an issue because it looked like trippier moved the free kick to a better position for him to whip a better ball in. Was that just me? I haven’t really watched any highlights back to check because I can’t face it.
 
At one point there was the ludicrous sight of one of their Goliath-like defenders falling to the floor in supposed agony because Traore backed into him. It looked as ridiculous as it sounds ,like King Kong being felled by Stuart Little.
 
Robinson could have played the second ball without diving in. Had he done that, Longstaff's momentum would have taken him into Robinson getting us a free kick and probably Longstaff into the book. As it was, Robinson decided to take his frustration out on Longstaff and was booked himself. Not his brightest moment, compounded by us deciding to switch off AGAIN at the following set piece.
 
Balham Blade said:
Robinson could have played the second ball without diving in. Had he done that, Longstaff's momentum would have taken him into Robinson getting us a free kick and probably Longstaff into the book. As it was, Robinson decided to take his frustration out on Longstaff and was booked himself. Not his brightest moment, compounded by us deciding to switch off AGAIN at the following set piece.
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I for one am happy he left one on Longstaff. He wanted to pretend to be injured for most of the match and Robbo just made sure he had something to cry about.

 
Addison said:
FA Law 12

SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

JLT was penalised under the excessive force rule. Whether we like it or not his tackle yesterday was deemed to be excessive force. It doesn't matter whether he got the ball or not his follow through upended the bar code who clearly exaggerated the impact in true Eddie Howe style. Excessive force is usually a sending off offence so in that respect JLT escaped a red card probably because he was not off the ground although the rules are vague as usual and refer to a lunge which clearly it wasn't.

I don't agree with the wording of the rule as it is vague as any tackle where a player rolls around line a dying swan can be considered to be excessive. Yet we have to accept the rules are the rules and in that respect it was a tackle that shouldn't have been made as it led to a goal being conceded.
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But how do you define excessive force.

Officials have never played the game and therefore don’t understand it.

The ball was there to be won and to do that Robinson had to move at a certain speed. Maybe he should have done it in slow motion to be on the safe side.

Bent
 
Digs blade said:
But how do you define excessive force.

Officials have never played the game and therefore don’t understand it.

The ball was there to be won and to do that Robinson had to move at a certain speed. Maybe he should have done it in slow motion to be on the safe side.

Bent
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Everything looks worse in slow motion. Would have been a definite red.
 
It couldn’t be a clearer foul and yellow card in todays game. It wasn’t a red, I think, because he keeps his follow through low and isn’t showing his studs, if he were I’d expect it would have been a red.

As others have pointed out, Robinson knows this and knew he was taking a big risk when he lunged in with as much force as he did. You cannot do that and it was reckless, thankfully he didn’t see a red but we did concede from it so he has to take blame.
 

I guarantee everyone saying "won the ball" or "game's gone" or words to that effect would equally have been demanding at least a yellow if Burn did the same to Archer
 
Bladesman said:
I for one am happy he left one on Longstaff. He wanted to pretend to be injured for most of the match and Robbo just made sure he had something to cry about.

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If we'd not conceded two in quick succession he'd not have left one on Longstaff, a decision which directly led to the third. Ifs, buts and maybes; Robinson should have known what would happen in the PL when he dived in for a ball he could have played normally.
 
jt64 said:
I guarantee everyone saying "won the ball" or "game's gone" or words to that effect would equally have been demanding at least a yellow if Burn did the same to Archer
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Nail, head. It was a foul and probably a yellow card, he knew exactly what he was doing and fancied topping someone. He probably did it 20 times last season and got away with it, but won't in the Prem.
 
Tbh it might’ve worked out better if he’d been sent off. We’d likely have tried to keep it a lot tighter with ten men.

0-2 down at that point with ten men, going after a win would’ve been ludicrous, take the loss and move on.
 
Balham Blade said:
If we'd not conceded two in quick succession he'd not have left one on Longstaff, a decision which directly led to the third. Ifs, buts and maybes; Robinson should have known what would happen in the PL when he dived in for a ball he could have played normally.
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We can argue until the cows come home on this one but I don’t see how he could have played the ball normally (whatever that means )

To make sure that he got to the ball first he had to slide in. He took the ball cleanly and there was no aggressive movement into Longstaff. Longstaff actually ran into Robinson.

I guarantee if that’s in the penalty area and it’s a goalkeeper sliding in on an attacker with his feet and winning the ball then it’s no penalty and no yellow card , in fact I’d go further and say they’d probably give the free kick to the goalie

Yes we need to defend the free kick better but if the correct decision is made then there’s no free kick to defend
 
Digs blade said:
We can argue until the cows come home on this one but I don’t see how he could have played the ball normally (whatever that means )

To make sure that he got to the ball first he had to slide in. He took the ball cleanly and there was no aggressive movement into Longstaff. Longstaff actually ran into Robinson.

I guarantee if that’s in the penalty area and it’s a goalkeeper sliding in on an attacker with his feet and winning the ball then it’s no penalty and no yellow card , in fact I’d go further and say they’d probably give the free kick to the goalie

Yes we need to defend the free kick better but if the correct decision is made then there’s no free kick to defend
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I’ve not watched the replay but it was a free kick and yellow due to leading using both feet even though for me it was a great tackle and he got all the ball
 
I feared that Robinson would get a red but for me was only time ref saw sense. Can’t argue with yellow - I hate this league how often players go down though with next to no contact to get a free kick.
Exception watching Anel trying to wrestle Dan Burn - if he hadn’t scored then it was a defo penalty and another yellow card for Anel (can’t remember if his actual yellow was before or after this though)
 
I've watched the tackle about five or six times and in my view Robinson doesn't follow through, he wins the ball first, Longstaff fails to stop running into Robinson as much as Robinson's momentum can't stop him from the rest of his body from taking out Longstaff but as I say only because Longstaff runs into Robinson as much as vice versa. I don't think Robinson used unnecessary force either, I think it is play because Robbo wins the ball cleanly, but if there is a foul then I would seriously say it was on Robinson. I'm not just saying this either as a United fan, Robbo can feel very hard done by in my view. We're getting a very rough time from the officials in my view.
 
Addison said:
FA Law 12

SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

JLT was penalised under the excessive force rule. Whether we like it or not his tackle yesterday was deemed to be excessive force. It doesn't matter whether he got the ball or not his follow through upended the bar code who clearly exaggerated the impact in true Eddie Howe style. Excessive force is usually a sending off offence so in that respect JLT escaped a red card probably because he was not off the ground although the rules are vague as usual and refer to a lunge which clearly it wasn't.

I don't agree with the wording of the rule as it is vague as any tackle where a player rolls around line a dying swan can be considered to be excessive. Yet we have to accept the rules are the rules and in that respect it was a tackle that shouldn't have been made as it led to a goal being conceded.
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It wasn’t a tackle which I would define as taking the ball from an opponent who had possession of it. The kid hadn’t got the ball and had no way he was going to get to it before JLT. It may be described as a challenge in which case he used sufficient force to get to the ball first fairly. Excessive is now defined by the result which is that an inferior opponent is too late to the ball and is stupid enough to continue the challenge he is going to lose and gets upended. The fact that the kid gets upended is down to his stupidity or acting ability, not the legitimate challenge.
 
For me, JLT is using justifiable force. He's trying to clear it properly so he doesn't gift it back to them. It's not reckless - he gets the ball first, doesn't have his stud up, and hasn't exaggerated his follow through. I'm not sure what he's meant to do to avoid contact apart from just wave Longstaff through.
 
BrisBlade said:
For me, JLT is using justifiable force. He's trying to clear it properly so he doesn't gift it back to them. It's not reckless - he gets the ball first, doesn't have his stud up, and hasn't exaggerated his follow through. I'm not sure what he's meant to do to avoid contact apart from just wave Longstaff through.
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Although that makes perfect sense, it will not convince the club/player bashers and slashers I'm afraid 👊
 
Digs blade said:
But how do you define excessive force.

Officials have never played the game and therefore don’t understand it.

The ball was there to be won and to do that Robinson had to move at a certain speed. Maybe he should have done it in slow motion to be on the safe side.

Bent
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Don’t see how he lunged at an opponent when he cleanly took the ball and his trailing leg and Longstaff’s leading leg are the ones that collided.

Where we have to be smart is Robbo should have rolled around after the collision. It’s obvious where the ball went so there would have been every chance Longstaff would have been the one penalised. He was late and got nowhere near the ball.

We’re simply too honest for our own good.
 
Champagneblade said:
Don’t see how he lunged at an opponent when he cleanly took the ball and his trailing leg and Longstaff’s leading leg are the ones that collided.

Where we have to be smart is Robbo should have rolled around after the collision. It’s obvious where the ball went so there would have been every chance Longstaff would have been the one penalised. He was late and got nowhere near the ball.

We’re simply too honest for our own good.
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It's a pity that the footage originally shared has been pulled. My recollection is that Robinson's penultimate movement (putting his right foot down) was shorter as he slowed to make sure that his connection with the ball was on the stretch. He meant to clatter Longstaff and he made sure that he did so straight after getting the ball. Like it or not, he showed little regard for Longstaff and under the refereeing guidance that's reckless conduct and is punishable with a yellow card.

I said it in my first post on this subject and I stand by it: my impression is that he could have continued at the speed he was going before lunging in. Robinson is nails, Longstaff is soft; he'd have still won the collision and would probably have got us a free kick.
 

All about opinions and we can’t all agree so I respect your opinion however would be interested in your response to my earlier post saying if it was in the penalty area and the goalie had attacked the bill in the same fashion as Robinson. Let’s say for arguments sake the attacker was McBurnie.

Do you think the outcome would have been a yellow card to the goalie and s penslty or do you think the decision would have gone the goalies way and mcburnie would have got booked
 
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