23/24 season kit thread

[Dougie]

. These - third kit, home GK kit, third GK kit are woefully template, beyond belief.

They aren’t templates though, are they?

 

[Bristol Blade]

First impressions, of this kit and more broadly:

1. One of the supposed arguments for Errea is that they deliver on bespoke, custom designs, moreso than the bigger brands. These - third kit, home GK kit, third GK kit are woefully template, beyond belief.
2. Sticking out run. out fight. out play. on the inside, where you'd check the washing instructions, does not a bespoke kit make.
3. The design of the third kit is very plain and boring. Corrugated iron detailing? Give me a break. Naff colours, naff basic design, naff red side panels. Naff material by the looks of it. Naff, naff, naff. A club turning out against Sheffield FC wouldn't look out of place in this calibre of kit.

I know I moan, but the two Errea home kits have been ace, then decent (in order) in design template IMO. Their execution of quality of manufacturing has left loads lacking. Now the designs are going basic and Tinpot to suit, based on these offerings.

The only thing more boring than the third kit are the people who feel the need to post the same thing 100 times about how shit they think Errea are.

 

[Aston max]

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

They aren’t templates though, are they?

Imagine being so bad, that it's managed to actually look template.

 

[Stuart Davis]

Weerz away kit?

 

[Champagneblade]

Foxy, T-Blade, ISZA ⚔️ YorkBlade or any of those I've seen have communications with the club, generally and around the topic of kits more specifically, is there an acknowledgement from within the club that Errea have been poor??

I do get where you're coming from.

I happened to be wearing a simple t-shirt today. It's made by an Australian company (I think) called Surfer's Paradise.

It is lightweight and comfortable.

Looking at their local SG website, attached, one of their performance t-shirts costs $12.90, which is about £7.50.

When you look at the goalkeeper tops for example and the away kit, tell me these wouldn't be out of range of the same website!

Peak Performance Tee S003Dark Navy / M

A comfortable tee designed to keep you dry and motivated even in the hot weather. Our SP Max Peak Performance Tee is built to handle the heat and intensity of your activities, all the while keeping you refreshed and feeling like a winner. Stand out from the crowd with our striking designs, and...

surfersparadise.com.sg

The new mot is probably going to be about £60!

I can understand why fans, especially families with kids who will outgrown them quickly might be looking at DH Gate when the sponsor is confirmed. They can get all the family kitted out for the price of one shirt.

What does authentic even mean these days? They aren't hand stitched by Monica Bellucci. They're probably done by a Chinese teenager on table A while his mate on table B does the DH Gate ones!

Last season I got my daughter and I the black one from the club shop (online). Separately I got the white one from DH Gate for myself as I was a bit 50/50 to bother. The main difference was that the badge on the authentic one was stitched on with some weird plastic which was protruding from the one of my daughter. The white one I got was done differently and well done.

So the club need to be smarter about this and if you are paying more you should get quality.

Otherwise I don't blame folk heading to DH Gate. The club are making it too easy for fans to make that decision.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

The only thing more boring than the third kit are the people who feel the need to post the same thing 100 times about how shit they think Errea are.

 

[Blade56]

Our club is sh!t at kit launches. Why can’t they just sort sponsor and launch all the kit.

And yes I’ve woke up in a sh!t mood for some reason!

 

[mattbianco1]

They aren’t templates though, are they?

All kits are templates. From the cut and placement of seams, the collar and the cuffs etc.

The home shirt, 3rd shirt and leaked away shirt all have the same collar and then have then a side panel and under sleeve panel.

That collar is also used on Dundee United home shirt this year... complete with side and sleeve panels.

The shoulder seam on the back too.

ALL kits are templates.

The only "bespoke" part really is that we will have had a big say in design choices.

We will have set them a task to reinvent a classic home shirt and provided examples.
We will have requested to incorporate steel into the 3rd shirt etc.

I'm not sure we had that kind of influence with Adidas.
I guess colour choice of away kits was as much influence as we could hope for with them

Boro (a) and Millwall (h) are using same collar and cuffs



Yeovil (h) is using our template from last seasons black shirt


Boro (h) are using last seasons away shirt template

 

[Houston_Blade]

I do get where you're coming from.

I happened to be wearing a simple t-shirt today. It's made by an Australian company (I think) called Surfer's Paradise.

It is lightweight and comfortable.

Looking at their local SG website, attached, one of their performance t-shirts costs $12.90, which is about £7.50.

When you look at the goalkeeper tops for example and the away kit, tell me these wouldn't be out of range of the same website!

Peak Performance Tee S003Dark Navy / M

A comfortable tee designed to keep you dry and motivated even in the hot weather. Our SP Max Peak Performance Tee is built to handle the heat and intensity of your activities, all the while keeping you refreshed and feeling like a winner. Stand out from the crowd with our striking designs, and...

surfersparadise.com.sg

The new mot is probably going to be about £60!

I can understand why fans, especially families with kids who will outgrown them quickly might be looking at DH Gate when the sponsor is confirmed. They can get all the family kitted out for the price of one shirt.

What does authentic even mean these days? They aren't hand stitched by Monica Bellucci. They're probably done by a Chinese teenager on table A while his mate on table B does the DH Gate ones!

Last season I got my daughter and I the black one from the club shop (online). Separately I got the white one from DH Gate for myself as I was a bit 50/50 to bother. The main difference was that the badge on the authentic one was stitched on with some weird plastic which was protruding from the one of my daughter. The white one I got was done differently and well done.

So the club need to be smarter about this and if you are paying more you should get quality.

Otherwise I don't blame folk heading to DH Gate. The club are making it too easy for fans to make that decision.

People don't base their purchase of football shirts on the quality of the material though, they buy it because they want to wear the shirt of the club they support. No shirts are worth anywhere near what clubs charge, but people still pay it.

I know parents who always buy from DH Gate now for their Man U/Arsenal/Liverpool/Man City supporting kids, it must have made a huge impact on the market.

I don't mind paying for a Blades shirt and training gear from the club as I know that my kids wear them a lot, daily if they had the choice (my daughter less so now she thinks she's 18 and not 8!).

I've used DH Gate for an Ndiaye Senegal shirt (not available in kids sizes from Puma) and quite a few basketball jerseys for my eldest as I know they won't be worn often so £15 is better than £85 for those. I've also recently ordered a Barcelona shirt as he wanted one and I'm not paying full whack for a team I'm not bothered about.

I considered buying a sponsorless one from DH Gate, but then it's just a fake shirt and I'm not keen about being seen in fake gear.

 

[Dougie]

The only "bespoke" part really is that we will have had a big say in design choices.

That’s a pretty big part of the process like having a bespoke suit made, designing every aspect of it and then saying it’s like a template because it has lapels and two buttons.
I always had the idea that a template shirt is available to purchase elsewhere, without the badge. Look at the Adidas years. Just off Google - the promotion away kit, available without the badge and sponsor. A template. Look at the first Champ season being the same as Bayern’s etc etc. Other clubs having the same collar or cuffs, on a completely different shirt with entirely bespoke designs, doesn’t make it a ‘template’, to me.

Errea won’t do another shirt with subtle steel-inspired stripes like the 3rd kit for anyone else. Why would they? It’s incredibly niche. Aka bespoke, and certainly not a template.

 

[mattbianco1]

That’s a pretty big part of the process like having a bespoke suit made, designing every aspect of it and then saying it’s like a template because it has lapels and two buttons.
I always had the idea that a template shirt is available to purchase elsewhere, without the badge. Look at the Adidas years. Just off Google - the promotion away kit, available without the badge and sponsor. A template. Look at the first Champ season being the same as Bayern’s etc etc. Other clubs having the same collar or cuffs, on a completely different shirt with entirely bespoke designs, doesn’t make it a ‘template’, to me.

Errea won’t do another shirt with subtle steel-inspired stripes like the 3rd kit for anyone else. Why would they? It’s incredibly niche. Aka bespoke, and certainly not a template.

So you don't agree that, they're templates?

 

[Dougie]

Yeovil (h) is using our template from last seasons black shirt
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Boro (h) are using last seasons away shirt template
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Last season’s United third kit didn’t have pinstripes and the away kit didn’t have a horizontal panel for the sponsor. Cuffs different too

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

They are templates. They are set styles of cut & sew patterns designed by Errea for multiple use across various teams. But Errea are more lenient than adidas to tweak them.

What I would say is when we had adidas we also had a say in the design process. The main body of the shirt was almost always sublimated. Adidas gave us the option to have that how we wanted (stripe thickness etc). But Errea probably dedicate more time to applying a design process to that area. And also have more scope to add ‘collar F’ to ’template C’ and things like that. Adidas took the template thing further by having set designs for the sublimated torso part. There’s loads of examples of that on this thread - https://www.s24su.com/forum/threads/kits-twinned-with-others-templates.86875/. Look for the examples where the United shirt has a printed (gradients etc) torso area and then the ‘twinned‘ shirt.

Another thing Errea do is offer various quality materials which I assume is chosen by the club. So if the feel of the material isn’t up to your standard then that’s because United chose a lower quality (and priced) one from Errea’s catalogue.

 

[Dougie]

We probably have a different definition of ‘templates’ mattbianco1 ISZA ⚔️. To me if you can pick it up elsewhere,
for your Sunday League side, or see another team wearing it with their badge/sponsor, then that’s a template. No doubting Errea have their own collar design etc but I can’t say I agree that Boro shirt is the same as last season’s Blades away shirt, just because it has a similar collar

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

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We probably have a different definition of ‘templates’ mattbianco1 ISZA ⚔️. To me if you can pick it up elsewhere,
for your Sunday League side, or see another team wearing it with their badge/sponsor, then that’s a template. No doubting Errea have their own collar design etc but I can’t say I agree that Boro shirt is the same as last season’s Blades away shirt, just because it has a similar collar

Yeah, probably. Our 19/20 Away is an adidas template called Tiro 19 which we were given license to change the colours on. No other team (to my knowledge) had that colourway. But it’s still a template. The fluorescent 18/19 away - I imagine it was a similar situation where we could have amended the colours. But given our affiliation with that colour and adidas offering it as a colourway in their teamwear catalogue we went with that and probably paid less money to adidas (but didn’t reduce retail price so made a higher profit in sales).

 

[mattbianco1]

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We probably have a different definition of ‘templates’ mattbianco1 ISZA ⚔️. To me if you can pick it up elsewhere,
for your Sunday League side, or see another team wearing it with their badge/sponsor, then that’s a template. No doubting Errea have their own collar design etc but I can’t say I agree that Boro shirt is the same as last season’s Blades away shirt, just because it has a similar collar

I understand where you're coming from.
The big difference with that is Adidas release an extensive catalogue of "Teamwear" shirts every year. As they're a up-market sports brand, they know there's a demand for them.
Errea don't have a massive catalogue of teamwear, and they don't refresh it annually like Adidas.

Would you consider the new Adidas kits to be templates?
They're not available as teamwear "yet", but they use the exact same design across the board:

Fulham:


Bayern:


Man Utd:


They're all using the template first seen on the Colombia shirt with a rear panel that runs from shoulder down to the hem.
The rear sholder seams are all identical with the gap behind the collar.
Then they're mixing it up with collar and cuffs:

 

[mattbianco1]

Real Madrid too:

 

[Mumbo]

No 2 ways about it,football fans are being ripped off by the clubs they love.
Whilst ever there are players on a million a year and much more and greedy agents creaming off the top,
then I will have no compunction in buying cheaper alternatives.
It would take me 40 YEARS! to earn a million and 400 YEARS to earn what some players are getting in a year.
With that in mind,people moralising about buying unofficial merchandise can do one.
My son gets an official shirt every year but I got the promotion special for him from DH gate and I may buy again in the future.
Do I feel dirty?…..Neeow!

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

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We probably have a different definition of ‘templates’ mattbianco1 ISZA ⚔️. To me if you can pick it up elsewhere,
for your Sunday League side, or see another team wearing it with their badge/sponsor, then that’s a template. No doubting Errea have their own collar design etc but I can’t say I agree that Boro shirt is the same as last season’s Blades away shirt, just because it has a similar collar

Did the fluoro shirt with USG as sponsor ever get put on sale? I only saw the Ramsden Currency version and I had no desire to buy a kit with such a downmarket sponsor.

 

[Dougie]

Did the fluoro shirt with USG as sponsor ever get put on sale? I only saw the Ramsden Currency version and I had no desire to buy a kit with such a downmarket sponsor.

No it was never officially available as a replica

 

[mattbianco1]

Infinitely better with a smart looking sponsor

 

[Cappy]

Off to the club shop shortly so my lad can make me poor. Will no doubt be in there ages and get to have a proper look and feel of most new items. Fingers crossed it’s not shite quality, as he will be buying loads regardless and at least then I won’t feel as ripped off.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Did the fluoro shirt with USG as sponsor ever get put on sale? I only saw the Ramsden Currency version and I had no desire to buy a kit with such a downmarket sponsor.

Less than 10 went on sale at the end of the season in the Meadowhall store.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Less than 10 went on sale at the end of the season in the Meadowhall store.

In years to come they'll fetch some decent money no doubt!

 

[mattbianco1]

Based on the leak

 

[Goodpinchofclough]

Did the fluoro shirt with USG as sponsor ever get put on sale? I only saw the Ramsden Currency version and I had no desire to buy a kit with such a downmarket sponsor.

5 were sent back to the club shop from the kit man at the end of the season, and I got the last one...

No such luck with last seasons dark green one however

 

[Ron_Justice]

Infinitely better with a smart looking sponsor

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[Ron_Justice]

Based on the leak

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I think there are broad stripes, made up from slimmer stripes that form, almost, a wave - notice the edges of the broad striped section, the thin stripes get even thinner. Almost creating a corrugated 'in & out' wave pattern . May not be possible in the app you're using to generate the kits mind.

 

[mattbianco1]

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I think there are broad stripes, made up from slimmer stripes that form, almost, a wave - notice the edges of the broad striped section, the thin stripes get even thinner. Almost creating a corrugated 'in & out' wave pattern . May not be possible in the app you're using to generate the kits mind.

Mono badge too.

Here's a "VERY" quick knock up