CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye to Marseille

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Torrix1889 said:
OM tying up a deal for Sarr from Watford, him on top of Aubameyang surely means they know their chances of getting Illiman are slim....
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Based on nothing, I reckon Iliman dislikes Sarr (because he's lazy).
 
jono_t2000 said:
Not a bad shout at all. I would be in favor of a smaller release clause as long as that release clause also factored in say a 20% or so sell on clause.
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I wouldn't have thought any sell on claus would be part of this negotiation, this would be negotiated between us and the purchasing club at the time. Clearly we should not allow any 'sell on claus restrictions' to be inserted.
Obviously we need to negotiate on the release figure, but I'd be OK with £10m and delighted with anything more.
We can then insert a 20% sell on claus.
 
Melbourne Blade said:
Has anyone factored in the possibility that N'diaye is absolutely shite next season and not good enough to step up? Unlikely i know but just throwing it out there! 🫢😅
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Very unlikely but I’d say his agent has factored in him not performing next season and is why they want a lower transfer fee. No one is paying big bucks for him if he doesn’t produce and let’s be honest if he doesn’t produce he will find himself on the bench like any other player. Wouldn’t have many clubs after him if that was the case but a lower transfer fee he would likely still get the odd taker to gamble on him, i.e Marseille (even lower with relegation)

Hypothetical though as I’m sure he will be fine next season and at least half a dozen clubs meet whatever the get out fee is even the higher one that United want. So which ever way you look at it we have only got one season left with him.
 
bakeblade said:
I wouldn't have thought any sell on claus would be part of this negotiation, this would be negotiated between us and the purchasing club at the time. Clearly we should not allow any 'sell on claus restrictions' to be inserted.
Obviously we need to negotiate on the release figure, but I'd be OK with £10m and delighted with anything more.
We can then insert a 20% sell on claus.
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If they hit the minimum release clause they don't need to then have further discussions with us about adding in further sell on clauses... We have to accept the offer.

If we want a sell on clause it needs to be added on as part of the minimum fee release clause.. otherwise it wont happen at all.
 
Melbourne Blade said:
Has anyone factored in the possibility that N'diaye is absolutely shite next season and not good enough to step up? Unlikely i know but just throwing it out there! 🫢😅
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No.

Seriously though, even though it's a risk it's the risk I think we should roll the dice on. We clearly can't go out and spend lots of money but if we can take a punt on holding onto our best asset for a bit longer then that's a good gamble to me. Missing out on cash in the bank is different to going out and spending the cash in the bank. Not selling Ndiaye won't push us into the red. And if he does keep us up then even if he walks out the door without a transfer fee we'll have made more than £17m out of him.
 
jono_t2000 said:
If they hit the minimum release clause they don't need to then have further discussions with us about adding in further sell on clauses... We have to accept the offer.

If we want a sell on clause it needs to be added on as part of the minimum fee release clause.. otherwise it wont happen at all.
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I don't see it like that at all. If Illy has a good season, then clubs will be queuing up to sign him at a knock down price.
As part of the negotiations with the prospective purchases, we can then negotiate a sell on percentage.
In the same way Illys agent will be negotiating signing on fee, contract length and wages.
 
bakeblade said:
I wouldn't have thought any sell on claus would be part of this negotiation, this would be negotiated between us and the purchasing club at the time. Clearly we should not allow any 'sell on claus restrictions' to be inserted.
Obviously we need to negotiate on the release figure, but I'd be OK with £10m and delighted with anything more.
We can then insert a 20% sell on claus.
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Ebeneezer Goode
 
bakeblade said:
I don't see it like that at all. If Illy has a good season, then clubs will be queuing up to sign him at a knock down price.
As part of the negotiations with the prospective purchases, we can then negotiate a sell on percentage.
In the same way Illys agent will be negotiating signing on fee, contract length and wages.
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Again not how minimum fee release clauses work sadly.
 
bakeblade said:
I bow to your football contract knowledge
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He's right though. Even if 100 clubs think he's worth 10 times more than the release clause there won't be a bidding war. It's completely up to the player to choose at that point. We would have zero say where he goes and get the minimum stipulated in the clause if it is is met.
 
A transfer fee is essentially buying someone out of the their contract for an amount of money.

A release clause states it will cost X amount to buy Y player out of this contract. No more, no bidding war it’s a fixed amount.

Although not common, I am pretty sure it would be feasible to add in a sell on clause as well. I reckon you’d be able to state… it will cost X amount with the future sell on percentage of Z% agreed in advance to buy out this contract. If they don’t agree to the terms then the clause isn’t met. Would Illi agree to this? Who knows… his team would probably want to keep it simple to keep his options open.

If they put something in his new contract like £15m if relegated / £35m if we stay up… if we go down and 10 teams all want him, the most we’ll get is 15m and it’ll be up to the 10 interested clubs to fight it out over who can offer the play and his representatives the most enticing deal.

Right now the power is in his hands. A new contract would just mean we get to watch him this season without him walking for absolutely nothing in 12m time. It wouldn’t guarantee anything beyond that.
 
Every poster on here seems to be forgetting that if he refuses to sign a contract and we keep him for the season then Illy misses out on approx £1.74 million. He can sign a contract now with us to get that money, and know that if we get relegated a reasonable release clause will get him a move to a top club anyway.....and if there is a choice of clubs interested.... another wage rise too.
 

How are people genuinely so thick they don’t understand the concept of a release clause?

It’s like there being one Mars bar left in the shop at 80p and you deciding to buy it for £5.40 😂😂😂 it doesn’t matter if there’s 5 people looking at it, you’re not going to pay £5.40.
 
IF they did sell him, and we know HRH is intending to sell the club

how big an effect would it have on his chances of doing so and the clubs selling price ?...... :tumbleweed:
 
Rocket Man said:
If we stay up then it will likely be because of Ndiaye + a decent defensive record.

Don't know the figures, but if that brings in 100m then whatever we can get for Ndiaye in a years time will basically be 100m + Ndiaye £x.

If we get relegated then we will get Ndiaye £x + parachute money.

We aren't mananaging a diva here in Ndiaye. You can tell his personality is everything you want in a player. We are however managing having a generational superstar on our hands.

We therefore need to negotiate accordingly and keep him happy. 10m either way is irrelevant.

He has got us promotion (achievement + £150m that brings) He will fetch a decent fee if he signs the new deal. If he keeps us up that's another £100m. If we go down then atleast we won't have wondered what it would have been like to have a superstar on our hands for 1 year in the Premier League. He is our Maradona.
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He is clearly good, but as yet we don’t know if he will be a superstar when up against PL defenders.
Let’s not get carried away until we have seen him against a dozen PL teams.
 
BrisBlade said:
He's right though. Even if 100 clubs think he's worth 10 times more than the release clause there won't be a bidding war. It's completely up to the player to choose at that point. We would have zero say where he goes and get the minimum stipulated in the clause if it is is met.
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What happens if the player refuses to go to any of them. I guess the release clause is then defunct ?
 
jono_t2000 said:
If they hit the minimum release clause they don't need to then have further discussions with us about adding in further sell on clauses... We have to accept the offer.

If we want a sell on clause it needs to be added on as part of the minimum fee release clause.. otherwise it wont happen at all.
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A sell on clause would be a contract between us and the buying club.

The player would have no liability for it so you couldn't write it into his contract now unless it included as part of the release agreement.

Would just give him another reason not to sign.

One of our strengths when signing players is that we have always been seen not to stand in the way of players wishing to further their careers and that is a valuable but intangible benefit that we shouldn't put at risk.
 
Snowflake said:
He is clearly good, but as yet we don’t know if he will be a superstar when up against PL defenders.
Let’s not get carried away until we have seen him against a dozen PL teams.
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We don't know how good he is ,cough
 
Bladeloyal said:
We don't know how good he is ,cough
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We know how good he is in the Championship and know that he is a talented player. The bit that we don’t know is how good are PL defenders at nullifying him.
We will not know that until he is up against them. My estimate is that he is too good for many but not for the top 6 clubs.
I will delighted if he plays a full year for us and proves me wrong.
 
Snowflake said:
He is clearly good, but as yet we don’t know if he will be a superstar when up against PL defenders.
Let’s not get carried away until we have seen him against a dozen PL teams.
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So after 12 games the whole world sees how good he is and then there's no chance he signs a new contract. All these hyperthetical situations are great but a club like ours doesn't have the bargaining strength of most of the PL. Most people can see this Ndiaye is one of the best players whose ever played for this club. You just get a feeling with one, very very occasionally, if ever.

If we can get him to sign a deal on 50k a week for 3 year which sees us keep him, this season but may end with the possibility he leaves next summer for either 15m or 35 million, then that has to be better than him going either in this transfer window, or for nothing next summer.

IF he becomes the next Lionel Messi or Ronaldo for us next season then yes we may think back about what could have been and how we could have got 50 million or 80 million but if he won't sign on those terms then it's never been an option. Even if he's an average PL player next season, 50k a week is an average salary for most players in this league. We will have no trouble selling him on that wage.

I just want to see him wear the United shirt next season and show everyone what he can do and then if he has to leave we get some thing back for how we've developed him.
 
If he has a £10M clause, does that stop anyone bidding more? If 2 clubs want him next season for instance, surely there could be a bidding war or do we have to sell for 10?
 
Melbourne Blade said:
Has anyone factored in the possibility that N'diaye is absolutely shite next season and not good enough to step up? Unlikely i know but just throwing it out there! 🫢😅
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I think he's plenty good enough, my concern is his nerve. In the space of a couple years he's gone from the odd 10 minutes in a match with us to an international with a very big future. Despite his ability that's gotta be playing on his mind right now, he's got the chance to prove himself Infront of the world, gotta be a little scary.

He does seem pretty grounded to be honest so I'm not particularly concerned but I think if anything stands in his way, it could very well end up being himself.
 

Dear Blades board,

Agree to the lower release clause (say £10m) and get him signed up.

If we do, we get him playing next season for the mighty Blades and £10m if he goes

At the moment he could refuse to play, run down his contract and walk for nothing.

It’s a no brained..

Signed

The fans.
 
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