CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye to Marseille

[BrayfordsBushyBeard]

I’m interested to see who the replacement lined up is ! At least it seems like we have a plan for a change! Would love him to stay but this is the way football is nowadays!
As ever UTB !

 

[Yogi]

You're right it's not a major, but it is still a breach of FIFA regulations regardless.

I would also add that if the french media are accurate and in saying personal terms as well as length of contract (5 years) was agreed before they came to talk to Sheffield United... that would possibly be taking it a bit too far

If they don’t end up buying him now and instead waiting till January then I’d say united will have a decent case especially if they can prove a deal has been agreed this summer.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Yet some on here would have him rot in the reserves all year cos they believe someone’s made up story, based on paper talk that’s clearly just made up to get clicks. Talk about Chinese whispers!

Disclaimer: some of the claims may be false.

 

[HeySethUTB]

Let’s hold the horses on all this “bin him off to the u16s” talk.

It’s all just speculation at the minute and there is literally nothing to suggest that Ndiaye isn’t being completely professional and decent about it all.

I’m not suggesting that he isn’t being professional, but people are forgetting about an Ndiaye thread when a contract was offered a few years ago and it took time which was presumably his agent. That’s who I’m aiming it at primarily, Ndiaye is a pawn in the middle that’s being whispered on by people who have their own interests in hand. If his agent truly cares about his clients and isn’t just totally fussed about lining his own pockets then a “collateral damage strategy” needs to be used as a tactic to test his morals and Marseille real desire to want him.

I know Marseille are a bigger club just like Celtic are, but they play in a worse league comparatively and our club isn’t a cuck, it shouldn’t be pushed around. All this “on our terms bollocks”, how’s about you realise if you want the goods you pay the price. You can’t have a deal in which the agent, player and buying club come out top trumps and the selling club is counting scraps.

Take OUR offer or get a product that’s massively devalued due to him not playing, because let’s face it IF you’re seriously wanting to pay £8m for a player worth millions more, we as a club will provide you free of charge a player worth that or less at the end of the season. Bye.

 

[jt64]

If Illy goes to Marseille he has been given some real shit advice.

Footballer has priorities other than money shocker

 

[SUFCinks]

We literally just signed someone who was at our training ground in May before any fee was agreed. Anything you want to happen to them should then happen to us

The ‘insiders’ are saying we’ve had no official approach from OM and the media saying hes agreed a 5 year deal. If both are correct then they are liable under the rules another poster shared. Needs to be within 6 months and an official approach made first. Maybe it’s something that the clubs get around all the time via 3rd party contact etc. I have no idea how these deals happen or if these rules are even followed but it sounds like they have been broken.

I don’t know the ins and outs of the Anis deal so can’t comment on that.

 

[Karlos]

Not seen all of this thread but on BBC sport gossip it's quoting french press saying Marseille have agreed a 5 year deal with him but no fee agreed with us. (Don't they have to agree with the club first before they talk to the player??)

If the story is true then it looks like he wants to go. If we stop him going to his club he could resent the decision, put the cue on the rack and not play.
Id love him to stay but if they come in with an offer I'd say insert a big percentage sell on with a big fee and let him go. Hecky would need all the cash though to replace him.

 

[Superblades]

It will be interesting to see what Ndiaye does if we can’t agree a fee. Would he see out his current contract for a year on the 4K a week he is meant to be on, sign a new contract or down tools so he doesn’t risk injury and his dream move?

 

[Kev Gee]

Ndiaye is 3 times the player Gyokores is at the very least. He’s a very uniquely, outrageously talented footballer. Gyokores is very good at playing his role but that type of striker are ten a penny. The fee for Ndiaye has to be £30m minimum.

This.
£20 million? Wouldn't buy his left foot for me.
He's twice the player Gyokores is. (Although different players)
If that's the level we are at - and the player is determined to leave for OM. I would say to Illi. Give us one season in the PL. We will give you an improved deal with a minimum fee clause inserted. And you get a pay rise too. Help us retain our status. If you still want to leave at the end of the season, you go with our best wishes. And see were the land lies at the end of this season.

Hopefully he signs an improved deal. We get to keep him for minimum one year and protect our investment. And hopefully he tears the PL a new one and his value increases further.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The ‘insiders’ are saying we’ve had no official approach from OM and the media saying hes agreed a 5 year deal. If both are correct then they are liable under the rules another poster shared. Needs to be within 6 months and an official approach made first. Maybe it’s something that the clubs get around all the time via 3rd party contact etc. I have no idea how these deals happen or if these rules are even followed but it sounds like they have been broken.

I don’t know the ins and outs of the Anis deal so can’t comment on that.

There's a remarkable amount of innocence in this thread. Do people think agents earn their huge cut of a deal from driving the player to talks?!

 

[Bristol Blade]

This.
£20 million? Wouldn't buy his left foot for me.
He's twice the player Gyokores is. (Although different players)

For context, Gyokeres scored more and assisted more in a worse team. I think Ndiaye is a better player but to suggest that he should be valued significantly higher than Gyokeres is daft.

 

[Bladesman]

It will be interesting to see what Ndiaye does if we can’t agree a fee. Would he see out his current contract for a year on the 4K a week he is meant to be on, sign a new contract or down tools so he doesn’t risk injury and his dream move?

He may have got an automatic increase in wages with promotion or a big promotion bonus though.

 

[FriethBlade]

Today will be telling, will he play?

 

[Booker4]

Personally I hate the thought of us finding talent,nurturing and coaching it and some other club reaping the benefit,that makes us a "feeder"club.

I think that's the whole point though of the transfer policy of buying cheap, selling high! If we don't sell it's because it's gone wrong and we've got a team full of Bobby Fords, Nick Montgomery and on the other end if the scale the expensive flops like Rhian Brewster. Ndiaye cost us next to nothing and his agent has seemingly not wanted to negotiate with the club for a while; heck, it took weeks to get him or his agent to commit to the original three year deal.

In an ideal world we sell Ndiaye for £30milkuon but his contract situation and his agent makes it very difficult.

 

[SUFC Guy]

Today will be telling, will he play?

I think it's highly unlikely. If he's still here he may be an unused substitute.

If he starts the game, then it will be premature ejaculations galore on here

Just can't see him playing today in all honesty

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Gyokores is worth more than Ndiaye? robbiez666 And I’m talking nonsense

 

[Flumps]

I think you're all working yourselves in to a bit of a frenzy to be honest.

Let's be honest, him staying for the season would be the surprising outcome we are all perfectly aware of. The lads a talent and won't be here for long. I'd love another season of him but if he goes I'd not be surprised in the slightest and he deserves it.

 

[jt64]

Haaland was entering the last year of his contract and went to Man City for only £50mil. Mane was entering the last year of his contract and left Liverpool for £34mil. Do you seriously think a kid unproven in the Premier League is worth the same as these two in the same scenario?

Haaland had a release clause and two years left on his deal, otherwise he would have gone for more, and Mane was already 30 so is at an entire different point of his career. Hardly fair comparisons. Don't disagree that we wouldn't get close to £30m, despite that being closer to what I'd need to sell (which imo is tantamount to giving up on the season and rebuilding for the future)

 

[robbiez666]

A Swedish international with 14 caps who scored more and created more than Ndiaye? Yes.

Gyokores is worth more than Ndiaye? robbiez666 And I’m talking nonsense

 

[Harrisblade]

There's a remarkable amount of innocence in this thread. Do people think agents earn their huge cut of a deal from driving the player to talks?!

And do you think that the rules about approaching player from other clubs only apply if a manager/chairman rings a player personally?

 

[SUFCinks]

There's a remarkable amount of innocence in this thread. Do people think agents earn their huge cut of a deal from driving the player to talks?!

I don’t doubt that agents practice it and push the rules but they are still the ‘rules’. Remember SUFC are claiming no contact made but media saying some kind of deal between illi and OM has been made, apparently.

“Tapping up​

Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee.

Article 22 of the FIFA Players’ Agents Regulations prohibits a player’s agent from approaching any player who is under contract to a club with the aim of persuading him to terminate his contract prematurely or to violate any obligations stipulated in the employment contract. It shall be presumed, unless established to the contrary, that any players’ agent involved in a contractual breach committed by the player without just cause has induced such breach of contract.

Section C1 of the FA rules, meanwhile, prohibits a player who is under contract, or his agent, from talking to other clubs, or being approached by other clubs, without the consent of the player’s current club.”

the article also states that tapping up still happens and high profile cases where the guilty parties have been prosecuted has occurred.

Essentially it is a safety net to protect the clubs ‘assets’. If OM and agent have agreed personal terms before speaking to the club then ‘rules’ have been breached.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

It's kinda like going over 70 on the motorway. A lot of people will cruise at 80 and nobody bats an eyelid about the rules being bent.

You can point to the letter of the law but I think clubs are willing to bend the rules as it works for them so don't complain when it works against them. It's just how it is

 

[Sparky_Blade]

I don’t doubt that agents practice it and push the rules but they are still the ‘rules’. Remember SUFC are claiming no contact made but media saying some kind of deal between illi and OM has been made, apparently.

“Tapping up​

Currently, under FIFA and FA transfer rules, if a club wants to procure the services of a player registered with another club, they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his representatives. The player and his representatives will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed a fee.

Article 22 of the FIFA Players’ Agents Regulations prohibits a player’s agent from approaching any player who is under contract to a club with the aim of persuading him to terminate his contract prematurely or to violate any obligations stipulated in the employment contract. It shall be presumed, unless established to the contrary, that any players’ agent involved in a contractual breach committed by the player without just cause has induced such breach of contract.

Section C1 of the FA rules, meanwhile, prohibits a player who is under contract, or his agent, from talking to other clubs, or being approached by other clubs, without the consent of the player’s current club.”

the article also states that tapping up still happens and high profile cases where the guilty parties have been prosecuted has occurred.

Essentially it is a safety net to protect the clubs ‘assets’. If OM and agent have agreed personal terms before speaking to the club then ‘rules’ have been breached.

This situation would be a massive breach of the rules in a number of other sports. The offending team would be heavily fined, any agreed contract would be cancelled, transfer embargo implemented etc.

 

[reedy63]

If Ndiaye is not in today's team, I would say he is just about sold. hopefully, he is playing for us today, that could be good if he is not sold. Either way, if we accept £20m.i would call that daylight robbery.

 

[BigBed]

If Ndiaye is not in today's team, I would say he is just about sold. hopefully, he is playing for us today, that could be good if he is not sold. Either way, if we accept £20m.i would call that daylight robbery.

£20m, dreaming, half at most.

 

[reedy63]

Big Red. are you pissed up or on drugs.No way I would let him go for £10m thats daylight robbery even more.£30m would be more like it.

 

[Weasel]

We shouldn't sell him for less than £15m on sheer principal (and even that's dirt cheap). Even then I would want a percentage of future sell on say 25%.

If they can't even go to that amount for our best player (even though he only has a year left) then sod it he's worth more to us for a season trying to keep us up.

I'd prefer that he stays for a season and give it his all, but if he has to go then got on with the fucker.

 

[SufcBilly]

 

[Weasel]

As he should be. Until he his formally sold or any deal is just about agreed, then he is contracted to SUFC and should get on with his job (which I'm sure he is more than happy to do to be fair to the kid).

 

[Edwards of Nazareth]

Come on blades- show him some love. Sing his name for 90mins