CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye to Marseille

[bakeblade]

He's an absolute baller, and I've loved watching him play. Sublime skill, energy, speed and determination - he's got it all. He's destined for a bigger club than ours.

In terms of negotiations the Prince is excellent at it, McCabe would have rolled over and had his tummy tickled by now, but the Prince is more shrewd than that. We are in good hands, let's see how this all plays out.

Absolutely spot on mate

 

[Blade56]

On holiday since last Monday

Tune in to this thread every morning and turn to the wife and say - he’s gone -

Wtf is going on ?

Comments like - he’s fkd us over - etc etc

And it seems - 5 days in - he hasn’t gone at all

Some posters are barking fkin bat shit

Mods, he’s on holiday, please move these kind of comments to the appropriate thread (ie Boardroom thread “Takeover info only”)

 

[bakeblade]

He has to be careful if he’s running down his agreement with us and before he signs a pre contract with OM, as he could suffer a JOC, like injury and then he has nothing.

It's definitely a risk he should factor in, look at Brewster

 

[jono_t2000]

This is classic, make it be known to the public that we are interested after we’ve already spoken to the agent and provided the player with an idea of what he will get.

A) We’ll put in a cheap offer “our terms” if it’s rejected so be it, we’ll pick you up on a free.

B) Submit no actual bid create a media frenzy player then has assurances so runs down his contract and he goes on a free.

What we should do is (extremely controversial) say to Marseille you can have Ndiaye now but for £25m, if you don’t except that bid, we’ll freeze him out of the squad. It’s puts pressure on Marseille and his agent to act in the interest of him, if they respect him as a human being they put Billy big bollocks financial f**kery to one side and stop chatting shit.

Pay up or will take the lot with us. How’s about that for trying to play the big man, we own his registration and his ability to develop or go backwards. AFCON I think not.

Agreed, if Ili and his wife are going to make a big song and dance of it. (Probably the reason publicly listing stuff with a comment of moving out,need to get rid of stuff ASAP) then I have no problem if the club decide to chuck him in the U18s, heck even the U16s and bar him from training with the seniors.

I don't think he is the type to sulk but if he is just chuck him somewhere he will become the forgotten man for 12 months.

 

[LondonBlade89]

OM still need to pay his valuation. Nothing has changed in the last day despite pages and pages of talk.

 

[YES Blade]

This is classic, make it be known to the public that we are interested after we’ve already spoken to the agent and provided the player with an idea of what he will get.

A) We’ll put in a cheap offer “our terms” if it’s rejected so be it, we’ll pick you up on a free.

B) Submit no actual bid create a media frenzy player then has assurances so runs down his contract and he goes on a free.

What we should do is (extremely controversial) say to Marseille you can have Ndiaye now but for £25m, if you don’t except that bid, we’ll freeze him out of the squad. It’s puts pressure on Marseille and his agent to act in the interest of him, if they respect him as a human being they put Billy big bollocks financial f**kery to one side and stop chatting shit.

Pay up or will take the lot with us. How’s about that for trying to play the big man, we own his registration and his ability to develop or go backwards. AFCON I think not.

If we’ve made him a decent and fair contract offer and he’s now rejected it, then I’d be happy to play the cunt with Marseille and Ndiaye.

The Gyökeres to Sporting deal has set the bare minimum fee, so if Marseille aren’t willing to pay that, then like you say get him training with the kids until his contract is up.

 

[Pintor75]

How about Marseille agree to sign him for £17m and loan him back to us for the new season, or £22m and he goes now and we move on and sign someone else before season starts

 

[SUFCinks]

So if all the media hype is true then OM have breached rules about ‘signing’ illi as they have not waited until 6 months of his contract expiring. Not informing us they are speaking to him also means they can be sanctioned.

Part of me is now thinking that OM are either snakey which i think would be unprofessional and unlikely as they will know about the rules. Most likely is that its nothing but media hype and its all blown out of proportion.

 

[bakeblade]

Just checked and yep it's 6 months universally.

"What is a pre-contract in football and when can they be signed?
A pre-contract is an agreement between a player that club that commits to a move being made once the player’s current deal comes to a close.

This allows interested parties to line up recruitment business well before it is actually completed, with long-term planning put in place.

Said talks can be opened up to six months before the expiration of a previous agreement in alternative surroundings.

That rule was put in place as part of the famous 1995 Bosman ruling relating to freedom of movement for professional footballers.

Any player running down their deal can now sign for another club with no fee having to change hands.

FIFA regulations state: "A club intending to conclude a contract with a professional must inform the player’s current club in with a formal offer before entering into negotiations with him.

"A professional shall only be free to conclude a contract with another club if his contract with his present club has expired or is due to expire within six months.

"Any breach of this provision shall be subject to appropriate sanctions."

Illy and his advisors need do be really careful here. His best option is a move now on a big 5 year contract, he's basically made for life then.
However we should pay hardball with the transfer fee and definitely not go under £20m, if Marseille refuse to meet that he should look at other options.
I would suggest it's too risky for him to wait until January on his current low wage. He only needs a nasty injury and his value would plummet.

 

[Teddy]

Let’s hold the horses on all this “bin him off to the u16s” talk.

It’s all just speculation at the minute and there is literally nothing to suggest that Ndiaye isn’t being completely professional and decent about it all.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Quite a bit of naivety in this thread.

In most cases, personal terms are agreed between purchasing club and player long before an official bid has been put in.
The official bid is one of the last things that happens in the process.
Before the bid even goes in there tends to be a lot of jostling for position between buyer and seller.

Clubs and players have agents and other forms of intermediaries that deal on their behalf.
The conversations are always taking place to ascertain whether a deal can be realistically done, if the player would be interested in "the project" etc. etc.
You can call it "tapping up" if you want, but it's just the reality of how transfers are done and I don't see too much wrong with it.

 

[jono_t2000]

Quite a bit of naivety in this thread.

In most cases, personal terms are agreed between purchasing club and player long before an official bid has been put in.
The official bid is one of the last things that happens in the process.
Before the bid even goes in there tends to be a lot of jostling for position between buyer and seller.

Clubs and players have agents and other forms of intermediaries that deal on their behalf.
The conversations are always taking place to ascertain whether a deal can be realistically done, if the player would be interested in "the project" etc. etc.
You can call it "tapping up" if you want, but it's just the reality of how transfers are done and I don't see too much wrong with it.

You're right it's not a major, but it is still a breach of FIFA regulations regardless.

I would also add that if the french media are accurate and in saying personal terms as well as length of contract (5 years) was agreed before they came to talk to Sheffield United... that would possibly be taking it a bit too far

 

[Rodley]

In terms of negotiations the Prince is excellent at it, McCabe would have rolled over and had his tummy tickled by now, but the Prince is more shrewd than that. We are in good hands, let's see how this all plays out.

Is he negotiating in our best interests any more as a club though? The lack of a contracted squad come next summer indicates otherwise. Our key youngsters aren’t tied down and could walk for a pittance.

 

[jt64]

One would assume it is only a breach of regulations if the current club hasn't allowed the player to open discussions, and there is nothing to suggest we haven't let him talk to OM. Besides, how would we be well placed to make any potential counter offer without knowing what OM are offering?

 

[Stretch]

Quite a bit of naivety in this thread.

In most cases, personal terms are agreed between purchasing club and player long before an official bid has been put in.
The official bid is one of the last things that happens in the process.
Before the bid even goes in there tends to be a lot of jostling for position between buyer and seller.

Clubs and players have agents and other forms of intermediaries that deal on their behalf.
The conversations are always taking place to ascertain whether a deal can be realistically done, if the player would be interested in "the project" etc. etc.
You can call it "tapping up" if you want, but it's just the reality of how transfers are done and I don't see too much wrong with it.

Can they formally agree terms with 12 months of a contact left, before a transfer fee has been agreed? Not so sure about that, but I could be wrong.

Of course, terms may not have been formally agreed yet, and it could just be speculation leaked in order to put pressure on our side.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

So if all the media hype is true then OM have breached rules about ‘signing’ illi as they have not waited until 6 months of his contract expiring. Not informing us they are speaking to him also means they can be sanctioned.

Part of me is now thinking that OM are either snakey which i think would be unprofessional and unlikely as they will know about the rules. Most likely is that its nothing but media hype and its all blown out of proportion.

We literally just signed someone who was at our training ground in May before any fee was agreed. Anything you want to happen to them should then happen to us

 

[Bell4]

Mods, he’s on holiday, please move these kind of comments to the appropriate thread (ie Boardroom thread “Takeover info only”)

Thank you

I only want to see good news

• IN signs new deal with Utd and says it’s cos Pond Street is so much like Marseilles harbour
• the Prince finds £300m wrapped up in a disused tea towel and gives to to PH who is told to go fkin crazy with it
• Fallowfield and Pomp’s announce their engagement
• Knowsnowt becomes fluent in French profanities
• Utds new kit is red and white stripes

That will do for today

 

[MagnifiqueShorehamStreet]

I oringally thought the same. After the season playing with MGW the club should have tied him down to a new deal then. I think what's happened now is a combination of naivety, budget planning where we didn't know which league we'd be in, and an unforeseen curve ball.

After that season we received bids in the summer for Ndiaye and turned them all down and he didn't express any interest in wanting to leave. The same happened in January where more clubs came in for him which we turned down. Again, Ndiaye expressed no interest in leaving. As far as we were concerned he was happy playing for us and would do next season, so they figured they'd negotiate a new deal in the summer, not during the season, I'll get to that.

The new deal could have included a relegation transfer fee release clause, or Ndiaye might not sign. Other than that sign a new deal and we sell him next summer if we go down for a decent fee. He'd be gone anyway unless we stay up (probably not likely whether he stayed or not, we can only hope). Naivety on the clubs part, but done in the genuine belief that he didn't want to leave and was happy at Bramall Lane, as everything pointed to that and was true.

The curve ball is the involvement of OM, the one club on Planet Earth to get Ndiaye's interest to the point where he has expressed interest in leaving. If other clubs had bid for him this summer I genuinely believe we'd have turned them down and so would have Ndiaye. It's just unfortunate that it's the only club he wants to play for that's come in.

Potentially part of the problem is our cashflow from falling out of the Premier League. We probably wanted to offer Ndiaye a new deal last season, where he would want a deserved pay rise, but we couldn't commit to paying more if we didn't go up. If we failed to go up budgets would be slashed again and we'd have no money to fund an improved contract. That meant we couldn't renegotiate until this summer when we knew what league we'd be jn and what budget we'd have respective to that league. Unfortunately the curve ball has hampered this.

A club, coming in with an offer which could tempt Illy to leave this summer, is not a curve ball out of the blue, it was a very distinct possibility, some might say nailed on.
If our Board couldn’t see that, and try to prevent it 12/6 months ago, God help us.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Can they formally agree terms with 12 months of a contact left, before a transfer fee has been agreed?

Yes.

That's not to say Ndiaye has been across and sat in a room with Marseille negotiators, but almost certainly his agent will have and relayed the conversations back and forth.

 

[jono_t2000]

Yes.

You sure about that

 

[Harrisblade]

We literally just signed someone who was at our training ground in May before any fee was agreed. Anything you want to happen to them should then happen to us

I wonder where that silly old phrase "Club X have given Club Y permission to speak to Player Z" came from?
Fuck the rules - just let everyone do what they want!

 

[Blade58]

I wonder if the terms reportedly agreed are for when he might sign in either Jan or end of season depending on where we are in the league come Jan?

A player at the club was asked if Ndiaye was leaving and reckoned not but we all know how things change very quickly especially if the fee ends up meeting the clubs valuation

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I wonder where that silly old phrase "Club X have given Club Y permission to speak to Player Z" came from?
Fuck the rules - just let everyone do what they want!

Hecky openly said last year that when it comes to the stage of a club putting in an official bid the deal is pretty much agreed with the player already.

 

[Balboni]

1. He's not English or the fee would be silly

2. No, £17mil is a good fee for a player who's entering the last year of his contract and can sign a pre-contract agreement for anyone in January. A fee double that? I don't think so.

Haaland was entering the last year of his contract and went to Man City for only £50mil. Mane was entering the last year of his contract and left Liverpool for £34mil. Do you seriously think a kid unproven in the Premier League is worth the same as these two in the same scenario?

Dose of reality needed here dude. No offence.

Haaland had a release clause, do you really think Dortmund would only have sold him for that if they had any choice?

Mane was approaching 30.

They’re apples to this orange we have infront of us.

Like it or not, we hold all the cards here. Stick or twist? That’s the only question.

 

[Harrisblade]

Hecky openly said last year that when it comes to the stage of a club putting in an official bid the deal is pretty much agreed with the player already.

So the silly old phrase might already have been asked and agreed to.
The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

I assume that United have minimal conditions set in place with any out going transfers.
A minimum % of any future sale of the player can at times bring in funds that could
in themselves help enormously with further incomings.

In this case, what would be your minimum % of any future sale of ID29?

 

[gaffablade]

Illy and his advisors need do be really careful here. His best option is a move now on a big 5 year contract, he's basically made for life then.
However we should pay hardball with the transfer fee and definitely not go under £20m, if Marseille refuse to meet that he should look at other options.
I would suggest it's too risky for him to wait until January on his current low wage. He only needs a nasty injury and his value would plummet.

If Illy goes to Marseille he has been given some real shit advice.

Apart fro PSG the French league is shit! Think is the 5th in Europe now.

He should challenge himself, see if he can make it in the PL

We have offered £40 p/w so he wouldn’t be on much more at Marseille, but he did smash the PL this season could get his big ticket move, and then always drop on to his boy hood club in 3/5 years.

 

[Balti Pie]

Why are we all getting sand in our fannies based on some bullshit headlines? None of us know the real situation. The boy is our player, he’s returned to pre-season training and is giving it his all. Yet some on here would have him rot in the reserves all year cos they believe someone’s made up story, based on paper talk that’s clearly just made up to get clicks. Talk about Chinese whispers!

 

[CPB]

A club, coming in with an offer which could tempt Illy to leave this summer, is not a curve ball out of the blue, it was a very distinct possibility, some might say nailed on.
If our Board couldn’t see that, and try to prevent it 12/6 months ago, God help us.

Exactly.
Although before Christmas his agent had told the club he wanted to wait and assess options instead.

But 12 months ago was the time and chance. He had done well but been in the shadow of MGW. But after that first season he should have been offered improved terms. Just protects your assets.

Clubs doing it with the whole squad at min though. So many out of contract in 12 months who I personally wouldn't want to see go for nothing whichever league we are in. It's negligent.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Is he negotiating in our best interests any more as a club though? The lack of a contracted squad come next summer indicates otherwise. Our key youngsters aren’t tied down and could walk for a pittance.

He'll play hardball whatever though won't he.