Jebbo

[Groucho Blade]

I’d send them both out on loan to decent level clubs until January…and then take it from there. See if either of them are ready to step up.

That’ll also coincide with Iliman going to the African Cup of Nations

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Sell them both, neither are ever going to make top class players.
Giralamo and Slew mark2 situation.

 

[1889]

I think it’s far too early to say in which direction their respective careers will go. I do think that they both need to go out on loan this season and get some match experience, wherever they can get in, be that League one or the Championship.

They’re both very young and inexperienced in terms of mens football, if either of them start ripping it up at their loan club, then perhaps we could re assess in January, what is best for the club and their development?

Which means we will need to get at least one proven striker in asap.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Seen more raw potential in them than I ever did in DCL! Doesn't mean they make it of course.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I dont agree with those that say we need to get Jebbo and Osula out on loan. They are good players now and could do a really good job in the PL - I dont buy this that young players cant make it at this level - what about Rooney, Walcott, Saka et al - TC was 17 when we bought hm and he played all the games so lets get them signed up with long contracts and get them playing.

Jebbison struggled to hold down a first team place with us last season.
Osula struggled similarly at League 1 Derby.

I appreciate the sentiment, I rate them both.
However, surely their time is best served playing regular games at a level they're comfortable at.

They're not ready for what we need in the PL.
Nevertheless, great prospects.

 

[Balti Pie]

Jebbo and Osula both have the attributes to be top players - hopefully with us.
DJ is currently streets ahead of WO in terms of decision making, positioning, making runs, etc. and he showed in some games last season that he can be thrown in and do a solid job. I think we should use him in the Prem next year.
WO has that raw brilliance, but his decision making is woeful at present. His team mates must hate playing with him cos he just doesn't pass - he's looking to do it all himself, every time. He needs a loan to a League One club - he has much to learn, and he can't do it with us at our level. If he's banging the goals in at that level, bring him back in January.
Both need tying down to long term contracts, as most on here have already said.

 

[Snowflake]

That's fine, neither would be starting every game

I'm thinking regular sub appearances and maybe 1 start every 3 or 4 games

They have to think they're close to a full breakthrough, otherwise their interests are best served elsewhere

I'm mindful of not referring to them too much as a pair btw. If one performs better, he'll play more, then we reassess and maybe send the other on loan. Its just that they're quite hard for us to separate currently. For what it's worth I fancy Osula's chances more

If neither of these two start regularly then who does ?

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

If neither of these two start regularly then who does ?

I expect it'll be a front 2 of McBurnie and Ndiaye more often than not, unless we sign an upgrade on McBurnie

 

[Keen Blade]

Yep , Ndiaye & McBurnie , the latter having carried various injuries last season.
And who's next after them ?
Brewster discounted coz PH making it sound like he's taking ages to mend (and no idea if he'll ever be fully right again).
Consensus on Osula seems to be he's not ready.
So our only viable sub is Jebbo.
We can't start the season with just those 3 strikers.
I don't know how we're gonna do it , but a proven Striker must come in from somewhere.
Someone was saying we got 40 goals in 19/20 + 20 goals in 20/21. I think we are light in the striker dept.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

There are essentially two sets of "needs" here. The loan spell to lower leagues that (apparently) both players NEED. And 11 players plus subs which Sheffield United (actually) NEED each weekend.

One of Jebbison/Osula is currently our third choice striker. We will not send our third choice striker out on loan.

Is Jebbison a Premier League quality striker?

Yes, because he's clearly in the top four strikers, on merit, at a club in the Premier League, on merit.

 

[blade too long]

Young raw talent only flourishes with playing in proper games
both Jebbison and Osula have the components of building a good career but
unless they get picked improvement will never happen
Saka at Arsenal has flourished as the manager showed faith in him making him a regular
which gives them confidence and belief, Sitting on benches is for pensioners

 

[Le Cynique]

Teenagers don't have a big impact on top level games. To expect Jebbison to be the outlier is going to end badly for all involved

He turns 20 on 13 August, so he'd literally be a teenager for a single game.

 

[ancientblade]

if both jebbison and osula go out on loan we definetly need 2 more strikers to come in personally think jebbo will be our 5th choice striker and osula will go out on loan

 

[Carlton Blade]

He turns 20 on 13 August, so he'd literally be a teenager for a single game.

And under 23s also struggle mightily at that level.

You knew the point I was making!

 

[Le Cynique]

And under 23s also struggle mightily at that level.

You knew the point I was making!

I did

Absent a credible alternative, I think they've both got a part to play though.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I did

Absent a credible alternative, I think they've both got a part to play though.

They'll have to play, they just likely won't be very good

 

[Le Cynique]

They'll have to play, they just likely won't be very good

I'm trying to be optimistic about it. I think they've got bags of potential and some great coaches to support them. I'm probably like the yin to your yang here though and the truth will probably be somewhere in between

 

[mancunianblade]

There are essentially two sets of "needs" here. The loan spell to lower leagues that (apparently) both players NEED. And 11 players plus subs which Sheffield United (actually) NEED each weekend.

One of Jebbison/Osula is currently our third choice striker. We will not send our third choice striker out on loan.

Is Jebbison a Premier League quality striker?

Yes, because he's clearly in the top four strikers, on merit, at a club in the Premier League, on merit.

Circumstance doesn’t make him premier league quality though does it?

Is he a premier league player? Yes by default he is.

Is he premier league quality? no chance, not yet anyway, I’d love him to become that but right now he isn’t.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I'm trying to be optimistic about it. I think they've got bags of potential and some great coaches to support them. I'm probably like the yin to your yang here though and the truth will probably be somewhere in between

I think they'll put a real shift in and we'll see some good things. But DCL scored about 1 in 8 to start his Everton career and he was starting almost every game. It's just a big ask for them to be anything other than bit part players

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Circumstance doesn’t make him premier league quality though does it?

Is he a premier league player? Yes by default he is.

Is he premier league quality? no chance, not yet anyway, I’d love him to become that but right now he isn’t.

We're all just playing with words. Mine are shorter...

He's a Premier League player

 

[Carlton Blade]

Circumstance doesn’t make him premier league quality though does it?

Is he a premier league player? Yes by default he is.

Is he premier league quality? no chance, not yet anyway, I’d love him to become that but right now he isn’t.

What you're looking for is "he's unlikely to have a huge impact on the Premier League"

 

[Need4speed]

I get the loan idea for both Osula and Jebbison but the problem is still that we cannot guarantee they will get the game time we want them to have if the go out on loan. Half the clubs in the EFL will change their manager during the season so even if discussions are positive about them playing now that doesn't mean that will hold through the season. Strikers are often the first to be swapped when a team is playing below expectations anyway. I would rather keep them here and give them good coaching and as much game time as we can

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Circumstance doesn’t make him premier league quality though does it?

Is he a premier league player? Yes by default he is.

Is he premier league quality? no chance, not yet anyway, I’d love him to become that but right now he isn’t.

The idea that there's this imaginary and arbitrary line - above which you're Premier League quality is ludicrous.

What's the stats? How many players who played in the Premier League last season meet this gold standard of Premier League quality?

Quality is a spectrum, a range, Jebbison is on that range. Not as high quality as others in Premier League squads, better quality than others.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

We're all just playing with words. Mine are shorter...

He's a Premier League player

semantics?

 

[Carlton Blade]

semantics?

Didn't he score against us for Blackburn in the Cup QF?

 

[jt64]

I’d send them both out on loan to decent level clubs until January…and then take it from there. See if either of them are ready to step up.

See if they're ready to step up by having them play at a lower level to where we want them to step up to? Bonkers. You see if they're ready to step up by playing them here.

 

[finlaytheblade]

The idea that there's this imaginary and arbitrary line - above which you're Premier League quality is ludicrous.

What's the stats? How many players who played in the Premier League last season meet this gold standard of Premier League quality?

Quality is a spectrum, a range, Jebbison is on that range. Not as high quality as others in Premier League squads, better quality than others.

I liken Jebbo to Brian Dean
Similar size and nèeded time to develop physically and improve in all areas,,
Dearness was 20 and had experience with Doncaster so further forward than Jebbo who is still 19.
Two promotions with the Blades set him up for the 1st division ! them two seasons really gave him a
Platform to become a top
Striker at that level.
Jebbo is way behind in experience and age,apart from maybe his heading ability (this is something he has to work on which I'm sure he is.)he compares well in all other aspects with Deanf course that doasnt mean he will be as good, all about wanting to be that top man! As he the same hunger! I think so.
We will still need patience with him he hasn't come through the usual channels (academy from a young age) maybe in the long run that might be of benefit to him.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I liken Jebbo to Brian Dean
Similar size and nèeded time to develop physically and improve in all areas,,
Dearness was 20 and had experience with Doncaster so further forward than Jebbo who is still 19.
Two promotions with the Blades set him up for the 1st division ! them two seasons really gave him a
Platform to become a top
Striker at that level.
Jebbo is way behind in experience and age,apart from maybe his heading ability (this is something he has to work on which I'm sure he is.)he compares well in all other aspects with Deanf course that doasnt mean he will be as good, all about wanting to be that top man! As he the same hunger! I think so.
We will still need patience with him he hasn't come through the usual channels (academy from a young age) maybe in the long run that might be of benefit to him.

The face is supposed to be
O don't know how the face appeared

 

[Groucho Blade]

See if they're ready to step up by having them play at a lower level to where we want them to step up to? Bonkers. You see if they're ready to step up by playing them here.

I take it you’re not familiar with how the loan system works. I understand a lot of teams do it.
You may even have seen James McAtee play for us in the Championship last season. And now he may be in the Citeh squad this season.
Dunno what Pep was thinking. Bonkers.

 

[jt64]

I take it you’re not familiar with how the loan system works. I understand a lot of teams do it.
You may even have seen James McAtee play for us in the Championship last season. And now he may be in the Citeh squad this season.
Dunno what Pep was thinking. Bonkers.

Pep knows Rodri, Grealish, Foden etc are better than McAtee was at the start of the season and he was literally never going to be used. We don't know that (anyone other than Ndiaye) are better than Jebbison or Osula, neither of whom would literally never be used (given rational coaching at least)