#HerGameToo

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

More like:

"Why are we doing this? What net effect will hastagging a situation already in process? Who is behind this, and when we examine the metrics, is there any real need for it? Who exactly is this aimed at? Is this not inherently discriminatory in an opposite sense against another specific group? What are public attitudes saying regading this? Is there any need? What will be the overall outcome, even marginally?"

These aren't questions aimed at 'doing nothing'. They are questions aimed solely at the rationale behind it to highlight if there isn't some wider political driver behind this and the real intent is just being used as a convenient vehicle to wide on whilst actually championing a larger feminist narrative against a 'patriarchy' standpoint which is as baseless and pointless as it seems when it's exposed to the sunlight.

No one ... but no one supporting this ... has told us in detail what the outcomes of this are meant to achieve. And if you use the the words 'raise awareness' in the answer, you are instantly highlighting yourself as hijacked and brainwashed. Raising awareness is a hollow, empty gesture of the mediocrity of modern opinion formers.

pommpey

Have you read the Her Game Too Strategy 2022-23?
I mean you won't fucking like it, because you haven't written it, but at least read it.

 

[pommpey]

Have you read the Her Game Too Strategy 2022-23?
I mean you won't fucking like it, because you haven't written it, but at least read it.

You mean their website where they trumpet

"We are proud winners of the Football Content Awards 2022 in the 'Best in Women's Football' category!"

I mean, what the fuck? Is that not like The Tufty Club saying they are award winners in the best two person Sheffield United online blog category (football) (with name of 'Tufty' in title). What exactly does that award signify? To whom? I can understand people getting Emmys and Golden Boots and shit. But really?

You can even download their logo. Groundbreaking stuff, that.

Virtue signalling horseshit. Get playing football. It's everyone's game. See this person?



Ellen White MBE. That's what women in football is all about. She let's her talent, competitiveness and athleticism do the talking.

pommpey

 

[Stu_Blade]

At the top of the game it is all about money since its a professional sport and run like a business , when you look at revenue for the top 20 clubs in the world, the average the women's made in 20/21 was £2.1million (we made £10.3million that season) when compared to the top 20 in the men's game this was £8.1billion (figures by Deloitte) most of the teams in the top 20 in the men's game are also supporting a women's game with the same owner having an interest in both. Initiatives like the OP are great for supporting the women's game moving forward however sustainable growth is needed if the pro women's game is going to expand

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

You mean their website where they trumpet

"We are proud winners of the Football Content Awards 2022 in the 'Best in Women's Football' category!"

I mean, what the fuck? Is that not like The Tufty Club saying they are award winners in the best two person Sheffield United online blog category (football) (with name of 'Tufty' in title). What exactly does that award signify? To whom? I can understand people getting Emmys and Golden Boots and shit. But really?

You can even download their logo. Groundbreaking stuff, that.

Virtue signalling horseshit. Get playing football. It's everyone's game. See this person?

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Ellen White MBE. That's what women in football is all about.

pommpey

Have you read the Her Game Too Strategy 2022-23?

 

[pommpey]

Have you read the Her Game Too Strategy 2022-23?

No, I'm busy downloading a poem from their fucking website Phil

pommpey

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

"I am not going to support something that I already support and is already happening and doesn't need supporting anyway, in the way that is outlined in a document I don't need to read and indeed refuse to read. I will support it in this other way that I've decided is better"

 

[coaxingstar71]

#HarmlessNonsense

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Here's pommpey 's Lioness Ellen White throwing her support behind Oldham Athletic and #HerGameToo for this weekend.

Apparently "She let's her talent, competitiveness and athleticism do the talking."

Apart from here, where she is actually (checks notes) ... talking

 

[EddieColquhoun]

The 1st female manager would be an interesting experiment.
Could be a big success breaking down barriers or a total disaster building up the barriers.

Some men are full of testosterone and can be quite confrontational.
Some (due to their culture) will find it difficult being reprimanded by a women. Some will find it difficult to initially give respect.
Would the female manager be able to be confrontational and be aggressive when required. What about dressing room banter and jokes?
It's possible but there would be additional difficulties, so the female manager would need to be very special, also you'd need a club owner to be brave.

Agree women playing alongside men should never be ruled out, would love to see it but I can't see it ever happening.
The current top international female players have the strength of 16 year old boys.
The skill level might become comparable to the mens but surely it would be impossible to compete due to natural genetics.
It's like saying one day a 16 year old school boy team would be able to compete against a mens league team.

I'll leave that one hanging without comment. Comparing a WSL team with a team of 16 year olds deserves its own contempt.

pommpey

In 2017 the USA women’s world champions lost to Dallas U15s 5-2. Most of the Dallas team were 14 years old.

 

[Linz]

I think my feelings on this can be summed up by the below...



Consult with female fans (more than one of them - "ambassadors" tend not to rock the boat) at Bramall Lane to see what would make their experience better.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

I think my feelings on this can be summed up by the below...

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Consult with female fans (more than one of them - "ambassadors" tend not to rock the boat) at Bramall Lane to see what would make their experience better.

Wouldn't this initiative support and enable this conversation in a much more productive way than ever before?

When has there been a better potential to talk to the club about how to make things better than now?

Surely now is the time to actually leverage that relationship to improve things in a meaningful way. The club has made their intentions clear by partnering with this initiative so if this was aimed at improving MY matchday / football experience, I would 100% be putting my voice forward to start talking to the club. There is no excuse for inaction by the club now they have partnered with the movement.

 

[pommpey]

In 2017 the USA women’s world champions lost to Dallas U15s 5-2. Most of the Dallas team were 14 years old.

Which proves what, exactly? Males at a younger age are better than females at an older age?

What is the point? Women's football is at a different status. Besides, much of that USA team were reserves. And it was a 'friendly'.

pommpey

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Which proves what, exactly? Males at a younger age are better than females at an older age?

What is the point? Women's football is at a different status. Besides, much of that USA team were reserves. And it was a 'friendly'.

pommpey

Did virtue signaller Ellen White MBE play in that one?

 

[pommpey]

"I am not going to support something that I already support and is already happening and doesn't need supporting anyway, in the way that is outlined in a document I don't need to read and indeed refuse to read. I will support it in this other way that I've decided is better"

You're still not illustrating what it's meant to achieve, and by how much, how its measured and why it's needed.

All this does, is scratch an itch.

If the whole of the footballing movement was geared toward actively stopping, banning and preventing women from being involved in the game then there would be a point. But the wider political narrative being promoted here ('we want to play and enjoy football just like men and its not happening') is a fundamental falsehood.

Its almost as if there is some gender based apartheid going on here. When asked for proof, all we get are poems.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Did virtue signaller Ellen White MBE play in that one?

She's not a USA international.

Do keep up.

By the way, I've just skimmed said #HerGame bumf. Great KPIs. All of them don't involve boots on grass and kicking balls in goals. You could classify much of the waflle stuck up there as 'raising awareness'.

pommpey

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

You're still not illustrating what it's meant to achieve, and by how much, how its measured and why it's needed.

All this does, is scratch an itch.

If the whole of the footballing movement was geared toward actively stopping, banning and preventing women from being involved in the game then there would be a point. But the wider political narrative being promoted here ('we want to play and enjoy football just like men and its not happening') is a fundamental falsehood.

Its almost as if there is some gender based apartheid going on here. When asked for proof, all we get are poems.

pommpey

Have you read the Her Game Too Strategy 2022-23? As endorsed by the talkative Ellen White MBE.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

How's this topic gone down on Vital?
Anyone dared to venture?

 

[pommpey]

Have you read the Her Game Too Strategy 2022-23? As endorsed by the talkative Ellen White MBE.

Yes, I've read it, for what it's worth. Predictably it is filled with activist waffle. Four 'Objectives' (usually they are accompanied by timelines and measurables, but let's not go too deep, eh?) and loads of KPIs which are both vague but oddly easily categorisable as 'raising awareness' or campaigning for issues applicable to wider life attitudes, not just sport.

It's still virtue signalling horseshit, however much you dress it up. If you can show me what you believe to be a measurable outcome, I'll agree with you. But you can't.

pommpey

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Yes, I've read it, for what it's worth. Predictably it is filled with activist waffle. Four 'Objectives' (usually they are accompanied by timelines and measurables, but let's not go too deep, eh?) and loads of KPIs which are both vague but oddly easily categorisable as 'raising awareness' or campaigning for issues applicable to wider life attitudes, not just sport.

It's still virtue signalling horseshit, however much you dress it up. If you can show me what you believe to be a measurable outcome, I'll agree with you. But you can't.

pommpey

That's good. Thanks. I'm coming from a simple position. If you're going to rail against something, at least read it. You've read it now. Rail away.

What did you make of activist waffler Ellen White MBE endorsing it? Good footballer, poor KPIs?

 

[pommpey]

That's good. Thanks. I'm coming from a simple position. If you're going to rail against something, at least read it. You've read it now. Rail away.

What did you make of Ellen White MBE endorsing it? Good footballer, poor KPIs?

Think about Ellen White MBEs position here.

"Ellen White MBE, top England goalscorer and England player of the year three times, widely acclaimed porfessional footballer and person who was once banned from playing football as a female and ovecame all of that shit to be part of an international trophy winning side. Do you suport #HerGameToo?"

What do you think the answer will be? I'll wait.

I prefer to watch her doing what she does - very well - popping up in the penalty area and thereabouts to boot the ball in the net for Man City and England (although that's now somoene else's job as she's hung up her lioness boots sadly) How many young lasses watch her and get the same fever I got watching Woody and Currie? How many lasses out on training parks will you interview and get the answer 'Beth Mead' , 'Karen Carney', 'Leigh Williamson', 'Jill Scott' when you ask 'what brought you here?' and not '#HerGameToo'? THAT is the measurable. That is cause/effect. Whilst they may fully endorse that movement, they made it without it and made it big, right the way to lifting silverware for their country. Measurable? Big style. Unless you can tell me what those KPIs are meant to achieve and over how long, then they are simply poor KPIs. The clue is in the name of them

pommpey

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Think about Ellen White MBEs position here.

"Ellen White MBE, top England goalscorer and England player of the year three times, widely acclaimed porfessional footballer and person who was once banned from playing football as a female and ovecame all of that shit to be part of an international trophy winning side. Do you suport #HerGameToo?"

What do you think the anser will be? I'll wait.

I prefer to watch her doing what she does - very well - popping up in the penalty area and thereabouts to boot the ball in the net for Man City and England (although that's now somoene else's job as she's hung up her lioness boots sadly) How many young lasses watch her and get the same fever I got watching Woody and Currie? How many lasses out on training parks will you interview and get the answer 'Beth Mead' , 'Karen Carney', 'Leigh Williamson', 'Jill Scott' when you ask 'what brought you here?' and not '#HerGameToo'? THAT is the measurable. That is cause/effect. Whilst they may fully endorse that movement, they made it without it and made it big, right the way to lifting silverware for their country. Measurable? Big style. Unless you can tell me what those KPIs are meant to achieve and over how long, then they are simply poor KPIs. The clue is in the name of them

pommpey

If you do not find it funny that you invoked & co-opted Ellen White MBE to your argument, only to have it pointed out that she is a #HerGameToo endorser, then you have no soul. And, of course you've got a soul. Lighten up on that bit FFS.

 

[pommpey]

If you do not find it funny that you invoked & co-opted Ellen White MBE to your argument, only to have it pointed out that she is a #HerGameToo endorser, then you have no soul. And, of course you've got a soul. Lighten up on that bit FFS.

There's Ellen White (footballer) where I get my references and Ellen White (endorser) where you get yours

Again, you conveniently skirt around what the flying fuck this is meant to achieve, because it simply pricks your conscience and you feel there's some cause to support. Meanwhile, females across the world get together and either cheer from the stands or get active down on the green stuff and you can't show me one miniscule example of how that will better that.

That's why its simple virtue signalling

pommpey

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

There's Ellen White (footballer) where I get my references and Ellen White (endorser) where you get yours

Again, you conveniently skirt around what the flying fuck this is meant to achieve, because it simply pricks your conscience and you feel there's some cause to support. Meanwhile, females across the world get together and either cheer from the stands or get active down on the green stuff and you can't show me one miniscule example of how that will better that.

That's why its simple virtue signalling

pommpey

I'm happy with that. My conscience is pricked. I feel there is a cause to support. I'm virtue signalling. I'd happily be described as an activist. That's roughly how I see myself. I think of it more like - showing solidarity in order to show solidarity. But, I'm happy with your description.

(The Ellen White MBE thing though, funny as fuck)

 

[Linz]

Maybe they can offer us cheaper/free tickets like they apparently used to in Spain in order to encourage women to attend games? That would be lovely!

Certainly reports like this make it seem like there is a problem in some places with more serious things than hurty words:

'Violated and frightened' - why women need to feel safer at football matches

Her Game Too is highlighting how women can feel intimidated at football matches and how more needs to be done to make them feel safer and included.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm not entirely sure a hashtag is going to make the kind of cunt who believes all women are fair game for a grope think again though.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

 

[Rodders]

I mean, they’re just asking for it with that one

Genius move though - I’m also setting my own initiative up; women send me pics of yourself!! You might have a top on, you might not - it doesn’t matter.

 

[pommpey]

(The Ellen White MBE thing though, funny as fuck)

It's not though. Because she epitomises what females in football are all about. Not just her either. Shitloads of other women who play and support the game. They don't need hastags and bibs and fucking poems to be able to put themselves about for ninety or sit with me and discuss the yays and nays of VAR and Sander Berge (or even the women's team if I can get some vision on the game) I don't watch the women's SUFC team simply because its not a team I can invest time in as much as the mens but I still am glad when they win and am disappointed they aren't as successful recently but that kinda mirrors the mens team doesn't it? However #HerGameToo won't change that. What will is greater engagement at grassroots and more lasses having the choice of rugby, football and cricket as opposed to hockey, netball and rounders. You don't need hastags for that. You just need 'policy'. Having brilliant examples like White and the Lionesses change that, not fluffy KPIs which have nowt to do with muddy pitches up on Concord Park in November and as Linz said, club policy on female hygeine facilities in our stadium. Frankly I am disappointed and somewhat ashamed by that little nugget of information. That is summat where change can be made and it can be measurable.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

I can't see twitter behind MOD firewalls. And to be honest, anyone can use the hashtag shithole that twitter is to forward some or other cause. Remember, Donald Trump used it really well corralling rednecks to storm the Capitol Building.

pommpey

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I can't see twitter behind MOD firewalls. And to be honest, anyone can use the hashtag shithole that twitter is to forward some or other cause. Remember, Donald Trump used it really well corralling rednecks to storm the Capitol Building.

pommpey

"This reply approved by Ellen White MBE Footballer not Ellen White MBE Her Game Too endorser"

 

[Linz]

There's only one other uniquely biologically female thing I can suggest as affecting my matchdays and that would be the lack of breastfeeding facilities.

As some on here will attest to, I wasn't shy at getting them out when Miss F was small (and honestly, never ever received any negative noises about it) but some babies go through stages of being very attached and it would be helpful to have facilities available if new Mums wanted to bring their babes-in-arms to games.

And in the spirit of the thread, this is small at her first league game. She did pre-season from 6 weeks old.