Premier League brings VAR

[Captain2]

The only thing that I cannot tolerate when we arrive back in the Prem is VAR.
Horrendous decisions yet again yesterday, play stopped for bloody ages and then the VAR officials balls it up.
Always remember the decision at Spurs when Lundstroms left bollock was ruled offside.
No VAR in Championship, now that’s proper football ️

 

[1889]

Yeah there’s no VAR team at Stockley Park and endless replays to fall back on for the EFL referees, they are expected to fuck the job up, all on their own and by and large, I’d say that the majority make a pretty good job of it

 

[finlaytheblade]

Yeah there’s no VAR team at Stockley Park and endless replays to fall back on for the EFL referees, they are expected to fuck the job up, all on their own and by and large, I’d say that the majority make a pretty good job of it

Lee Mason that says it all !
he was a crap referee and now gets the job with VAR
How on earth he survived in the premiership god knows,must be liked in high places.

 

[BladeByChoice]

7 months away from our first Premier League match (if we get promoted) and already something to moan about. Just enjoy the ride FFS.

 

[1066blade]

To be honest, there's been lots of shit ref decisions this season, I'd have loved to have VAR to prove these shit refs wrong.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Would I rather have VAR or muppets like Matthew Donohue?

 

[Russ]

VAR shambles yesterday.
Bring back Keith Hackett!

 

[Old Programme seller]

Perhaps I’m beginning to be a conspiracy theorist but VAR never worked in our favour when we were in the Prem. The Brentford v Arsenal match was an horrendous decision at least the penalty we should have had against Wrexham was down to one man and his eyesight. Stockley Park had multiple views and replays. It makes you wonder if VAR has made Referee’s a bit lazy as they don’t have to make the big decisions as they just refer it again nobody is accountable for those bad decisions.

 

[Nade]

Perhaps I’m beginning to be a conspiracy theorist but VAR never worked in our favour when we were in the Prem. The Brentford v Arsenal match was an horrendous decision at least the penalty we should have had against Wrexham was down to one man and his eyesight. Stockley Park had multiple views and replays. It makes you wonder if VAR has made Referee’s a bit lazy as they don’t have to make the big decisions as they just refer it again nobody is accountable for those bad decisions.

Yes, it did.

West Ham has a goal ruled out, Tottenham also had a goal ruled out, Bash has a red card overruled.

I think on the whole we were up on the balance of things, in the first season anyway.

 

[Yewsman]

The problem with VAR is not the system but the tossers who administer/operate it. As Hackett says get rid of Mason for a start but I would get rid of probably all current operators. VAR or equivalent operates and works fine in every other sport that has it or equivalent like Cricket, Rugby, Tennis, athletics so why is the football version so inept? Means that the refs decisions are the correct ones.
VAR was brought in without any proper trials and apparently without proper training for officials. That's why we had the farce of Lundstrams big toe being offside. It is supposed to be Video ASSISTANT REFEREE so get people in to operate in properly.

 

[jt64]

No VAR in Championship, now that’s proper football ️

I do wonder what your reaction would be to Archer scoring a 90th minute winner on Wednesday that's clearly offside would be

That's why we had the farce of Lundstrams big toe being offside

How much ahead of the last defender do you think he should be allowed to be offside? Clearly not a big toe by your post, but how much? A foot? A yard? Harry Maguire's turning circle? Pick an amount.

 

[AnotherBlade]

Yes, it did.

West Ham has a goal ruled out, Tottenham also had a goal ruled out, Bash has a red card overruled.

I think on the whole we were up on the balance of things, in the first season anyway.

We most certainly were not up. Those 3 decisions went our way. It was well documented that at least double that amount didn't and that we were the most fucked over team in the division.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

One of the problems with VAR is that they change the rules to fit in with the dodgy calls. Spending 6 minutes looking to see if somebody's hair is offside? Fuck me, it shouldn't be that way. If a strikers foot is clearly in front when the ball's played that's off. Handball? They change that on a game by game basis.

VAR, goal line technology should have been a good thing, but as we saw against Villa that isn't foolproof either, and whenever they get it wrong, the conspiracy theorists gain more credence.

Non VAR related but listening to Heckys post match interview he mentioned that players gain an advantage by falling down now and it's true. VAR stinks but so does the game with the path it's going down. I live in the States and they all talk about Premier League players diving all over the shop and I have no defence. Problem is, even non league players are doing it now so for me, the game's dying on its arse and VAR's just a contributing factor.

 

[BobblesBlade]

Yeah and don’t forget that goal at Villa we scored that wasn’t allowed.

You could see it on sky tv but they couldn’t at VAR towers. I know the ref said his watch didn’t go off and the goal line technology was not on but I though VAR would have sorted it.

 

[robbiez666]

I personally think VAR has made other referees lazy as well as EPL ones. And when EPL refs step down to do a football league game they aren't used to actually having to make decisions. And linos have been made meaningless. Literally. All they do is run up and down. Don't have to even make calls for offsides anymore. There's no incentive to actually make the big decisions correctly because you won't have to at the top.

I fucking loathe VAR. It ruins the game for me. I stopped celebrating goals last time, because what's the point? You can kind of tell half the time if something might get disallowed in the football league but it could be anything with VAR. Score goal. Wait for 3 minutes to see if it counts. Utterly destroys the joy of going to a football match.

 

[mancunianblade]

Yeah and don’t forget that goal at Villa we scored that wasn’t allowed.

You could see it on sky tv but they couldn’t at VAR towers. I know the ref said his watch didn’t go off and the goal line technology was not on but I though VAR would have sorted it.

The two arent linked. Goal Line Technology has a zero margin for error "lol" so VAR Doesnt cover that, in fairness to everyone Goal Line tech does work and works perfectly so no one rehearses what to do the day the sun doesn't come up. trust it to be us that were the example

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

They need to change the rule to any part of the body been onside and it’s onside

Would be far more goals and get rid of these crackers offsides

 

[ATL Recs]

The only thing that I cannot tolerate when we arrive back in the Prem is VAR.
Horrendous decisions yet again yesterday, play stopped for bloody ages and then the VAR officials balls it up.
Always remember the decision at Spurs when Lundstroms left bollock was ruled offside.
No VAR in Championship, now that’s proper football ️

If we arrive

 

[BobblesBlade]

The two arent linked. Goal Line Technology has a zero margin for error "lol" so VAR Doesnt cover that, in fairness to everyone Goal Line tech does work and works perfectly so no one rehearses what to do the day the sun doesn't come up. trust it to be us that were the example

Yes you are right but why not use VAR to have a look. They could have just rewound sky in a few seconds.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

For 100 million and being able to bring in players (top flight quality or just at all due to the embargo) I'll swallow it. I hate VAR but it's not going away unfortunately.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I do wonder what your reaction would be to Archer scoring a 90th minute winner on Wednesday that's clearly offside would be



How much ahead of the last defender do you think he should be allowed to be offside? Clearly not a big toe by your post, but how much? A foot? A yard? Harry Maguire's turning circle? Pick an amount.

That's an easy question, actually. The laws as written (and they haven't changed) say that level counts as onside, and the guidance ofr officials (which so far as I know hasn't changed) says that level is to be judged by the normal human eye - the (more or less exact) words used were "I a player appears to be level, then he is level". Specifically, they weren't judging to the kneepap.

So for VAR offsides they have two choices.

Choice 1 - keep the law as it is, allow "level" as judged by the naked eye to be onside, and look at offside photos with the naked eye to see if the linesman has made a mistake. Over in 10 seconds, and no more goals disallowed than now.

Choice 2 - change the law so that "level" no longer exists, spend two minutes after every other goal delaying the announcement of the goal, disallow loads of goals which have been legal for years and have no good reason to be disallowed, and make the linesman's job impossible so that he has to delay flagging for some offsides because he can't possibly judge.

Only a football-hating moron would pick option two as better IMO. Why is VAR being run by football-hating morons?

 

[Le Cynique]

That's an easy question, actually. The laws as written (and they haven't changed) say that level counts as onside, and the guidance ofr officials (which so far as I know hasn't changed) says that level is to be judged by the normal human eye - the (more or less exact) words used were "I a player appears to be level, then he is level". Specifically, they weren't judging to the kneepap.

So for VAR offsides they have two choices.

Choice 1 - keep the law as it is, allow "level" as judged by the naked eye to be onside, and look at offside photos with the naked eye to see if the linesman has made a mistake. Over in 10 seconds, and no more goals disallowed than now.

Choice 2 - change the law so that "level" no longer exists, spend two minutes after every other goal delaying the announcement of the goal, disallow loads of goals which have been legal for years and have no good reason to be disallowed, and make the linesman's job impossible so that he has to delay flagging for some offsides because he can't possibly judge.

Only a football-hating moron would pick option two as better IMO. Why is VAR being run by football-hating morons?

This. VAR is a tool, and a tool that could and should be useful. That morons are misusing it doesn’t mean that it’s the tool that is flawed, in the same way that if I went out and brained someone with a hammer, DIY tools shouldn’t then be banned.

 

[Captain2]

If we arrive

Ye of little faith, of course we will!And in style

 

[Working Class Hero]

This. VAR is a tool, and a tool that could and should be useful. That morons are misusing it doesn’t mean that it’s the tool that is flawed, in the same way that if I went out and brained someone with a hammer, DIY tools shouldn’t then be banned.

Without the tool though, at least the morons would be giving an instant decision and not ruining the game.

Now we've just got the same morons taking 6 minutes to check every goal on a telly, while we wait to know if we've scored.

 

[Le Cynique]

Without the tool though, at least the morons would be giving an instant decision and not ruining the game.

Now we've just got the same morons taking 6 minutes to check every goal on a telly, while we wait to know if we've scored.

Oh, don’t get me wrong. I think that dissecting a ref’s performance in the pub after the game is as much part of football as what happens on the pitch, but I think that people decrying VAR are focusing their ire in the wrong area.

 

[Yewsman]

I do wonder what your reaction would be to Archer scoring a 90th minute winner on Wednesday that's clearly offside would be



How much ahead of the last defender do you think he should be allowed to be offside? Clearly not a big toe by your post, but how much? A foot? A yard? Harry Maguire's turning circle? Pick an amount.

That’s why it should have been trialled first. VAR was never accurate enough to give an offside decision on a matter of an inch or two. The reason is it cannot detect exactly when the ball leaves the player’s foot who plays it through nor where the player judged to be offside is as he is running full tilt and the video relies on individual frames. Also what part of a players body counts. This should all have been sorted out in trials. I understand this has now been modified.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

I’d rather we were reffed by that twat from the Swansea game, and that twat from the Wrexham replay, every week for the rest of my life than put up with VAR, even once, ever again.

 

[dsr-burnley]

That’s why it should have been trialled first. VAR was never accurate enough to give an offside decision on a matter of an inch or two. The reason is it cannot detect exactly when the ball leaves the player’s foot who plays it through nor where the player judged to be offside is as he is running full tilt and the video relies on individual frames. Also what part of a players body counts. This should all have been sorted out in trials. I understand this has now been modified.

Have they even defined what "when the ball is played" means? Typically when the ball is played it is in contact with the player's boot for about 1/100th of a second. Beraing in mind that a player can move 6 inches (at least, his front or back foot can) in 1/100th of a second, it is vital - if VAR is to be interpreted as strictly as it is - that they define exactly what they mean.

And then all they need to do is to prove that the technology is working on the exact 1/100th of a second or better when they look at the picture. If they can't do that, then they need to go back to the old "human eye" test of level.

 

[JJBlade]

Have they even defined what "when the ball is played" means? Typically when the ball is played it is in contact with the player's boot for about 1/100th of a second. Beraing in mind that a player can move 6 inches (at least, his front or back foot can) in 1/100th of a second, it is vital - if VAR is to be interpreted as strictly as it is - that they define exactly what they mean.

And then all they need to do is to prove that the technology is working on the exact 1/100th of a second or better when they look at the picture. If they can't do that, then they need to go back to the old "human eye" test of level.

They can't do that, it's impossible which makes the whole sordid business even more ridiculous.
You quite rightly say the ball is in contact with the passing players foot for 1/100th of a second, but even that depends on the type of pass.
A cushioned pass is several hundredths of a second more than a stabbing prodded pass, and VAR certainly can't tell the difference between which one was used, and neither can a stupid referee.

 

[djbaldken]

They need to change the rule to any part of the body been onside and it’s onside

Would be far more goals and get rid of these crackers offsides

Fuck me!!!!!!!! I'm going for a lay down.
NURSE. NURSE. NURSE.
Fallowfield has just spoken sense for the first time in his life.

FACT.