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Time Keeping

A big electronic clock display like other sports in the ground that stops when the ball is not in play all the fans know exactly how much time is left. When it eventually reaches 45 minutes it’s half time and when it shows 90 that’s the game over. No more fiddling to favour anyone

VAR (personally think it should go) but if it remains

It needs to go down the cricket route.
Use it for penalties/ offside and of course we should already have goal line tech when it’s switched on unlike the day at Villa Park
A screen and audio description for all fans and rapid decisions that way total transparency

Let’s Have ex players not connected to the teams involved doing VAR
 

originaltrueblade said:
Time Keeping

A big electronic clock display like other sports in the ground that stops when the ball is not in play all the fans know exactly how much time is left. When it eventually reaches 45 minutes it’s half time and when it shows 90 that’s the game over. No more fiddling to favour anyone

VAR (personally think it should go) but if it remains

It needs to go down the cricket route.
Use it for penalties/ offside and of course we should already have goal line tech when it’s switched on unlike the day at Villa Park
A screen and audio description for all fans and rapid decisions that way total transparency

Let’s Have ex players not connected to the teams involved doing VAR
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Said for years this is how it should work. Refereeing in rugby is miles ahead of football, there's lots of learnings that can be taken.
 
originaltrueblade said:
A big electronic clock display like other sports in the ground that stops when the ball is not in play all the fans know exactly how much time is left. When it eventually reaches 45 minutes it’s half time and when it shows 90 that’s the game over. No more fiddling to favour anyone
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All well and good but each game would last about 3 hours 🙃 I agree with the premise. Maybe we shorten each half to 30 minutes in-play
 
Bladedog said:
Agree it needs an independent timekeeper
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Or a timekeeper together from both teams involved that would certainly be fair as both would watch each other. Or two officials from both clubs involved on the day with the independent time keeper
 
Bladedog said:
Agree it needs an independent timekeeper
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Or a timekeeper together from both teams involved that would certainly be fair as both would watch each other.
Or two officials from both clubs involved on the day with the independent time keeper
 
Wards said:
All well and good but each game would last about 3 hours 🙃 I agree with the premise. Maybe we shorten each half to 30 minutes in-play
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Which makes the new added time directives even more baffling - because we know it's not a true representation of the number of stoppages/amount of time the ball's out of play...so how is it decided? It's influenced by which team is losing and who is the home team etc. Get rid of the subjective grey areas and give me 30 mins and a stop clock, or the old system where added time is 2 mins for halftime and 4 mins for fulltime give or take a couple.
 
The Premier League at the start of the season said they expected games on AVERAGE to be 101 minutes and 49 seconds. This is from The Athletic before the season started:

Is getting tough on time-wasting not a more sensible approach?​

That is very much a two-pronged attack that will be rolled out this season, with the Premier League eager to attack this problem at its root. The dark arts might be applauded by a team clinging on for a victory but a slow decline in the minutes played is a creeping concern.

Too many players use stoppages as a chance to draw life out of a contest, using additional seconds to take goal kicks or throw-ins. It can be blatant and it can be subtle but it is time wasting all the same.

The Premier League will take a more robust approach this season, empowering referees to take action against those deliberately delaying the resumption of play. Expect more yellow cards for those pushing the boundaries and there will be a call for consistency across the season to ensure this is not a fad to be forgotten by time Autumn is upon us.

Again that was evident in the opening weekend of the Championship campaign, where eight players were cautioned for time wasting across the 12 games.

There will also be an emphasis on players going down injured and, where appropriate, them being asked to leave the field of play for treatment.

The Premier League have other ways of keeping play moving, too. The multi-ball system, introduced last season for the first time, will be retained in 2023-24, with nine balls (up from eight) positioned around the pitch, as well as the one in play.

Supporters in the stadium will also be able to get a better understanding of how much additional team is being played this season. IFAB guidelines had previously stated that stadium clocks should stop on the 45 and 90-minute mark but that has now been relaxed in a bid to help improve transparency for match-going supporters.
 
originaltrueblade said:
No need to do that just look at Rugby
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Comparing apples with oranges I'm afraid.

A ball in football is 'in-play' for an average of 27 minutes per half or thereabouts (assuming two sides not timewasting). Working on the premise we run a stop-clock to the full 45 means each half we'd essentially be extending each half to 75 minutes. Stick your 15 minutes half time on and you'd be approaching 165 minutes (or 2h45m) for a full game assuming there are no major stoppages.

Too much maths on a Monday morning :)
 
The stop clock method has been done to death for many reasons why it can’t be done and is unrealistic. Again, the rules are not the issue here it’s the application and (lack of) consistency which is the root of the problem.

Added time is a definitely a tricky one to be accurate but it sure as hell shouldn’t be 12 mins in our game vs 4 mins in the Everton arsenal game. That’s where it’s nonsense
 
blader said:
The stop clock method has been done to death for many reasons why it can’t be done and is unrealistic. Again, the rules are not the issue here it’s the application and (lack of) consistency which is the root of the problem.

Added time is a definitely a tricky one to be accurate but it sure as hell shouldn’t be 12 mins in our game vs 4 mins in the Everton arsenal game. That’s where it’s nonsense
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I wonder if Spurs had scored in the 80th and 82nd minutes, we'd still have had 12mins+ of stoppage time? And if not, why not?
 
The problem as I see it, with the "stop the clock" idea is that a LOT of "timewasting" in football is done somewhat smartly, without the ball ever being "dead." Keepers who theatrically throw themselves to the floor on the ball after waiting 20 seconds for a striker to close them down, then waste another 10 or so bouncing the ball, marching from one side of the area to the other etc. This can easily add 5 minutes to a half if it's done a lot.

The 10-15 seconds it can take for a long throw specialist who plays at LCB to jog forward to take one late on in a game. Do that 4 times and it's another minute. Just from that there's 6 minutes in a fairly "average" half of football.

Having calmed down significantly since Saturday, and watched extended highlights, I can see how we basically brought about our own demise. The new rules around timewasting/added time, plus the fitness factor of the top teams with benches full of internationals, is always going to go against the smaller, more limited sides.

I'm not sure whatever happened to the "6 second rule" for goalkeepers, but could bringing it back be a solution? It's an easy split-second decision for a ref to make. Keeper has the ball in his hands, it's obvious whether he's "hurt" or not, so if he's not the ref looks at his watch and if the ball isn't back in motion after 6 seconds it's an indirect FK. Dunno if it would work, I'm just thinking out loud.

Edit for further ramblings...is there a defined list anywhere of which incidents get time added on by the ref? If there is, then that could be a solution to the idea of stopping the clock. Stop it when the ball hits the net, and restart it when the kickoff takes place. Stop it when the ref signals for a sub, and restart again once the ball is kicked. Could the stadium clock even be linked to the ref's watch? So the ref stops the clock and everyone can see when he has done it, for fouls, free kicks, penalties etc.

Think there has to be something better than what can at times seem like the arbitrary idea of one person about how much should be added.
 
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blader said:
The stop clock method has been done to death for many reasons why it can’t be done and is unrealistic. Again, the rules are not the issue here it’s the application and (lack of) consistency which is the root of the problem.

Added time is a definitely a tricky one to be accurate but it sure as hell shouldn’t be 12 mins in our game vs 4 mins in the Everton arsenal game. That’s where it’s nonsense
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Yes. They come up with a time somehow so must have some time of stop clock that they start in some circumstances and not in others.
So let's have some visibility of what this rule actually is. Then have the big displayed stopclock as whatever the 4th official or whoever is using.
Even if it is bollocks , people can see what it is and keep track of it going up..
 
Wards said:
All well and good but each game would last about 3 hours 🙃 I agree with the premise. Maybe we shorten each half to 30 minutes in-play
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It should at least save some time in that there would be no point in time wasting.
 
Last season though Hecky and us fans were all complaining about teams coming to the Lane and time wasting after 10 minutes, and that something should be done about it.
 
I’ve said this about VAR in the past and I haven’t changed my mind.

VAR should monitor the game but stay out of decisions all together, Each team has 1 VAR call per half where they can ask for a decision to be looked at, if the team is correct and the referee is wrong, they get another call, if the referee was right they get no more calls.
 
Wards said:
All well and good but each game would last about 3 hours 🙃 I agree with the premise. Maybe we shorten each half to 30 minutes in-play
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So don’t you like watching football, then?
Could live with 40 minute halves, if we actually got to see 40 mins of football each half.
 
How many times has the opposition at Bramall Lane set up to be defensive/park the bus time wasting owt faining injury, players go down as if they have been shot but no one near them etc..to top the lot we get panned for for do all that against Spurs.go 1-0 up then the ref plays over 100 min until the final whistle. did the referee allow all that extra time so Tottenham could get a couple of goals to win?.or was it our fault/ bad defending or crap referee/linesmen? .dammed if you do dammed if you don,t.
Hecky is correct the match officials are spoiling the game. In my humble opinion.sorry if I have put this on the wrong thread.
 
BladeByChoice said:
I’ve said this about VAR in the past and I haven’t changed my mind.

VAR should monitor the game but stay out of decisions all together, Each team has 1 VAR call per half where they can ask for a decision to be looked at, if the team is correct and the referee is wrong, they get another call, if the referee was right they get no more calls.
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Basically what the NBA does with coaches challenge. Its worked well for them so far for them.
 
Heely bottoms underpants said:
EPL football is incredibly frustrating, so called technology has fucked it right up, other than the financial gains ( which is everything in today's game) I much prefer the Championship.
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Not me. I’m sick of playing Millwall, Hull, Preston, Cardiff and other middling non-entities. At least in the Prem we can imagine we’re part of something elite.
 
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