chris porter

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He scored over 20 for Oldham one season. Surely we're a better side than they were...

It's entirely possible. :)
 
Service is the key - if he gets the right kind of ball in (like the play off semi) he will score goals.
For that we will need wide midfielders/overlapping fullbacks with pace that can deliver a decent cross
He is not going to outstrip a defender from the halfway line but can contribute at least a dozen if supplied properly.

He is going into this season without a serious injury hampering his progress so I fully expect him to deliver the goods this time, given a run of first team action.
 
Favourite to be next seasons top scorer really????? i was hoping he'd be a bench warmer.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-1/top-goalscorer

As I said in another thread, the bookies have basically looked at the current team lists for the teams in league 1 and said "which players have we heard of?". Then to cover their backs and like bookies always do "try and make as much money for themselves" have offered low odds for Porter and Cresswell knowing for a fact that their odds should be higher. But how often do you see a bookie give good value on football odds? Even the match day odds offered in grounds are poorer that if you went online or to a branch of the same bookie.

If you want true odds for a player, go to Betfair and see what odds are being offered. At the moment there is no money in the market but this should change just before the season KO.

Finally, nowadays Betfair (customers) sets the true odds, not the bookies.
 
Service is the key - if he gets the right kind of ball in (like the play off semi) he will score goals.
For that we will need wide midfielders/overlapping fullbacks with pace that can deliver a decent cross
He is not going to outstrip a defender from the halfway line but can contribute at least a dozen if supplied properly.

He is going into this season without a serious injury hampering his progress so I fully expect him to deliver the goods this time, given a run of first team action.

respectfully,

if he gets the right kind of ball like the semi - unmarked headers 3 yards out?
for that we will need wide midfielders/overlapping full backs with pace that can deliver a decent cross - we just sold the only one of those we had to Villa, who coincidentally put the semi final cross in.

being injury free is not, in my view, a reason for someone who has looked low quality since we signed him to deliver the goods.

i never joined the Ched haters because it was plain to see he'd come good and had natural ability. i dont think Chris Porter has natural ability and whilst id be delighted to be proved wrong, i dont see him getting to double figures unless he's the penalty taker.
 
As I said in another thread, the bookies have basically looked at the current team lists for the teams in league 1 and said "which players have we heard of?". Then to cover their backs and like bookies always do "try and make as much money for themselves" have offered low odds for Porter and Cresswell knowing for a fact that their odds should be higher. But how often do you see a bookie give good value on football odds? Even the match day odds offered in grounds are poorer that if you went online or to a branch of the same bookie.

If you want true odds for a player, go to Betfair and see what odds are being offered. At the moment there is no money in the market but this should change just before the season KO.

Finally, nowadays Betfair (customers) sets the true odds, not the bookies.
well from what i saw last night young Cofie has a better chance then porter, i think i have more chance of being top scorer than porter, feel sorry for him because he tries hard but he just hasn't got it.
 
i never joined the Ched haters because it was plain to see he'd come good and had natural ability. i dont think Chris Porter has natural ability and whilst id be delighted to be proved wrong, i dont see him getting to double figures unless he's the penalty taker.

Before last season (after about five games into his return - e.g. he was utter shite against Charlton at home) Ched never looked like he could even hit a cows arse with a banjo when playing for us.
He was constantly getting in offside positions or made runs to the near post when it was a far post ball and vice versa. He was slow and lethargic, looked brainless most of the time and didn't appear to read the game at all well. He couldn't control the ball closely enough, lost possession consistently, never beat a man for pace and showed none of the desire and hunger he showed when he hit his rich vein of form last season. Now that may have been a lot to do with confidence or style of play before DW took over the reigns at BDTBL but don't tell me he looked like a natural finisher or showed any sign of outstanding natural ability before that - it is simply just not the case from the evidence presented at the time.

By the way I was delighted to be proved wrong about Ched last season and I sincerely hope his appeal gets him back out of prison and into football again - whereever that may be for him.
 
Sorry Ken, I agree with Sdp here. I remember having many a discussion with you about Ched and I was confident he'd come good with a manager who knew how to use him.

Crisp shot, fairly athletic and a fair touch even when presented to him at chest level 9 out of 10 balls. He did look lethargic, his positioning was confusing and his decision making was very poor. He also gave up too easily and had a poor attitude... BUT, these were all endemic of his managers at the Lane to that date. Even Speedo.
 
Sorry Ken, I agree with Sdp here. I remember having many a discussion with you about Ched and I was confident he'd come good with a manager who knew how to use him.

Crisp shot, fairly athletic and a fair touch even when presented to him at chest level 9 out of 10 balls. He did look lethargic, his positioning was confusing and his decision making was very poor. He also gave up too easily and had a poor attitude... BUT, these were all endemic of his managers at the Lane to that date. Even Speedo.

I think you have proved my point there Houso - we all believed he had the right pedigree and the price tag at the time reflected that but the empirical evidence on show in a Blades shirt was completely contrary to the promise & potential. If he had come good straight away (can't always blame the manager or style since a good player is a good player no matter what system is being played - at least the basics should be on show and you listed the ones he wasn't showing) then I might have had some sympathy with his case. However, all he has proven, apart from some glimpses of potential when on loan at Norwich, was that he was far too good for third division bobbar. If he had shown the class when he first came to the club he would have probably fired us back into the Premiership - but he didn't. I would agree that a lot of my frustration with him was down to the level of expectation I had in his ability to perform.

Maybe it's motivation, maybe it's confidence, maybe he played well last season 'cos he had something ominous hanging over him and football was a blessed relief from the dread and anguish of what was haunting him. Maybe he wasn't fit enough before and his mind was restricting his performances during his rehabilitation. That's all well and good, but there are a lot more people than you might imagine who probably have sufficient ability to become a pro footballer but they lack the mental strength and will to achieve against the odds and deliver. My main gripe with Ched at the time was that he showed none of this spirit and didn't appear to have the intelect to realise what he needed to do.
 
respectfully,

if he gets the right kind of ball like the semi - unmarked headers 3 yards out?
for that we will need wide midfielders/overlapping full backs with pace that can deliver a decent cross - we just sold the only one of those we had to Villa, who coincidentally put the semi final cross in.

being injury free is not, in my view, a reason for someone who has looked low quality since we signed him to deliver the goods.

If Porter keeps his goals to starts ratio from last seaon, stays fit and a first choice he should be scoring 15-18 goals this season.
 
If Porter keeps his goals to starts ratio from last seaon, stays fit and a first choice he should be scoring 15-18 goals this season.

All them sub appearances distort the stats. he's barely started and he's barely scored. i hope he proves me wrong, truly i do, but he's not good enough to play for us and we can do a lot, lot better.

David Nugent, 1 goal in 1 for England. if he started as many games as Wayne Rooney.... :)
 
He scored none as a sub. He scored 8 in his 24 starts last season.
8 goals in 24 starts. up top for the top scorers in England, alongside a player who was playing at a level way below his ability. hardly setting the world alight.

i dont see why he's going to get 15-18 goals when the team is weaker, but we shall see i suppose.
 
Which is a very poor haul indeed.o_O

Is this sarcasm? 1 in 3 for a target man/supporting striker is not prolific but it's hardly a bad return.

8 goals in 24 starts. up top for the top scorers in England, alongside a player who was playing at a level way below his ability. hardly setting the world alight.

i dont see why he's going to get 15-18 goals when the team is weaker, but we shall see i suppose.

Porter last season was used as a supporting striker, and will be again this season. At his ratio from last season he could have reached 18 goals, but I think anything between 10-15 for a supporting striker is a decent return if the striker he is supporting scores 17-20+. He's there to win headers, hold the ball up, work defenders and get chances for other attacking players, aswell as chipping in with a reasonable share of goals.

He's not blessed with technical ability, but he can contribute heavily this season if he performs like he did in the games against Stevenage and Huddersfield in the playoffs on a more regular basis in my opinion.
 



DazBlade88 I'd add that in the Huddersfield game, Porter won more in the air in his first 10 minutes on the pitch than Cresswell had in the previous 70. If Porter can work on his game when we don't have the ball - one of Cresswell's strengths - then he'll be a first choice.

I also think that Porter has more technical ability than a lot on here give him credit for; I remember him beating a couple of players away at Colchester then putting Quinn away down the line with a great backheel. However, he is let down by his first touch which is pretty woeful.
 
I think if we're looking for Porter to score 35 goals then we're looking at the wrong man, so comparisons with Ched will never be fair. Ched was technically a very good player as he eventually proved and was more of an all rounder - pace, power and the ability to make the right runs and pick a pass. He was also a finisher. Porter isn't such a talent.

What I expect from Porter is 8-15 goals. Nothing spectactular, but to come in at the right games. A similar tally to Cresswell will be right for him. He needs to be the workhorse.

I expect that between Cresswell, Porter, Cofie and the fringe strikers we should be looking to get 40-50 goals. This needs to be followed up with a good share from Midfield - Quinn, Macca, I'm looking at you!

The problem and also the benefit that we had up front last season was that we relied on the first choice XI too much. This worked to our benefit as it got Ched & Cresswell working a partnership which blossomed. The result was a major goals share for the pairing (albeit with Ched getting a huge percentage of team goals). I would always prefer this strategy to start and finish with your strongest XI. The problem was, as we found, was that the fringe players like Porter, Flynn, BT, Hoskins etc were never ready to hit the ground running when they got their chance.

We need a better balance and less reliance on individuals, but to also get a well drilled, gelled team, so that when different players come in the team can adapt to different styles.

Porter, whilst we can't play his way every game, should be useful for a dozen goals, but that means he needs supply and games. Replacing a potent 35 goal striker in the formn of his life with a striker struggling for match fitness and goals is not the right balance.
 

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