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[Dkc]

Newcastle has the Metro Centre on its doorstep which is bigger then Meadowhall

Newcastle also has Eldon Square which is very similar in size to Meadowhall

Manchester has two larger malls than Meadowhall, the Trafford Centre and the Arndale

Birmingham has the Bullring and Merry Hill which are both bigger than Meadowhall

Liverpool One is larger than Meadowhall

Cardiff has St David's which is very similar in size to Meadowhall

Edinburgh has St James which is larger than Meadowhall

Leicester has Highcross which is only slightly smaller than Meadowhall

Glasgow has the Silverburn Centre and the East Kilbride Centre, both of which are not much smaller than Meadowhall, plus St Enoch Centre which is about two thirds the size of Meadowhall.

Leeds has three major shopping malls, Trinity, White Rose Centre, and the Merrion Centre, all of which are approximately three quarters the size of Meadowhall

Peterborough has Queensgate,

Belfast has Victoria Square

Southampton has Westquay

There are 12 shopping malls in the UK which are larger than Meadowhall

There is another dozen which are similar in size, and another 20 that are around 60-75% the size of Meadowhall

Sheffield took a harder fall than most of these cities in the 80s. It was never a particularly rich city, even when the steel and coal industries were booming. As the most 'anti-Tory' city of the 80s, with the NUM headquarters and no winnable seats for the Tories apart from one, it was never likely to get many crumbs from central government. Labour didn't do the city many favours either. And it has to be said that the council has made many poor decisions that have contributed to the decline of the city centre.

Current high poverty levels and the rise of online shopping mean that town won't be full of high end retail in the foreseeable future. The council recognises this, hence the consolidation of retail on The Moor and the rise of city centre living and retail.

Physically the city centre is miles ahead of what it looked like in the 80's. Apart from Castlegate (and possibly Moorfoot) the public space and buildings are okay. The Heart of the City area will look fantastic when it's finIshed..

As long as the number of people living in the city centre continues to grow, I don't think the future is all doom and gloom

 

[JJBlade]

Gotta compliment you on your encyclopedic knowledge of shopping malls. Will you do outdoor markets next please?

Just useless bits of information you pick up when you've visited most of them

It's better having a bit of knowledge than saying "No other city in Britain could have a succesful city centre with such a large shopping mall"

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

They won't find him out but might find out who bought the ticket and ban them. It will be on the system somewhere that a ticket has been used twice.

The ticket isn't used twice. It gets scanned like yours does but 2 people squeeze through the turnstile at the same time.I know who it is. Has no shame in doing it either. It's similar to when a mate worked on turnstile and would tap you through for nowt or just a couple of quid in his pocket.

I've seen parents carry young kids through but always turned round and scanned that ticket as well. I've done it. My daughter was wary of going through the turnstile alone (she was 3) so I picked her up and walked through on my ticket. I passed her ticket to the fella behind me so it registered and he just rolled the turnstile. I didn't actually need to considering I'd paid for her anyway but I did.

 

[Westran]

Just a couple of recent pieces of literature to chuck into the 'Sheffield is shit' argument

Sheffield 2nd best city break in Europe

The 18 best city breaks in Europe for 2023

Where to cram in the best food, nightlife and culture in one whistlestop weekend.

www.timeout.com

Reasons to be cheerful, one, two, three.

Reasons to be cheerful, one, two, three

Plus, which Sheffield neighbourhood is the country’s most trusting?

www.sheffieldtribune.co.uk

The tribune article is a good local insight, particularly on the progress being made in the city centre, and how our plan to not create a shopping quarter has helped us dodge a bullet in comparison to other cities, we'll have a city centre focused on entertainment venues, whereas other cities will need to adjust their existing shopping quarters to counter the downturn in in-person retail.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Foxy -not that I expect you to know but have you an update on this at all? Have the sanctions put in place seen a change in attitude from supporters or are the problems still persisting? Is it still being monitored? What's the end point?

 

[Foxy]

Foxy -not that I expect you to know but have you an update on this at all? Have the sanctions put in place seen a change in attitude from supporters or are the problems still persisting? Is it still being monitored? What's the end point?

email from club - NO MORE TICKETS ON SALE IN KOP - standing & wrong seat usage

I keep seeing Nottingham mentioned as "leaving Sheffield behind" as well, which must just be typical Sheffield pessimism, because Sheffield is well ahead of Nottingham on most things. Nottingham city centre now reminds me of Sheffield city centre from 20-odd years ago (or more) with shops...

www.s24su.com

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

email from club - NO MORE TICKETS ON SALE IN KOP - standing & wrong seat usage

I keep seeing Nottingham mentioned as "leaving Sheffield behind" as well, which must just be typical Sheffield pessimism, because Sheffield is well ahead of Nottingham on most things. Nottingham city centre now reminds me of Sheffield city centre from 20-odd years ago (or more) with shops...

www.s24su.com

Fair enough. I get it, but I'd have thought a more reasonable way would be warnings. Warnings of increased stewarding and why. Warnings that if this continued, tickets would no longer be on sale. Warnings that anyone caught on camera stood in a gangway that was somehow identified (in any way) would be banned for a set number of games. Police (we know there's enough of em and they aren't required outside in number while the game is on) in those problematic areas/zones. People will take the piss with stewards but less so with police. And anyone arrested at a football ground is likely to face a ban anyway.

Seemed a bit of a harsh step in my opinion to just outright stop sales.

But again, that's me. Maybe the club couldn't negotiate any terms like I mentioned. Who knows?

 

[Champagneblade]

So, we're now under embargo.

6 home games have passed since the announcement.

2k tickets unable to be sold at say 25 quid. So 50k per game. A cool 300,000 of lost revenue at a time we are being placed under embargo. You might argue a marginally lower ticket average but with spending in the ground also impacted it's probably higher.

To SAG or whichever group we are liaising with, how long do we have to be on the naughty step and lose potential revenue?

To those refusing to adhere to the rules of the stadium by not sitting in your allocated seat, congregating in more than one seat and blocking gangways (note, not standing in your own seat when match action dictates), was it worth it?

We're now losing thousands of pounds because of this. Nine more home games to come. So that would be a further potential 450,000 of lost revenue if this does not get resolved.

Imagine struggling under embargo to make player payments, for whatever reason, and the actions of your own fans are costing you towards 750,000 lost revenue.

We should be filling Bramall Lane to the rafters with the run we're on, edging towards a 30k second tier average. But we can't until this gets resolved.

Hopefully this can be fixed very soon and fans realise there are consequences to the actions we take when in Bramall Lane.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So, we're now under embargo.

6 home games have passed since the announcement.

2k tickets unable to be sold at say 25 quid. So 50k per game. A cool 300,000 of lost revenue at a time we are being placed under embargo. You might argue a marginally lower ticket average but with spending in the ground also impacted it's probably higher.

To SAG or whichever group we are liaising with, how long do we have to be on the naughty step and lose potential revenue?

To those refusing to adhere to the rules of the stadium by not sitting in your allocated seat, congregating in more than one seat and blocking gangways (note, not standing in your own seat when match action dictates), was it worth it?

We're now losing thousands of pounds because of this. Nine more home games to come. So that would be a further potential 450,000 of lost revenue if this does not get resolved.

Imagine struggling under embargo to make player payments, for whatever reason, and the actions of your own fans are costing you towards 750,000 lost revenue.

We should be filling Bramall Lane to the rafters with the run we're on, edging towards a 30k second tier average. But we can't until this gets resolved.

Hopefully this can be fixed very soon and fans realise there are consequences to the actions we take when in Bramall Lane.

Considering the gates were still getting you haven’t taken into account Kop fans who now sit elsewhere. How many? Who knows but it’s hard to place a financial cost using a fag packet calculator and not taking into account restricted view tickets not normally used anyway.

 

[Champagneblade]

Considering the gates were still getting you haven’t taken into account Kop fans who now sit elsewhere. How many? Who knows but it’s hard to place a financial cost using a fag packet calculator and not taking into account restricted view tickets not normally used anyway.

But you’ve also got to take into account the increasing likelihood of more fans wanting to come and support a successful team.

You haven’t taken that into account when saying I haven’t taken into account the fans who sit elsewhere.

You have to take into account that I may have already taken that into account.

 

[madeinsheffield]

Considering the gates were still getting you haven’t taken into account Kop fans who now sit elsewhere. How many? Who knows but it’s hard to place a financial cost using a fag packet calculator and not taking into account restricted view tickets not normally used anyway.

They're all on BL Upper, getting really busy on there

 

[nopigfansintown]

We are fetting really healthy figures for the second tier all season. Probably more than we budgeted for.

 

[S64 Blade]

The number of fans, no longer attending due to stubbornness of being of not being on the Kop, is probably negated by people sitting on the other stands; all of which are more expensive to sit on.

 

[Sean Thornton]

They're all on BL Upper, getting really busy on there

Has the price of marching powder gone up or down?

 

[biggiesablade]

Has the price of marching powder gone up or down?

Dusty bashed shit steady around 40 a g
Flake at 90

 

[BushBlade]

Imagine struggling under embargo to make player payments, for whatever reason, and the actions of your own fans are costing you towards 750,000 lost revenue.

Imagine being so inept at running a football club that you don’t know how to deal with such a fundamental problem.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Imagine being so inept at running a football club that you don’t know how to deal with such a fundamental problem.

Imagine thinking the embargo is stopping us making player payments when it’s not making player payments that has led to the embargo.

 

[BushBlade]

Imagine thinking the embargo is stopping us making player payments when it’s not making player payments that has led to the embargo.

Indeed but who thinks that?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Indeed but who thinks that?

Look at the post you quoted.

 

[BushBlade]

Look at the post you quoted.

That’s not how I interpreted it. It’s not my post and I don’t want to put words in someone’s mouth but I read it as, if we were getting more revenue, we’d have more money to pay whatever it is we haven't paid.

 

[Sean Thornton]

That’s not how I interpreted it. It’s not my post and I don’t want to put words in someone’s mouth but I read it as, if we were getting more revenue, we’d have more money to pay whatever it is we haven't paid.

It’s how it reads.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Fans may have moved elsewhere from the kop but with sold out away allocations we'd be getting well over 30k - 31k instead of 29k if things were as normal.

 

[shorehamview]

….with spending in the ground also impacted it's probably higher.….

Spending on what? All money spent on food and drink on the concourses goes to Compass, the club don’t see any of it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Spending on what? All money spent on food and drink on the concourses goes to Compass, the club don’t see any of it.

Here we go, fucking facts……..

 

[Jon Bon II]

Feel free to leave lad, reckon it’d be less of a ‘backwards shithole’ if you did

I left 8 years ago and it's even more of a backwards shit hole now. It's got worse.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Spending on what? All money spent on food and drink on the concourses goes to Compass, the club don’t see any of it.

Which is why United couldn't care less how bad it is or how inept the staff are.

 

[shorehamview]

Which is why United couldn't care less how bad it is or how inept the staff are.

I sometimes wonder if United put adverts out for Compass.

”Want a job where being a fuckwit is actually preferable? Call this number….”

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I sometimes wonder if United put adverts out for Compass.

”Want a job where being a fuckwit is actually preferable? Call this number….”

Don't know if you actually saw the posts I made where I actually applied for a job at compass at Lane, but I did.

False name. No mobile number. Just left school. No CV or references other than parents. No previous job experience.

"Come for a face to face at Bramall Lane on the x of x. It will be 3 hours long. Bring ID."

They literally invited someone who had no experience doing anything. When I responded with "when will I be trained" (with no punctuation for added effect) 'you will be trained on the day itself'. I don't know if they meant that 3 hour face to face or match day. I know that job isn't difficult but it just goes to show you why they're so shit. They're literally learning in one of the busiest roles there is while doing it. Can't be easy for some kid to do. And I don't suppose the face to face training would be exactly fast paced.

'customer would like a sausage roll, a tea and 2 bags of crisps'

The time limit on that should be 45 seconds at an absolute maximum. For maximum efficiency, there should be one ringing the till while the other fetches. Simple.

 

[Tom Bott]

All money spent on food and drink on the concourses goes to Compass, the club don’t see any of it.

Apart from the lease or rental payment that Compass pays to the club.

The lease payment may vary, subject to the number of fans attending.

Though the above is all pure guesswork by myself.

 

[Champagneblade]

Imagine thinking the embargo is stopping us making player payments when it’s not making player payments that has led to the embargo.

At which point did I suggest the embargo stopped us making payments? I didn't. Not what the post was alluding to.

"Imagine struggling under embargo to make player payments, for whatever reason, and the actions of your own fans are costing you towards 750,000 lost revenue."

Put a comma in there if it makes it easier to understand.

We are not making payments on time ✓
We are under embargo ✓
We need revenue to lift the embargo ✓
We have a situation ongoing which potentially curtails revenue opportunity✓