Lowton to Villa £3m

[Grecian2000]

Bugger, I was going to go with Deane and Fjortoft. Damn you, bigger Blades.

It's only Jimmy Hagans complete refusal to sign for the pigs that means this circus doesn't go back before even the real elder statesmen on here.

 

[metalblade]

It's only Jimmy Hagans complete refusal to sign for the pigs that means this circus doesn't go back before even the real elder statesmen on here.

Jones & Birchenhall

 

[davidpinder]

I know a lot of people are disappointed and i am to but we can not turn down 3m for a defender when we are in league one, we need to get the wage bill down and it would be nice if DW gets a bit to bring in a few players.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I know a lot of people are disappointed and i am to but we can not turn down 3m for a defender when we are in league one, we need to get the wage bill down and it would be nice if DW gets a bit to bring in a few players.

We wouldn't have turned down that sort of money in the Championship, let alone League 1.

 

[Bladesway]

The problem is, we have to wait and see how much goes back into the team. Most of us actually know the answer starts with a 0 and ends with a 0.

By the time everyone has realised that actually nothing will go back into the first team (it never has) its too late and we are mid table with our "conveyor belt of young talent" playing at higher levels.

Just a thought. Had we kept Walker, Naughton etc would we be better off financially than we are right now. And would that difference offset the losses we have made? I have a theory that a club that sells its best players continually NEVER becomes better off financially because of it. For starters, had we kept the Kyles would we be in the Championship pushing for a play off spot or relegated? I'll not include Jags in this because it was in his contract but a selling club acts like a disease. The players know they aren't there for long if they are any good and it breeds within. First offer, off they go. No one actually benefits because the club slides down the leagues and almost always ends up worse off than it started.

I'm amazed no super blade football chairman have ever studied that theory or at least stumbled across it. Mind you if lining your own pockets is what it is all about..........

 

[Darren]

The problem is, we have to wait and see how much goes back into the team. Most of us actually know the answer starts with a 0 and ends with a 0.

By the time everyone has realised that actually nothing will go back into the first team (it never has) its too late and we are mid table with our "conveyor belt of young talent" playing at higher levels.

Just a thought. Had we kept Walker, Naughton etc would we be better off financially than we are right now. And would that difference offset the losses we have made? I have a theory that a club that sells its best players continually NEVER becomes better off financially because of it. For starters, had we kept the Kyles would we be in the Championship pushing for a play off spot or relegated? I'll not include Jags in this because it was in his contract but a selling club acts like a disease. The players know they aren't there for long if they are any good and it breeds within. First offer, off they go. No one actually benefits because the club slides down the leagues and almost always ends up worse off than it started.

I'm amazed no super blade football chairman have ever studied that theory or at least stumbled across it. Mind you if lining your own pockets is what it is all about..........

I defy you to name me any British club (apart from Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City) that is not a selling club, in the sense that if a better team offers decent money for one of their players and the player wants to go, then the player will be sold.

 

[Blade58]

I know a lot of people are disappointed and i am to but we can not turn down 3m for a defender when we are in league one, we need to get the wage bill down and it would be nice if DW gets a bit to bring in a few players.

Trust me, it wont be a £3m fee

It'll be a smal flat rate fee, followed by a load of ifs and buts, most of which we probably wont see

Already a Villa fan has text a a poster on BM saying it's £700k rising to £2m with add ons

To me, it's obvious we haven't got £3m for him, but that's just my opinion of Matt Lowton's worth.

 

[metalblade]

I defy you to name me any British club (apart from Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City) that is not a selling club, in the sense that if a better team offers decent money for one of their players and the player wants to go, then the player will be sold.

Fuckin hell Darren not that old chesnut................. yes every club sells players the difference is they sell and invest back into the team whereas we just get a cheap option that never works out. Lowton was the cheap option when we sold the two Kyle's now we are down to selling the cheap options.

 

[Moosie]

Didn't Lambert watch him a few times last year while he was still at Norwich? Obviously thinks the lad can do a job in the top tier.

 

[metalblade]

Trust me, it wont be a £3m fee

It'll be a smal flat rate fee, followed by a load of ifs and buts, most of which we probably wont see

Already a Villa fan has text a a poster on BM saying it's £700k rising to £2m with add ons

To me, it's obvious we haven't got £3m for him, but that's just my opinion of Matt Lowton's worth.

More likely it will be less the £1m up front with another £1m on his England debut + another £1m on his 150th premiership game

 

[Rodley]

I'm surprised people are experiencing some sort of epiphany that we sell our young players to clubs up the food chain. Seems a familiar concept for any League 1 club, let alone SUFC.

We're broke with no likely new investors and running at a huge loss on a month by month basis. McCabe keeps filling the bucket, but there's a big hole in it.

I think £3 million is a good price. Let's hope we can use some it to bring one or two in.

 

[alcoblade]

Fuckin hell Darren not that old chesnut................. yes every club sells players the difference is they sell and invest back into the team whereas we just get a cheap option that never works out. Lowton was the cheap option when we sold the two Kyle's now we are down to selling the cheap options.

We haven't got cheap options previously. Just rubbish ones. It's investing heavily that has put us in the current mess. It's the squandering of that money by Robson, and the silly contracts extended by Backwell that are at fault, not lack of spending money.

McCabe's errors have been all about decision making, not penny pinching.

UTB

 

[Bladesway]

I defy you to name me any British club (apart from Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City) that is not a selling club, in the sense that if a better team offers decent money for one of their players and the player wants to go, then the player will be sold.

Everyone has a value and in that case you are ultimately right. However I am talking about clubs who hold on to their younger players for a good period of time. Cardiff haven't recently been a selling club, I don't see teams like Norwich, Swansea and Southampton having a for sale sign up on their young players and while everyone is subject to that big bid, some teams say no first time up rather than yes at every occasion.

 

[Coily]

As soon as a Premier League club comes calling then any one of our players would be on his way, and there is not a lot the club would be able to do about it. Yes, they are under contract, but when has that ever mattered in football? There is no way Lowton would want to stay and play in Division 3 when the chance is there to play at the top level.

Hopefully the club will be able to use some of the money to strengthen the side with a number of players that will help us out of this fucking shit division.

 

[Bladesman]

So we dismantled the team that failed in the playoff final in the championship and it relegated us.

Now it seems we can't even afford to hold together the team that failed in the playoffs in league one.

Where is it going to end?

League 2.

 

[alcoblade]

I've heard platitudes and defeatist guff like this after every sale since Beattie onwards. This is a broken strategy.

Aye, spending money you haven't got has worked wonders for Rangers.



UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I've heard platitudes and defeatist guff like this after every sale since Beattie onwards. This is a broken strategy.

It's possible we aren't in the Premiership today because we sold Beattie. But we're in League 1 today and financially shaky probably because we bought players like him, on wages we couldn't afford, and have paid for that over the last few years. We still are paying - literally.

 

[axel smeets]

Thats it then. Officially no assets left.

 

[Kenilworth]

He will be fine. He has the pace to cope with it, an eye for goal and he can keep on learning the defensive part of the game.

When Walker was sold people said the same thing about his defensive capabilities but he has been working well and learning at a higher level and now seems the future for England at RB if he can maintain fitness levels.

Lowts will do fine - Lambert is a top quality coach and will see him right. Good luck to the lad - sorry to see him go but this sort of thing was innevitable after the failure to gain promotion last term.

Now that Lowton has fled the nest I fully expect Maguire to go at some stage too - possibly Quinn as well this month - as the players that are left smell the coffee and do what they need to do for their own careers.

With this first significant sale going through I expect that the agents of Willo and KMac will be straight on the phone asking for more dink. Whether they will be offered anything or not is another matter - at least it may precipitate a decision one way or the other.

It is highly likely the money from the sale of Lowton would only be absorbed into the general salary bucket to cope with the ever falling income of the club - nothing, if any, made available for new recruitment. It's when we shed more players that DW may get some of it to spend on what will only be inferior replacements.

 

[Worksop_Blade]

I'm surprised people are experiencing some sort of epiphany that we sell our young players to clubs up the food chain. Seems a familiar concept for any League 1 club, let alone SUFC.

We're broke with no likely new investors and running at a huge loss on a month by month basis. McCabe keeps filling the bucket, but there's a big hole in it.

I think £3 million is a good price. Let's hope we can use some it to bring one or two in.

He drilled the hole in the bucket with a string of laughably stupid decisions going back 5 years.

He gets no sympathy from me, under Mike Macdonald & Charles Green we were in a better place than we are now.

The club had the same amount of ambition, Still sold its better players but played in a higher division.

Sheffield United is an Albatross around McCabe's neck and McCabe is an Albatross around the club's neck.

The quicker he takes a huge loss in his loans etc and accepts a fraction in return, the better.

 

[alcoblade]

If we signed a decent striker and tied up Willo and KMc as a result of this, I'd consider it very good business. Lowton might end up being fine, but who knows? He certainly wasn't a rock defensively, in the third division. I don't remember the same being said about Walker, but either way people hadn't seen enough to judge.

A competent 3rd division RB replaceament would cost about £100,000.

UTB

 

[Ollessendro]

Fuck you Sheffield United Football Club!!!

You spinless twats. A local lad that has been at the Lane since he was 9 years old is sold without even a whimper. One of our best players, young and promising and still with 2 years left on his contract. Yet he is shown the door when a tiny bit of cash is shoved under McCabe's nose. Don't give me any of this defeatist bollocks about trying to keep him. Same old shite.

Today is another dark day for the club. Another home grown young talent is sold unnecessarily. A solid right back at this level and brilliant going forward. Played with passion and commitment, rarely missed a game and was outstannding last season. Cannot be on a large salary, still a few years left on his contract and obviously loves the club. Yet the clubs sells him at the fist offer. How many more talent young lads that grow up in the Sheffield area are going to be sold on the cheap when we do not really after. This is fucking wank. A short sighted 'business' decision.

Lowton being solid at RB really helped us have one of the best defences in the league last year. The way he got forward was fantastic. Scoring a hat full of goals, getting into the box late, supplying crosses, linking with Williamson and being a constant menance. He will be sorely missed.

We all know that none of this cash will be reinvested in the team. Just like when we sold Naughton and Walker. Another incredibly bad footballing decision by McCabe.

 

[Deleted member 2102]

Fuck you Sheffield United Football Club!!!

You spinless twats. A local lad that has been at the Lane since he was 9 years old is sold without even a whimper. One of our best players, young and promising and still with 2 years left on his contract. Yet he is shown the door when a tiny bit of cash is shoved under McCabe's nose. Don't give me any of this defeatist bollocks about trying to keep him. Same old shite.

Today is another dark day for the club. Another home grown young talent is sold unnecessarily. A solid right back at this level and brilliant going forward. Played with passion and commitment, rarely missed a game and was outstannding last season. Cannot be on a large salary, still a few years left on his contract and obviously loves the club. Yet the clubs sells him at the fist offer. How many more talent young lads that grow up in the Sheffield area are going to be sold on the cheap when we do not really after. This is fucking wank. A short sighted 'business' decision.

Lowton being solid at RB really helped us have one of the best defences in the league last year. The way he got forward was fantastic. Scoring a hat full of goals, getting into the box late, supplying crosses, linking with Williamson and being a constant menance. He will be sorely missed.

We all know that none of this cash will be reinvested in the team. Just like when we sold Naughton and Walker. Another incredibly bad footballing decision by McCabe.

Third division club sells player to first division club. I am shocked.

 

[alcoblade]

Fuck you Sheffield United Football Club!!!

You spinless twats. A local lad that has been at the Lane since he was 9 years old is sold without even a whimper. One of our best players, young and promising and still with 2 years left on his contract. Yet he is shown the door when a tiny bit of cash is shoved under McCabe's nose. Don't give me any of this defeatist bollocks about trying to keep him. Same old shite.

He's gone because he wanted to. You can disagree with the club for selling him - fair enough. But to suggest he's been forced out is the very definition of bollocks. He's under contract. He's chosen to leave.

UTB

 

[Sothall_Blade]

At least we have the thrill of knowing that 15% of The Premiership's right backs came from our Academy.
Who needs United to do well when we have that sort of vicarious triumph to savour?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

"Matthew. We've had Villa on the phone - they want to offer you a 4 year deal and have you competing with a fairly incompetent full-back for the main spot at right back next season. Oh, and you'd be paid multiple times what you're on at the moment, not to mention a nice signing on fee. But I've told them no, because we need you in Division 3, and you're under contract (which means everything in football). Anyway, no hard feelings eh? See you Monday as usual? Matt? Matty? Are you still there?"

 

[Deleted member 2102]

But remember its only Sheffield United who ever do this. Its not like Man United would ever sell Ronaldo to a rival. How could a player like Modric ever want to leave Spurs?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

It is highly likely the money from the sale of Lowton would only be absorbed into the general salary bucket to cope with the ever falling income of the club - nothing, if any, made available for new recruitment. It's when we shed more players that DW may get some of it to spend on what will only be inferior replacements.

We keep being told that the club can't sign anyone as they have to comply with the new financial fair play rules.
The whole purpose of that rule is that clubs are self-financing (i.e. they can afford the wages they're paying out based on their normal income).
Therefore, NONE of the money we receive from Villa should be required to fund the muh reduced wage bill.
The Board at United can't have it both ways.
At least some of that money should be available for Wilson to sign new players (e.g. Beavon).
Assuming McDonald and Williamson don't sign, we now need to replace FOUR key players.
We need to start soon BEFORE a potential transfer embargo gets imposed.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Yep, no brainer for all parties concerned sadly. Shouldn't be the way but thats football now.

Imagine how the player would feel if you deprived him of the opportunity under what appear to be fairly reasonable terms for the selling club. I'm sure he would be buzzing on his return to pre-season training

I'm as sad as the next Blade to see yet another promising youngster go but thats how it works now.

 

[j j]

I don't see teams like Norwich, Swansea and Southampton having a for sale sign up on their young players.

Southampton lost Bale and Walcott. Norwich and Swansea were all about the managers and both of them left against the wishes of their club.