MOM for me......

[andy m]

Coutts couldn’t lace Norwood boots

If you say so.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

If you say so.

There’s a reason why coutts was let go after prem promotion and Norwood got a new contract.

 

[andy m]

There’s a reason why coutts was let go after prem promotion and Norwood got a new contract.

Yes he never fully recovered from snapping his leg.

 

[Bell4]

Oh, indeed. If you are remotely critical of any aspect of a player's output, you instantly are labelled as having an agenda against them. This usually comes with zero point zro evidence refuting your statements. I mean, I'm happy to be proven wrong, but to be proven wrong with nothing is hard to accept.

And anyway ... who are we anyway but a diverse array of people who support an unremarkable, usually underachieving Championship football club?

pommpey

Pal

People do give you evidence and their view re Norwood in particular you just seem to ignore it then slam your own view into their faces and at the same time stating that the posing view is lightweight

For instance

You totally dismissed the stats on Norwood when asked to consider them as evidence whilst writing paragraph after paragraph justifying your own view .


How on earth can you dismiss such information - well easily I suppose if it doesn’t fit your paradigm in Norwood and Wilder ball

 

[Sean Thornton]

He frustrates me at times but he’s a very very good footballer and I don’t think it’s fluke that we got promoted and had a good season in the PL when he was at the top of his game for us.

Some won’t give him the credit he deserves because he was shit for a season but he’s been pivotal to how we play (good and bad) the last 2 seasons.

His work rate has very much improved lately, people seem though to forget when he seemingly couldn’t be arsed to sprint back once he’d lost the ball when he had a poor season PL2.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Coutts couldn’t lace Norwood boots

Wow!

 

[pommpey]

Pal

People do give you evidence and their view re Norwood in particular you just seem to ignore it then slam your own view into their faces and at the same time stating that the posing view is lightweight

For instance

You totally dismissed the stats on Norwood when asked to consider them as evidence whilst writing paragraph after paragraph justifying your own view .


How on earth can you dismiss such information - well easily I suppose if it doesn’t fit your paradigm in Norwood and Wilder ball

Because providing 'evidence' based on 'Skybet' is about as relevant as you giving me a 'MotM' suggestion. Sure, Norwood completes passes. I could sit in that DM position and pass to Egan, Fleck, Doyle, Baldock, Stevens and not one pass actually goes forward. I could be top of the fucking league in passes. Not one of them going toward their goal. See also 'pings'. I could smack the ball across the park and find Baldock and Stevens every time. Sure thing. They trap it, get closed down or are unsupported and face Wes's goal and pass it backwards. But hey-ho, Sky mark it up and the Norwood fanbase get another lob on. Okay, he found Baldock v Burnley with a killer lob. Baldock did 50% of the work though and McBurnie finished the move. But Norwood gets the fluffing. Tackling also. As DM, it is 100% expected he is high on tackles ... as was Nicky Butt and Matic and any other midfielder in their position. They are the blocker. Mind you, let's hop back a few seasons shall we when he was simply being bypassed or lunging in and shipping yellows like a dose of the clap. Bit better now because the attacking midfielders in his baliwick aren't quite as good and he can make contact with the ball rather than be left flapping like a carrier bag in the breeze. Eze's goal for Palace being one that springs to mind.

Evidence is 'evidence'. I saw that v Burnley, hence his high mark. Note, in other games he has had high marks too (go look). But his inconsistency tells its own tale for me. And the paragraph after paragrah I write is concurrently ignored by you (as will this also) You have not shown me stuff from the match that you ... as an observer ... have witnessed and can cite. All you have shown is confirmation bias because Sky Sports agree with your POV. I can cite board members who agree with mine, but I don't. And I'll say this in their defence. They know more about Sheffield United than Sky Sports do.

pommpey

 

[Bell4]

Because providing 'evidence' based on 'Skybet' is about as relevant as you giving me a 'MotM' suggestion. Sure, Norwood completes passes. I could sit in that DM position and pass to Egan, Fleck, Doyle, Baldock, Stevens and not one pass actually goes forward. I could be top of the fucking league in passes. Not one of them going toward their goal. See also 'pings'. I could smack the ball across the park and find Baldock and Stevens every time. Sure thing. They trap it, get closed down or are unsupported and face Wes's goal and pass it backwards. But hey-ho, Sky mark it up and the Norwood fanbase get another lob on. Okay, he found Baldock v Burnley with a killer lob. Baldock did 50% of the work though and McBurnie finished the move. But Norwood gets the fluffing. Tackling also. As DM, it is 100% expected he is high on tackles ... as was Nicky Butt and Matic and any other midfielder in their position. They are the blocker. Mind you, let's hop back a few seasons shall we when he was simply being bypassed or lunging in and shipping yellows like a dose of the clap. Bit better now because the attacking midfielders in his baliwick aren't quite as good and he can make contact with the ball rather than be left flapping like a carrier bag in the breeze. Eze's goal for Palace being one that springs to mind.

Evidence is 'evidence'. I saw that v Burnley, hence his high mark. Note, in other games he has had high marks too (go look). But his inconsistency tells its own tale for me. And the paragraph after paragrah I write is concurrently ignored by you (as will this also) You have not shown me stuff from the match that you ... as an observer ... have witnessed and can cite. All you have shown is confirmation bias because Sky Sports agree with your POV. I can cite board members who agree with mine, but I don't. And I'll say this in their defence. They know more about Sheffield United than Sky Sports do.

pommpey

But they do go to our players mostly - they do create chances 3 or 4 yesterday , they do lead to goals , they do contribute towards a side 2nd top , and a side who finished in the playoffs last season

….and they’re reflected in his stats , not just passes but contributions to outputs and outcomes ….that’s just passes not to mention the other stuff he just happens to be first in .

Let’s agree to disagree but try to be a bit more humble at times

 

[Ned the Donkey]

To be of any real value it would be worth seeing how this compares with other similar midfielders, and also what other stats organisations make of him, and then you get into whether the stats translate into anything meaningful, but it's something to consider:

 

[just ted]

Because providing 'evidence' based on 'Skybet' is about as relevant as you giving me a 'MotM' suggestion. Sure, Norwood completes passes. I could sit in that DM position and pass to Egan, Fleck, Doyle, Baldock, Stevens and not one pass actually goes forward. I could be top of the fucking league in passes. Not one of them going toward their goal. See also 'pings'. I could smack the ball across the park and find Baldock and Stevens every time. Sure thing. They trap it, get closed down or are unsupported and face Wes's goal and pass it backwards. But hey-ho, Sky mark it up and the Norwood fanbase get another lob on. Okay, he found Baldock v Burnley with a killer lob. Baldock did 50% of the work though and McBurnie finished the move. But Norwood gets the fluffing. Tackling also. As DM, it is 100% expected he is high on tackles ... as was Nicky Butt and Matic and any other midfielder in their position. They are the blocker. Mind you, let's hop back a few seasons shall we when he was simply being bypassed or lunging in and shipping yellows like a dose of the clap. Bit better now because the attacking midfielders in his baliwick aren't quite as good and he can make contact with the ball rather than be left flapping like a carrier bag in the breeze. Eze's goal for Palace being one that springs to mind.

Evidence is 'evidence'. I saw that v Burnley, hence his high mark. Note, in other games he has had high marks too (go look). But his inconsistency tells its own tale for me. And the paragraph after paragrah I write is concurrently ignored by you (as will this also) You have not shown me stuff from the match that you ... as an observer ... have witnessed and can cite. All you have shown is confirmation bias because Sky Sports agree with your POV. I can cite board members who agree with mine, but I don't. And I'll say this in their defence. They know more about Sheffield

Because providing 'evidence' based on 'Skybet' is about as relevant as you giving me a 'MotM' suggestion. Sure, Norwood completes passes. I could sit in that DM position and pass to Egan, Fleck, Doyle, Baldock, Stevens and not one pass actually goes forward. I could be top of the fucking league in passes. Not one of them going toward their goal. See also 'pings'. I could smack the ball across the park and find Baldock and Stevens every time. Sure thing. They trap it, get closed down or are unsupported and face Wes's goal and pass it backwards. But hey-ho, Sky mark it up and the Norwood fanbase get another lob on. Okay, he found Baldock v Burnley with a killer lob. Baldock did 50% of the work though and McBurnie finished the move. But Norwood gets the fluffing. Tackling also. As DM, it is 100% expected he is high on tackles ... as was Nicky Butt and Matic and any other midfielder in their position. They are the blocker. Mind you, let's hop back a few seasons shall we when he was simply being bypassed or lunging in and shipping yellows like a dose of the clap. Bit better now because the attacking midfielders in his baliwick aren't quite as good and he can make contact with the ball rather than be left flapping like a carrier bag in the breeze. Eze's goal for Palace being one that springs to mind.

Evidence is 'evidence'. I saw that v Burnley, hence his high mark. Note, in other games he has had high marks too (go look). But his inconsistency tells its own tale for me. And the paragraph after paragrah I write is concurrently ignored by you (as will this also) You have not shown me stuff from the match that you ... as an observer ... have witnessed and can cite. All you have shown is confirmation bias because Sky Sports agree with your POV. I can cite board members who agree with mine, but I don't. And I'll say this in their defence. They know more about Sheffield United than Sky Sports do.

pommpey

I could do this, I could do that. But you can’t can you, cos you’re not good enough. So it’s just look at me bull shit.

 

[pommpey]

I could do this, I could do that. But you can’t can you, cos you’re not good enough. So it’s just look at me bull shit.

Well, you certainly can't work the basics of the board, can you Cleatus?

And, like the rest of the inadequates who feel somewhat threatened by a single poster's opinion of a player you'll never know, you're a bit light on your own proof.

Dismal. 1/10. If that.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

But they do go to our players mostly - they do create chances 3 or 4 yesterday , they do lead to goals , they do contribute towards a side 2nd top , and a side who finished in the playoffs last season

'Mostly'. So every pass he completes leads to a chance, does it? Or goals? Or most of our goals scored this season? And as said, I would posit that the majority of our goals last season came from the mastery of MGW and IND going at their defence rather than the playmaking skills of Norwood.

….and they’re reflected in his stats , not just passes but contributions to outputs and outcomes ….that’s just passes not to mention the other stuff he just happens to be first in .

'Stats'. Show me the evidence that many of last season's goals originate from Norwood. This season? Some have ... but not all. But many would have it that he sets every goal up one way or another. He doesn't. Anyone can see that. But add a soupcon of 'SkyBet Stats' and suddenly he's Kante or Pirlo or summat

Let’s agree to disagree but try to be a bit more humble at times

Speak for yourself. I'm not calling your opinion 'crap', am I?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

To be of any real value it would be worth seeing how this compares with other similar midfielders, and also what other stats organisations make of him, and then you get into whether the stats translate into anything meaningful, but it's something to consider:

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Um. 'Taking set pieces'. Strong? Really? Tell that to them sat behind each goal. He also likes to shoot from distance. Usually nowhere near the goal.

'Stats', eh?

pommpey

 

[Bell4]

Tackling also. As DM, it is 100% expected he is high on tackles ... as was Nicky Butt and Matic and any other midfielder in their position. They are the blocker.

It is 100% expected - he isn’t just high , he’s the highest . So the stats back up the reality .

Now , is he a DM? Or an attacking midfielder ?. Which is it ? . Seems he is expected to do the lot - which I have pointed out the stats seem to suggest he does quite well also .

. I could be top of the fucking league in passes. Not one of them going toward their goal.

But a lot of his do hence top for creating chances

…..I have said I like your take , good read but re ON I stand by my opinion that mostly re him , you do talk crap

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

You fanboys have got it all wrong.

I definitely read, on here, as recently as last week, that the best all-round comparison for what Norwood has given us … is Michael Doyle or Brian Howard.

To be fair, this observation came from a poster who has played football for a few years, and who watches every game on telly, and tells us about it every week. So he obvs knows his beans.

Back in the most recent iteration of the dark days, when we were shit in League 1, I also distinctly remember him telling me, and anyone else who supported the club by turning up every week, that we were “chimps” and “cabbages”. His point at the time being that supporting the club when we were struggling was just stupid.

So, yeah, I 100% trust his perspective on stuff. Norwood must be shit Michael Doyle.

 

[Lane Ender]

Wow!

I really rated Coutts and probably a bit harsh with that quote but I’d put Norwood in front of Coutts.
I was at Burton when he sustained that horrible injury gut wrenching

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

I was very critical of Norwood in the Premiership but under Hecky he’s a more accomplished MF defensively as well as attacking wise with his passes. His free kicks at goal is his only Achilles Heel.

 

[Sheff de party]

This 100%, if you're sat watching on TV you don't appreciate some of the skill and vision in his passing, I can't remember a Blades midfielder with a better range of passing than Norwood

There simply hasn’t ever been one! Not in my time anyway.

On tv it looks easy, but in real life it’s clear that it isn’t. He has an incredible right boot.

 

[JJBlade]

You’re as good as your last game and he played well in a winning team that went top of the league. Disappearing for 12 months can be applied to more or less every player we had in that period. Mcburnie should not be judged on his shit form or his good form, if we continue to see players as machines that regardless of any other factors (injuries, tactics, opponents and what is going on in someone’s life etc) they perform at the same level we do have an opinion on football but know very little about life. Someone thought that Ndiaye wasn’t good enough (an experienced manager) some thought Coutts wasn’t, I could continue about every player where have had over the 12th months but the manager, coaching staff and recruitment manager know a good player and so do others in the game. Ramsdale is extremely well thought of by coaches throughout the country before we bought him and his inclusion with England before we bought him suggests so, his form for us under Wilder was poor and wilder said when we went down that if Ramsdale would have played like that we wouldn’t have gone down, it doesn’t make him a shit keeper it makes him human. Sorry for going on but I’m watching him Blackburn and thinking that Diaz ain’t shit for not scoring (he was schooled at Forest by Lester in u21) was rated highly then and still is but his performances will tail off he he stays in this team after January.

Consistency is what the best players have, even a League 2 player has ability and fitness, but consistency is the biggest problem

Messi has been a 9.5/10 for most of a 15 year career at the very highest level

Top Premier League players are 7 or 8 for a long period of time

Most run of the mill Premier League players are 6-7 over a long period of time

Most of ours have been in the 4-5 bracket since the day we bought them, with many not even getting that high

And that has taken into account that they've played at Championship level more than top flight level.

They are all capable of 9/10 every so often, but they are more likely to produce something between 3 and 6

 

[Gin&Juice]

Man United were successful because they had Paul Scholes as a Quarterback. Basically dictating every game they played, no one could get near him.

Scholes is England’s best player over the last 30 years. Norwood is our Btec version. If he had a better eye for goal, a yard more of pace and more aggression he’s sitting behind a back 4 in the top 5 of the PL. He’s frustrating as fuck, but that’s the only reason we have him as he doesn’t have that extra level that gets you to a place where players as rare as rocking horse shit become consistent at the highest level.

 

[Nightsweats]

You got a thumbs up...... from Pomps.

That's a huge vindication.

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

That's a huge vindication.

Pomp and Nightsweats - what a Combo.... just keep an eye on his bood-pressure though

 

[SUFC Guy]

His work rate has very much improved lately, people seem though to forget when he seemingly couldn’t be arsed to sprint back once he’d lost the ball when he had a poor season PL2.

That's true Sean, but that could be said for the majority of the squad when they knew Wilder wanted out from October.

 

[HarryHaslam]

His work rate has very much improved lately, people seem though to forget when he seemingly couldn’t be arsed to sprint back once he’d lost the ball when he had a poor season PL2.

Agree he has picked it up lately but the amount of ground he covers has always gone unnoticed, he covered more ground than any Blade while in the PL and was in the top 10 in the whole PL for ground covered. He is as slow as a snail so often we think he’s not doing the running or running back, he is but he’s just so slow but he certainly racks up the miles in a game and will probably still be our no 1 for ground covered.

 

[Nightsweats]

Pomp and Nightsweats - what a Combo.... just keep an eye on his bood-pressure though

Pretty certain if we played as your username advocated we would all be at the top of the stairs without you!

 

[pommpey]

…..I have said I like your take , good read but re ON I stand by my opinion that mostly re him , you do talk crap

Yet ...

Let’s agree to disagree but try to be a bit more humble at times

Tremendous stuff

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

... and will probably still be our no 1 for ground covered.

To what end?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

You fanboys have got it all wrong.

I definitely read, on here, as recently as last week, that the best all-round comparison for what Norwood has given us … is Michael Doyle or Brian Howard.

There were others.

To be fair, this observation came from a poster who has played football for a few years, and who watches every game on telly, and tells us about it every week. So he obvs knows his beans.

Why thanks ... but wait ...

Back in the most recent iteration of the dark days, when we were shit in League 1, I also distinctly remember him telling me, and anyone else who supported the club by turning up every week, that we were “chimps” and “cabbages”. His point at the time being that supporting the club when we were struggling was just stupid.

Not really. But it's not like you to either deliberately misinterpret the point made or entirely miss the point made, is it?

So, yeah, I 100% trust his perspective on stuff. Norwood must be shit Michael Doyle.

There were others. Maybe you think Norwood is better than Michael Brown and the others mentioned? The invite was made to counter it when the statement was made.

pommpey

 

[Nightsweats]

To what end?

pommpey

I appear to have been "lumped" on as simillar to you. I'm fine with that. My apologies if you aren't.

 

[pommpey]

It is 100% expected - he isn’t just high , he’s the highest . So the stats back up the reality .

Now , is he a DM? Or an attacking midfielder ?. Which is it ? . Seems he is expected to do the lot - which I have pointed out the stats seem to suggest he does quite well also .

Difficult to say isn't it. But with him making it six at the back at times I'd say he's possibly a Defensive Midfielder. He barely makes it past the halfway line for much of teh game so 'attacking' he certainly isn't

But a lot of his do hence top for creating chances

'Chances'. Define this please. His crossing from corners has been better ... seem to recall him hitting the front post man every time for much of last season or floating it over everyone's heads. Don't seen many defence splitting passes though. Loads of pings ... the Rotherham game had four which went into empty grass or out of play.

'Chances', eh?

pommpey