Poll: Heckingbottom

[BLADES1988]

I thought make a change meant make a fucking sub! not one till the 80th minute when NOWT were appnin!

 

[Nightsweats]

So who would you replace him with?

Where in my post did I state he should be sacked? I didn't.
I was pointing out what to me are huge red flags all over the place. A poster earlier on this thread likened him to Southgate and I agree. That in itself is scary.
The only driver as to who manages us this season is that they get us promoted.
We have a squad the equal to or better than any other in this division so all a manager needs to do is get and maintain high levels of performance from them. The rest would follow. I see nothing in our manager to inspire anyone. Our owner seems fine with things and ultimately he will decide the managers fate. If the long term plan is to cultivate and sell on profitably then we are just a source of income for the owners whether we are top half prem or mud table League 1.
I don't belive the manager has anything close to the depth of qualities to get us promoted. Talk the talk v walk the walk. He's a personable person from what I see, but a crack or two showed in his reponses to perfectly reasonable questions about our performance last night. He lost it in truth. Arguing with the interviewr is a bad sign and a pre cursor of worse to come.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Where in my post did I state he should be sacked? I didn't.
I was pointing out what to me are huge red flags all over the place. A poster earlier on this thread likened him to Southgate and I agree. That in itself is scary.
The only driver as to who manages us this season is that they get us promoted.
We have a squad the equal to or better than any other in this division so all a manager needs to do is get and maintain high levels of performance from them. The rest would follow. I see nothing in our manager to inspire anyone. Our owner seems fine with things and ultimately he will decide the managers fate. If the long term plan is to cultivate and sell on profitably then we are just a source of income for the owners whether we are top half prem or mud table League 1.
I don't belive the manager has anything close to the depth of qualities to get us promoted. Talk the talk v walk the walk. He's a personable person from what I see, but a crack or two showed in his reponses to perfectly reasonable questions about our performance last night. He lost it in truth. Arguing with the interviewr is a bad sign and a pre cursor of worse to come.

When you said you thought he was out of his depth and doubted that he'll be able to turn things around.
Again, you say you don't think he has the required qualities so I'll ask again, who would you replace him with

 

[Nightsweats]

When you said you thought he was out of his depth and doubted that he'll be able to turn things around.
Again, you say you don't think he has the required qualities so I'll ask again, who would you replace him with

Do you seriously think a club owner always has a replacement in mind and sorted when the penny drops and he realise the current incumbent isn't the dog for the job?
No of course he dosen't. It is rare a club has a successor lined up.
So in answer to your question, I don't have a guarenteed successsor lined up I can name to make you happy.
I'd love Michael Beale but that ship is about to up anchor.
I don't have to know who would be the ideal manager to know when the current incumbent isn't what we need. Pretty sure you can see that.
Truss is a lame duck. Who would you replace her with?

 

[Mouth of the South]

Politics is somewhat different but in business, succession planning is critical for continuity in the delivery of a strategy - for some reason that doesn't happen much in football ownership/management - the exception being Brighton who had a list of potential replacements drawn up (and I assume sounded out) should Potter leave and were therefore able to decide on and move quickly to secure De Zerbi.
Unfortunately, you've fallen into the trap of being a critic (the easiest job in the world!) but without being able to come up with any viable alternatives. At least you're not alone on here.
To answer your question - it's clear that the dark forces will make the PM role impossible for anyone that's not a 'Remainer' and WEF shrill. with Sunak seemingly destined to get the gig eventually (but who certainly wouldn't be my choice). IMHO the only person with the intelligence and personality to navigate a successful way out of the current mess and stand a chance of avoiding annihilation at the next GE is JRM but if he's as intelligent as I give him credit for, he'll stay well clear.

 

[Nightsweats]

Politics is somewhat different but in business, succession planning is critical for continuity in the delivery of a strategy - for some reason that doesn't happen much in football ownership/management - the exception being Brighton who had a list of potential replacements drawn up (and I assume sounded out) should Potter leave and were therefore able to decide on and move quickly to secure De Zerbi.
Unfortunately, you've fallen into the trap of being a critic (the easiest job in the world!) but without being able to come up with any viable alternatives. At least you're not alone on here.
To answer your question - it's clear that the dark forces will make the PM role impossible for anyone that's not a 'Remainer' and WEF shrill. with Sunak seemingly destined to get the gig eventually (but who certainly wouldn't be my choice). IMHO the only person with the intelligence and personality to navigate a successful way out of the current mess and stand a chance of avoiding annihilation at the next GE is JRM but if he's as intelligent as I give him credit for, he'll stay well clear.

I said Beale. You have no idea how to sort out what is becoming a crisis but demand others do. Classic civil servant.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Where is the option to keep Hecky as manager?

What, from this OP?

 

[Ralph Blade]

Wasn’t it said last year that he would be not judged solely by results OWTTE? On that basis, he’s going nowhere.

I find some of the decisions the players make during the game very frustrating eg ridiculous long inaccurate shooting, and attempting too many passes instead of being more direct.

Of course the manager could be telling them not to play that way, but it seems that their in-game decision making ain’t great, irrespective. If I was going to find any fault with the manager last night, it would be would be playing Bash on the wrong side. Robbo in on Saturday please and Bash as cover on the right.

 

[Roygbiv]

The won't be judged purely on results thing has been taken literally. It was said in relation to trying to cut down the wage bill. They were basically saying the results side was just as important as trying to make the club financially stable.

I do think things have changed a little too. The board didn't sell any prize assets in the summer and brought in Anel for a decent fee along with the loan signings. I get the feeling they rightly thought we had a real chance of going up this season. If our slump continues and we fall to mid table then Heckingbottom will be under extreme pressure. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

 

[Mouth of the South]

I said Beale. You have no idea how to sort out what is becoming a crisis but demand others do. Classic civil servant.

Beale is not a viable option, unless to expect Utd to outbid Wolves for his services. You might as well have said Guardiola.

I can assure you that I'm certainly not a civil servant and I don't think anything drastic needs to happen - they're simply in the middle of a blip (the first during PH's tenture) and I'm confident results will improve when key players return from injury. Don't forget they're currently 4th and 2 points off the top. While Utd didn't play well last night, they could quite easily still have won the game - Cov's RB should have walked, McB's shot off the post, scrambles from corners, McB's header towards the end etc.

 

[Nightsweats]

Beale is not a viable option, unless to expect Utd to outbid Wolves for his services. You might as well have said Guardiola.

I can assure you that I'm certainly not a civil servant and I don't think anything drastic needs to happen - they're simply in the middle of a blip (the first during PH's tenture) and I'm confident results will improve when key players return from injury. While Utd didn't play well last night, they could quite easily still have won the game - Cov's RB should have walked, McB's shot off the post, scrambles from corners, McB's header towards the end etc.

So basically you're clutching at straws and blaming bad luck.
When the season is over and we are still in the current league I hope you enjoy cuddling those things like a teddy bear as you drop off to sleep.
Personally I will want to never see the pathetic management responsible again hounded out of my club.

 

[Nightsweats]

Beale is not a viable option, unless to expect Utd to outbid Wolves for his services. You might as well have said Guardiola.

I can assure you that I'm certainly not a civil servant and I don't think anything drastic needs to happen - they're simply in the middle of a blip (the first during PH's tenture) and I'm confident results will improve when key players return from injury. Don't forget they're currently 4th and 2 points off the top. While Utd didn't play well last night, they could quite easily still have won the game - Cov's RB should have walked, McB's shot off the post, scrambles from corners, McB's header towards the end etc.

You asked me a question.
I answered it. How long would you allow us to slide down the league before replacing the manager and who would you choose.

 

[RecordBreakers]

What I don't get with Hecky is when he says 'me an the coaching staff can't influence what happens on the pitch'? Well isn't that what managers who have a clue do, influence or change the game with substitutions/tactical tweaks? Why had no one else given Hecky a job after his last? I don't know the answer but maybe we're starting to find out, is he limited as a coach/manager?
He needs to find a way to get us out of this slump an quickly it's just a good job this league is piss poor because we've been very average and still only 2pts off the top Saturday is a huge game now.

 

[Mouth of the South]

You asked me a question.
I answered it. How long would you allow us to slide down the league before replacing the manager and who would you choose.

You mean you provided a single, unviable option in response to my question.

I would give PH all of this season - making knee-jerk decisions rarely works. If he doesn't achieve at least the play-offs then replacing him may well be considered . My preference for his replacement would be dependent on the squad and budget but I would consider people ranging from Corboran, Warburton, Robbins, Edwards, O'Neill, Warne and Simpson,

 

[Nightsweats]

You mean you provided a single, unviable option in response to my question.

I would give PH all of this season - making knee-jerk decisions rarely works. If he doesn't achieve at least the play-offs then replacing him may well be considered . My preference for his replacement would be dependent on the squad and budget but I would consider people ranging from Corboran, Warburton, Robbins, Edwards, O'Neill, Warne and Simpson,

You had me until I saw the name Warburton. Then you lost all credibility.

 

[Snowflake]

Discuss?

Unfair parameters without an option to keep him.

 

[HarryHaslam]

What I don't get with Hecky is when he says 'me an the coaching staff can't influence what happens on the pitch'? Well isn't that what managers who have a clue do, influence or change the game with substitutions/tactical tweaks? Why had no one else given Hecky a job after his last? I don't know the answer but maybe we're starting to find out, is he limited as a coach/manager?
He needs to find a way to get us out of this slump an quickly it's just a good job this league is piss poor because we've been very average and still only 2pts off the top Saturday is a huge game now.

That is a massive worry for me that he is saying things like this, my problem has always been and not just this season that he doesn’t know how to change things, he picks a side and seems to hope they will win the game but if it is not going well he doesn’t have a clue what to do, subs are baffling at times and a change of formation or some change in tactics in a game to combat the opposing team or for us to go and win it are none existent. He basically has just admitted what I and many think, once they cross that white line they are on their own in regards to coaching in a match.

 

[Mouth of the South]

You had me until I saw the name Warburton. Then you lost all credibility.

You're entitled to your opinion, but he didn't do a bad job at Brentford or QPR given the resources available did he? Beale certainly benefited from inheriting a decent squad at the start of the season, supplemented by some astute additions

 

[Nightsweats]

You're entitled to your opinion, but he didn't do a bad job at Brentford or QPR given the resources available did he? Beale certainly benefited from inheriting a decent squad at the start of the season, supplemented by some astute additions

Thankyou for informing me I'm entitled to my opinion. Next you'll be saying it's every bit as valid as yours.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Good to see over half the forum didn't piss the bed last night

I'm a little bit in the middle, I definitely don't think this is a time to consider change but Hecky has to take ownership of his game management, team selections & injury record. This team could still get us up.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Thankyou for informing me I'm entitled to my opinion. Next you'll be saying it's every bit as valid as yours.

Yep - I may not agree with much that you say but you're entitled to say it - that is what forums such as this are for. They also allow you to continue critiquing without suggesting viable alternative solutions if you wish - it's just a shame there's no 'mute' functionality.

 

[RecordBreakers]

That is a massive worry for me that he is saying things like this, my problem has always been and not just this season that he doesn’t know how to change things, he picks a side and seems to hope they will win the game but if it is not going well he doesn’t have a clue what to do, subs are baffling at times and a change of formation or some change in tactics in a game to combat the opposing team or for us to go and win it are none existent. He basically has just admitted what I and many think, once they cross that white line they are on their own in regards to coaching in a match.

An that is the worrying thing, most managers recently have combated what we do well and stopped us or come with a gameplay and execute it really well and Hecky has no idea how to counter it with a little tweak of shape or players.

 

[Danny_Blade]

You mean you provided a single, unviable option in response to my question.

I would give PH all of this season - making knee-jerk decisions rarely works. If he doesn't achieve at least the play-offs then replacing him may well be considered . My preference for his replacement would be dependent on the squad and budget but I would consider people ranging from Corboran, Warburton, Robbins, Edwards, O'Neill, Warne and Simpson,

In an ideal world I'd like to give PH all season as well (not that I'm calling for him to go yet) but with our circumstances time is against us because we really need to get promoted this season. If we don't we'd soon run out of finances (which in turn makes assembling a promotion side even harder) and the owner doesn't have the wealth to run us even as a second tier club. We'd effectively be relying on the funds generated by selling our better players and youngsters who have established themselves in the first team in order just to survive.

For our more established players, we only have a small few that we could sell for fairly big fees, so once they're gone they've gone no more to sell. For our youngsters, unless we're fortunate to keep getting them through to the first team (we all know this is Hecky's main remit anyway) we'd eventually run out of those to sell on also. Therefore if both of the aforementioned were to happen, then not too far down the line we'll no longer have the quality and finances to remain in this division and be on our way back to League One, a league none of us could possibly bear to go back to especially after getting stuck there for 6 seasons last time around.

The essence is that we just don't have the time to be too patient with Hecky all season if it hasn't been turned around sooner or later. Miss out this season then we'll be even weaker next season.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Good points DB - let's hope the Board don't need to decide whether to 'stick or twist' part-way through the season. TBH I expect a big improvement after the WC when hopefully more key players (inc. Berge) will be back. As evidenced last night, I still think a big, strong, combative midfielder is needed - Norwood and Doyle got bullied last night and didn't win a header all game. I doubt there will be any significant budget available in Jan but adding that type of player would give Utd a much better shot of getting up.

 

[Hackey Blade]

To put another spin on this, does anyone truly believe if Hecky did get us up he would be the one to keep us there?

 

[BushBlade]

Dyche - doubt he would come, although strangely I have always though he would end up here, just not yet. Reckon he will be keeping an eye on the likes of Forest, Villa or Leicester for next season in the champ.

Wilder - personally, I am not ready for him coming back. He has become a mood hoover. Besides, it ain't happening under the current ownership.

Corberban - meh, maybe, but he doesn't inspire me much.

Jones - worked wonders at Luton, but was a disaster at Stoke and there are similarly big expectations here.

McKenna - seriously unproven at this stage, at a decent level. He has got off to great start, but it's too early to risk his inexperience.

I think Dyche will be expecting to be in a PL job before the end of the season so I’d be surprised if he jumped at any championship job right now.

Corberan is highly rated and I think Huddersfield overachieved under him but his football is very dull. I guess I’d accept that if it got us up. I’ve no idea what his recruitment is like or what he’d be like long term.

Jones is apparently heavily dependent on Mick Harford, DoF who organises the scouting and recruitment. Jones signed some shite when he was at Stoke so I don’t think he’s really suitable for us unless we brought in a good DoF, who’d want paying well.

Agree on Wilder and McKenna too. Wilder just isn’t happening under the current ownership.
I’m not a massive Hecky fan but I think he’s got enough credit in the bank to be given longer, and there isn’t anyone realistically available who inspires me.
I did say at the start of the season that my biggest concern with having a lot of younger players is their inconsistency and now, to add to that, we’ve got older players who seem to be coming to the end of the road and this ridiculous raft of injuries. If I was PA, I’d be wanting to know why so many and what we need to do to stop it. If the reasons aren’t down to Hecky, for example, the training ground, then it doesn’t seem reasonable to sack him over things he can’t control. I have a vague recollection of Bournemouth under Howe and Newcastle under someone, Benitez maybe, having a huge number of injuries. I distinctly remember Howe being interviewed and saying they’d looked at everything to try to resolve it.

 

[Danny_Blade]

To put another spin on this, does anyone truly believe if Hecky did get us up he would be the one to keep us there?

Not sure really. He did well as caretaker at that level but to balance that he and the team weren't really under any pressure were they? The damage had already been done as we were already down.

But I also think regardless of who our manager is, they'd struggle to keep this team up and in all likelihood it would be a very similar season to our last up there, yes that bad I'd reckon.

If we go up we will basically need a new team. Not to the extent Forest have done this season but we'd certainly need quite a lot just to stand a chance of staying there.

 

[originaltrueblade]

No need to make a change we ain’t the Tory government

 

[Roygbiv]

Heckingbottom did unbelievably well when he was under no real pressure. Now we are expected to be up there it's a different challenge for him. Will be interesting to see how he comes out of it

 

[Hackey Blade]

Hopefully if we do go up the prince will either find a buyer or at least gamble the prem money up front like he did last time.