Injuries

[Millhousesblade1889]

People desperate for us to play today, I actually wonder if Hecky is a little bit relieved it’s off. I’m not sure we lose any momentum by having one game cancelled & 2 games in a week is more manageable that 3 with this limited squad.

 

[Champagneblade]

When I started watching dem Blades in the 1960s , there was one sub + we often went almost whole seasons barely having used him. The same 11 played every week on muddy pitches with a heavy old ball getting kicked all over by Tommy Smith , Norman Hunter & Chopper Harris.
Wtf has happened to players resilience when we play with a lightweight ball on perfect pitches ?
Anyway let's call off all our games until we can get some defenders fit.

The conditioning and fine tuning has evolved over the years.

It’s probably like comparing Race horses to Shire horses.

 

[Stretch]

People desperate for us to play today, I actually wonder if Hecky is a little bit relieved it’s off. I’m not sure we lose any momentum by having one game cancelled & 2 games in a week is more manageable that 3 with this limited squad.

I am still 100% opposed to the cancellation, just on sheer principle, but admittedly it isn't a complete disaster due the injury situation. It's looking like we can't even put out a defence at the moment, if Anal and Baldock are indeed injured.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I am still 100% opposed to the cancellation, just on sheer principle, but admittedly it isn't a complete disaster due the injury situation. It's looking like we can't even put out a defence at the moment, if Anal and Baldock are indeed injured.

After the international break I expect Bogle to possibly have played a U23s game & maybe Clark / Stevens back. Things will quickly look better, just need to get through this stage

 

[Keen Blade]

The conditioning and fine tuning has evolved over the years.

It’s probably like comparing Race horses to Shire horses.

Either their resilience has suffered or the medical advice is too risk-averse or maybe a combination of both ?
Either way , Hecky cuts a frustrated figure.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Either their resilience has suffered or the medical advice is too risk-averse or maybe a combination of both ?
Either way , Hecky cuts a frustrated figure.

The game is far, far faster than it used to be and the players are finely tuned athletes, which they certainly didn’t used to be. It is impossible to compare it to how the game was in the 60s. Nothing to do with “snowflakery” or resilience at all, more to do with the nature of the injuries, which are different to the predominantly impact injuries in a slower paced game that we used to see.

Although players didn’t used to bravely carry on with ACL or cartilage injuries back then, it finished their careers. These days they are able to come back.

 

[Keen Blade]

The game is far, far faster than it used to be and the players are finely tuned athletes, which they certainly didn’t used to be. It is impossible to compare it to how the game was in the 60s. Nothing to do with “snowflakery” or resilience at all, more to do with the nature of the injuries, which are different to the predominantly impact injuries in a slower paced game that we used to see.

Although players didn’t used to bravely carry on with ACL or cartilage injuries back then, it finished their careers. These days they are able to come back.

Fair enough , no wonder squads have to be so large !

 

[El Volví]

The game is far, far faster than it used to be and the players are finely tuned athletes, which they certainly didn’t used to be. It is impossible to compare it to how the game was in the 60s. Nothing to do with “snowflakery” or resilience at all, more to do with the nature of the injuries, which are different to the predominantly impact injuries in a slower paced game that we used to see.

Although players didn’t used to bravely carry on with ACL or cartilage injuries back then, it finished their careers. These days they are able to come back.

Very true.
A cartilage injury is not a career ending issue today, but unfortunately spelled the end of my old man's career at Bramall Lane.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Very true.
A cartilage injury is not a career ending issue today, but unfortunately spelled the end of my old man's career at Bramall Lane.

Very sad to hear that mate, it cut short many a career in the old days. I hope your dad found something else that brought him happiness afterwards. My brother’s career at Wolves was cut short by a compound leg break (very similar to Luke Shaw’s injury) & he really struggled before he was finally able to come to terms with it.

The point is, a lot of injuries thankfully no longer end careers, but they do have very long recovery and rehabilitation times in some cases.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Fair enough , no wonder squads have to be so large !

To offer another perspective, imagine the difference between hitting a Nissan Micra at 30mph & hitting a Range Rover at 60mph.

 

[Bladesman]

This thread is a bit depressing regarding injuries but if we want to see some positive signs:

 

[CaptainMorgans]

My guesses of return date / time out.

O'Connell - No return (3 years / indefinite) - knee ligaments
Sharp - March 2023 (7 months) - ankle ligaments
Coulibaly - February 2023 (6 months) - knee surgery
Fleck - January 2023 (4 months) - broken leg
Bogle - January 2023 (11 months) - knee ligaments
J Robinson - December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments
A Davies - December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments
Osborn - December 2022 (4 months) - hamstring / ankle injury
Lowe - November 2022 (3 months) - hamstring
C Clark - September 2022 (2 months) - hamstring

Between 1st October & 1st November we have 8 games.
That congestion worries me as we will be flogging our thin squad to death on heavier pitches.

If we don't consider Amissah & Gordon as proper Championship cover, and Heckingbottom seemingly doesn't as he spoke of using emergency loans if Foderingham went down and wanted to loan Gordon to League 2, then we're looking at this for the foreseeable...


Foderingham (no cover)

Baldock (no cover)
Basham (no cover)
Egan (no cover)
Anel (no cover)
Norrington-Davies (no cover)

Norwood (no cover)
Doyle (Arblaster)

Ndiaye (Khadra)
Berge (McAtee)

McBurnie (Brewster, Jebbison)

Pray for a miracle on the injury-front.

Revised guesses.

O'Connell - No return (3 years / indefinite) - knee ligaments

Sharp - October 2022 (3 months) - ankle ligaments

Coulibaly - February 2023 (6 months) - knee surgery

Fleck - January 2023 (4 months) - broken leg

Bogle - December 2022 (9 months) - knee ligaments

J Robinson - December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments

A Davies - December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments

Osborn - December 2022 (4 months) - hamstring / ankle injury

Lowe - January 2023 (4 months) - hamstring

C Clark - October 2022 (3 months) - hamstring

Ahmedhodzic - didn't train.

Baldock - didn't train.

 

[Silent Blade]

Revised guesses.

O'Connell - No return (3 years / indefinite) - knee ligaments

Sharp - October 2022 (3 months) - ankle ligaments

Coulibaly - February 2023 (6 months) - knee surgery

Fleck - January 2023 (4 months) - broken leg

Bogle - December 2022 (9 months) - knee ligaments

J Robinson - December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments

A Davies - December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments

Osborn - December 2022 (4 months) - hamstring / ankle injury

Lowe - January 2023 (4 months) - hamstring

C Clark - October 2022 (3 months) - hamstring

Ahmedhodzic - didn't train.

Baldock - didn't train.

CaptainMorgans Jan 2035 - broken record

 

[CaptainMorgans]

CaptainMorgans Jan 2035 - broken record

Bit of a pointless contribution Silent Blade .

Injuries are probably our biggest obstacle for promotion this season. It's a very current topic on people's minds.
We have so many players out that a lot have lost track of who, what the injury is and have no idea when people are due back. I'm just trying to collate a list in one place so people can have a look. I'm not a Doctor, I'm clear that they're just guesses, others are open to put their own thoughts to it.

No need for the weird attitude.

 

[El Volví]

He's in his 80's now, so long forgotten

Very sad to hear that mate, it cut short many a career in the old days. I hope your dad found something else that brought him happiness afterwards. My brother’s career at Wolves was cut short by a compound leg break (very similar to Luke Shaw’s injury) & he really struggled before he was finally able to come to terms with it.

The point is, a lot of injuries thankfully no longer end careers, but they do have very long recovery and rehabilitation times in some cases.

He's in his 80's now, so long forgotten.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Revised guesses.

O'Connell - No return (3 years / indefinite) - knee ligaments

Sharp - October 2022 (3 months) - ankle ligaments

Coulibaly - February 2023 (6 months) - knee surgery

Fleck - January 2023 (4 months) - broken leg

Bogle - December 2022 (9 months) - knee ligaments

J Robinson - December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments

A Davies - December 2022 (4 months) - knee ligaments

Osborn - December 2022 (4 months) - hamstring / ankle injury

Lowe - January 2023 (4 months) - hamstring

C Clark - October 2022 (3 months) - hamstring

Ahmedhodzic - didn't train.

Baldock - didn't train.

Interesting that Fleck was in the gym on the behind the blades clips. I’ve also seen him watching his son play football when I was watching my nephew & he wasn’t on crutches.

I’m not sure how they cure fractured legs nowadays but I was surprised to see him walking around pretty fine.

I think youll see Bogle back quicker, I remember moose & bash last year being at a similar stage just kicking a ball etc & they were back with the squad with 4-6 weeks

Sharps back with the squad now so that’s September.

Clark & Stevens are odd ones I presumed they’d be back now so clearly had set backs.

I’m not desperate for Coulibaly to be back I doubt you’d have seen much of him anyway

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

When comparing the overall fitness of modern players to those of previous eras , the qualities of stamina and muscle strength are often overlooked .

Take the likes of Nobby Styles and our own Billy Hodgson as just two examples . They could run and run and tackle and block for 90 minutes on pitches more suited to the growing of root vegetables than playing football and come off at the end looking as if they could do it all again and rarely suffered injuries , other than impact ones.

By contrast , I’ve seen many players in the modern game playing puffing and panting like old cart horses after playing for less than half an hour in perfect conditions . John Lundstram is one of them and Lys Mousset the prime example and that’s just at our club .

Does anyone seriously believe that for all the advantages of modern sports science , diets etc. their all round fitness and that of many like them , is / was superior to that of the likes of Geoff Hurst , Alan Shearer of even Stanley Matthews ?

I think not .

 

[Bladesman]

Interesting that Fleck was in the gym on the behind the blades clips. I’ve also seen him watching his son play football when I was watching my nephew & he wasn’t on crutches.

I’m not sure how they cure fractured legs nowadays but I was surprised to see him walking around pretty fine.

I think youll see Bogle back quicker, I remember moose & bash last year being at a similar stage just kicking a ball etc & they were back with the squad with 4-6 weeks

Sharps back with the squad now so that’s September.

Clark & Stevens are odd ones I presumed they’d be back now so clearly had set backs.

I’m not desperate for Coulibaly to be back I doubt you’d have seen much of him anyway

Sadly its Clark and Stevens that we need back ASAP along with Ozzy.

I agree Fleck must be a minor fracture considering he is with the rest of the lads in the gym. Bogle I think will be the surprise return as Hecky did say he was ahead of schedule.

 

[247Blade]

To offer another perspective, imagine the difference between hitting a Nissan Micra at 30mph & hitting a Range Rover at 60mph.

Yeah Range Rovers ain't very good

 

[petcharlie]

When comparing the overall fitness of modern players to those of previous eras , the qualities of stamina and muscle strength are often overlooked .

Take the likes of Nobby Styles and our own Billy Hodgson as just two examples . They could run and run and tackle and block for 90 minutes on pitches more suited to the growing of root vegetables than playing football and come off at the end looking as if they could do it all again and rarely suffered injuries , other than impact ones.

By contrast , I’ve seen many players in the modern game playing puffing and panting like old cart horses after playing for less than half an hour in perfect conditions . John Lundstram is one of them and Lys Mousset the prime example and that’s just at our club .

Does anyone seriously believe that for all the advantages of modern sports science , diets etc. their all round fitness and that of many like them , is / was superior to that of the likes of Geoff Hurst , Alan Shearer of even Stanley Matthews ?

I think not .

Interesting, pitches today are like billiard tables compared to the pitches of yesteryear . They were like mud baths which would not be allowed today but the norm then. Never had injury lists like we have now or have had in the LAST 2 YEARS. Also tackles were much more harder and crunching than today without all the injuries we have now. Would not hurt if some kind of investigation took place which might come up with some answers because this is not normal having such large amounts of long term lay offs .

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

I feel I've definitely noticed an increase in injuries in football generally in the last few years

In particular, a huge percentage of the elite young players in the world. You can barely find one who hasn't been reduced by a bad injury lay off at some point

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Bit of a pointless contribution Silent Blade .

Injuries are probably our biggest obstacle for promotion this season. It's a very current topic on people's minds.
We have so many players out that a lot have lost track of who, what the injury is and have no idea when people are due back. I'm just trying to collate a list in one place so people can have a look. I'm not a Doctor, I'm clear that they're just guesses, others are open to put their own thoughts to it.

No need for the weird attitude.

Surely Bogle back before 3 months? And I agree, weird behaviour from SB.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Surely Bogle back before 3 months? And I agree, weird behaviour from SB.

Clip clip clip cricks. Virgin

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Surely Bogle back before 3 months? And I agree, weird behaviour from SB.

Ordinarily I would agree with you on Bogle.
I just don't think we will risk him pre-World Cup break given the extent of his lay-off.

 

[Frank the tank]

I think all the rearranging of fixtures due to covid ( twice ),Qatar world cup ,posh peoples deaths international breaks and the lack of proper pre seasons has made the players injury prone due to overplaying in short spells and then enforced recovery spells not letting them.get into a groove

 

[Charlieblade]

The conditioning and fine tuning has evolved over the years.

It’s probably like comparing Race horses to Shire horses.

This is probably as good an analogy as you will get. It is impossible to compare players from decades apart, even though some of them were natural athletes already. The fitness standards of players like Styles and Hodgson etc were impressive exactly because of their natural athleticism. Others had to train very hard just to keep up with them, and very few did. This is why modern players are given individual training and recovery programmes, along with diet and lifestyle advice.

Science is producing better and more effective players, and extending their life cycle as professional footballers. The players from another era cannot be adequately compared to the likes of Sharp, Osborn and Bogle for example. There is greater expectation on modern players, just to get to the start line for team selection. The demands of the professional game have changed, along with training methods, playing surfaces and the athleticism of the players.
Science has enabled players to achieve higher standard over a longer career.

I still believe they are paid too much, but if your playing carrier ends at 35 years old instead of 65 years old, there is some compensation for the entertainment they offer during that limited time.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Clip clip clip cricks. Virgin

Explain senior?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

For those that drop in here for information and don't keep up with all of the club content, it sounds like Sharp is almost ready to go.
Unless desperate, I don't think we will risk him pre-international break but we will see.

Anel didn't train due to sickness but he is available for Swansea.
Baldock didn't train as he has a back injury. It sounds like he will be available for Swansea but PH didn't fully confirm.

There were no injury updates on A Davies, J Bogle, Lowe, O'Connell, C Clark, J Robinson, Stevens, Osborn, Fleck or Coulibaly.

 

[Keen Blade]

For those that drop in here for information and don't keep up with all of the club content, it sounds like Sharp is almost ready to go.
Unless desperate, I don't think we will risk him pre-international break but we will see.

Anel didn't train due to sickness but he is available for Swansea.
Baldock didn't train as he has a back injury. It sounds like he will be available for Swansea but PH didn't fully confirm.

There were no injury updates on A Davies, J Bogle, Lowe, O'Connell, C Clark, J Robinson, Stevens, Osborn, Fleck or Coulibaly.

For now we might as well forget about the 10 you mention coz Hecky says he's put them out of his mind till after the international break.
He's also said that full contact has been omitted from training sessions - they must be so scared of losing another defender.
We have 6 fit defenders of which only one , RND , is left-footed and in addition to this , we can name only 1 defensive sub.
Hecky mentioned today that Baldock is likely to play but carrying a back injury.
Any injury to any defender will now mean our shape would have to change in the following game , as we'd have no defender on the bench.
Hecky must be cursing our luck.
The Star has published our "25 man senior squad effective till January" as submitted to the EFL and noted that we have named only 24 (quite sensibly omitting JoC) so (acc to them) there is a spare place if we decide to recruit a free agent - my initial reaction is that I hope we are scouring everywhere to get a left-footer who can come in asap and relieve Hecky of the tightrope we are currently walking.
The Star has also published our submitted list of U21 players - this of course includes the 4 who already have a shirt number (Amissah , Gordon , Arblaster & Jebbo.
But there are 27 other names with which I am unfamiliar.
Question to those more knowledgeable than me - are there any U21s who could , if we don't manage to find a free agent , come in and do a defensive job ?

 

[robbiez666]

For now we might as well forget about the 10 you mention coz Hecky says he's put them out of his mind till after the international break.
He's also said that full contact has been omitted from training sessions - they must be so scared of losing another defender.
We have 6 fit defenders of which only one , RND , is left-footed and in addition to this , we can name only 1 defensive sub.
Hecky mentioned today that Baldock is likely to play but carrying a back injury.
Any injury to any defender will now mean our shape would have to change in the following game , as we'd have no defender on the bench.
Hecky must be cursing our luck.
The Star has published our "25 man senior squad effective till January" as submitted to the EFL and noted that we have named only 24 (quite sensibly omitting JoC) so (acc to them) there is a spare place if we decide to recruit a free agent - my initial reaction is that I hope we are scouring everywhere to get a left-footer who can come in asap and relieve Hecky of the tightrope we are currently walking.
The Star has also published our submitted list of U21 players - this of course includes the 4 who already have a shirt number (Amissah , Gordon , Arblaster & Jebbo.
But there are 27 other names with which I am unfamiliar.
Question to those more knowledgeable than me - are there any U21s who could , if we don't manage to find a free agent , come in and do a defensive job ?

Boyes is the obvious LWB but he's on loan at Forest Green and out injured
Gomis plays on the left of the CBs but don't think he's near.
I thought the 25 man squad didn't need to include U-21s so we could in theory bring more than one in.