Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

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I'd be shocked if this isn't the last we will see of Berge now. He and his agent will agitate for the move and make it difficult for us to turn down. Just a case of getting WB or whomever, to increase that offer to £20m with some add ons.

As per previous posts, he's miles off a £35m player but we should aim to at least not lose money on him.
 

Wouldn't accept anything less than £25m and a decent sell on clause. Don't forget genk have got a sell on clause from us so anything around £22m we probably end up losing money overall.

The German clubs aren't short of a bob or two despite them pleading poverty compared to English clubs. Dortmund just spent nearly £30m on haller the other day.
 
Unless daft money is offered, keep him for this season. Silly otherwise. He helps get us up we are quids in. It doesn't happen, then he will still be a £15m player next pre season. To me, some are looking at it the wrong way around. Its a gamble we have to take this season of we are looking to get up relatively soon after our relegation. Otherwise as other have stated, take out MGW and Berge from last seasons team and realistically we are going nowhere anytime soon re the Premier League. Unless it's daft money offered, or the lad himself starts kicking up a fuss (unlikely) then we have to give ourselves every chance and go for it this season. If it doesnt work out then we see what we can get next pre season and we start to cut back. But let's not reach for the pistol to shoot ourselves before we have at least given ourselves a chance to get out of the Championship again. Keep Berge.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I'd be shocked if this isn't the last we will see of Berge now. He and his agent will agitate for the move and make it difficult for us to turn down. Just a case of getting WB or whomever, to increase that offer to £20m with some add ons.

As per previous posts, he's miles off a £35m player but we should aim to at least not lose money on him.
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Weasel said:
Unless daft money is offered, keep him for this season. Silly otherwise. He helps get us up we are quids in. It doesn't happen, then he will still be a £15m player next pre season. To me, some are looking at it the wrong way around. Its a gamble we have to take this season of we are looking to get up relatively soon after our relegation. Otherwise as other have stated, take out MGW and Berge from last seasons team and realistically we are going nowhere anytime soon re the Premier League. Unless it's daft money offered, or the lad himself starts kicking up a fuss (unlikely) then we have to give ourselves every chance and go for it this season. If it doesnt work out then we see what we can get next pre season and we start to cut back. But let's not reach for the pistol to shoot ourselves before we have at least given ourselves a chance to get out of the Championship again. Keep Berge.
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Sell Berge and we need more than players to replace him.
He also puts fear in championship players as he dominates them with height, pace, power and quality control. How do we replace that? HRH can kiss goodbye to the PL for next season, if he goes.
 
Would love to keep him but presuming a better offer of around 25m comes in. How much of that are we likely to invest and who would replace him?
 
I’m pretty certain we will accept a bid of around what we paid for him. For me, it’s good news that this interest in coming so early in the window as it will leave us time to replace him or invest the money in other players.
 
Millhousesblade1889 said:
What would McCabe do if he was offered £18m at this stage.

Getting £22m plus for a player in the championship is something we probably can’t turn down. Replacement will be difficult but I’m a fan of the recruitment strategy we have in place
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Send our Turreh to negotiate where we end up selling him for £8mil and we get to loan a 8yo from their junior team for two weeks, and we get a friendly against the Greggs Sunday football team.
 

So Bremen blag us that they are skint so they can have burke for free then submit a cheeky 18 mill bid for berge the next week.

I wouldn't sell him at a loss he's taking us up this season. Sell him in Jan if we ain't top 2. Selling him for 5 mill less then we paid when he is a far better player now is ridiculous. Yes we might lose money if we sell next season, but we've already lost 20 mill on mcburnie and noone gives a shit about that. Fuck Bremen
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Whilst funny, myself & alcoblade were getting laughed at previously for suggesting that he's not worth anything like £35m. Opening offer is 50% of that sum...
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Come on play fair, you were getting called for hammering him, taking low ball bids or suggesting there’s no demonstrable indication of talent. At least Alco was/has at some point, although he did the same with Evans in his first season. I’m sure if I search back one of you would have mentioned accepting £10m if anyone was daft enough to offer it.

I personally don’t mind or take it seriously as it’s all subjective opinion but I also get if you do always have to run the team/players down folk are going to mention it. I’m sure I’d have gotten pelters if Lawrence had signed given my scepticism. You just make me laugh with your “Chicken Little” approach to anything that happens but there’s no malice in my amusement. I actively look forward to your posts landing now as soon as anything happens.
 
dc_blade said:
I’m pretty certain we will accept a bid of around what we paid for him. For me, it’s good news that this interest in coming so early in the window as it will leave us time to replace him or invest the money in other players.
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True, but if we sell him the selling clubs know we have cash and will try charging a premium. I’d like a shit or bust go for it season built around Berge but if he doesn’t want to be here probs best not stand in his way. A least we had him in his career bad spell with form and injuries.
 
Mojo said:
So Bremen blag us that they are skint so they can have burke for free then submit a cheeky 18 mill bid for berge the next week.
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I mean obviously the situations are entirely different. We needed Burke off the wage bill, and there was no way we were going to get a fee for him. We had him out on loan to someone in division when we had zero strikers fit - we quite clearly don't want him and other clubs knew they could get him off us free. The issue for someone like Millwall would have been wages as he joined us on a prem wage. We would have been funding a lot of his wages on loan at 'wall I expect.

Berge is a Rolls Royce at our level and we'd love to keep him, but he would very likely do well at somewhere mid tier Bundesliga and still has 2 years contracted, hence the value.

Personally I don't think we should let him go for under £25m, anything below that it's worth us missing out on that extra value now in the hope he drives us to the top 2 this year.

Some of the "we'll be lucky to get £10m" that we saw on here at various points were utterly laughable, the lad has always been a clear talent.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Come on play fair, you were getting called for hammering him, taking low ball bids or suggesting there’s no demonstrable indication of talent. At least Alco was/has at some point, although he did the same with Evans in his first season. I’m sure if I search back one of you would have mentioned accepting £10m if anyone was daft enough to offer it.

I personally don’t mind or take it seriously as it’s all subjective opinion but I also get if you do always have to run the team/players down folk are going to mention it. I’m sure I’d have gotten pelters if Lawrence had signed given my scepticism. You just make me laugh with your “Chicken Little” approach to anything that happens but there’s no malice in my amusement. I actively look forward to your posts landing now as soon as anything happens.
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I don't know if you're confusing me with another poster, but I don't think that I do "run the team down" etc. at every opportunity, certainly not intentionally.

I genuinely believe that it would be really difficult to get anything beyond £20m for Berge, given he hasn't proved anything at the highest level (PL) and has demonstrated that he's potentially a big risk in terms of injuries.
If I was a fan of a Leeds, Brentford, Forest etc. would he be somebody I'd be happy with us spending a big chunk of change on. For me, there's still too many question marks over him.

For him to be the £35m player that some believe he is, I think he'd have had to have contributed circa 10-15 goals and 10-15 assists last season and also shown a huge amount of promise whilst in the PL.
I asked for an example of a player that was sold for anything like that amount, out of our division, with a record similar to Berge's. Nobody could provide one.

You might view me as being a bit pesimistic at times and I'll accept that perhaps I can be. But I do try to be realistic, I'm not someone that plays devils advocate for reactions.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I don't know if you're confusing me with another poster, but I don't think that I do "run the team down" etc. at every opportunity, certainly not intentionally.

I genuinely believe that it would be really difficult to get anything beyond £20m for Berge, given he hasn't proved anything at the highest level (PL) and has demonstrated that he's potentially a big risk in terms of injuries.
If I was a fan of a Leeds, Brentford, Forest etc. would he be somebody I'd be happy with us spending a big chunk of change on. For me, there's still too many question marks over him.

For him to be the £35m player that some believe he is, I think he'd have had to have contributed circa 10-15 goals and 10-15 assists last season and also shown a huge amount of promise whilst in the PL.
I asked for an example of a player that was sold for anything like that amount, out of our division, with a record similar to Berge's. Nobody could provide one.

You might view me as being a bit pesimistic at times and I'll accept that perhaps I can be. But I do try to be realistic, I'm not someone that plays devils advocate for reactions.
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I don’t think you run the team down, that was more of a generalisation of those who are excessively negative getting called out on it.

At least what you’d accept for Berge has gone up £5M in the last few days so maybe there is still hope.

You are 100% more negative than optimistic, I don’t actually think I can recall an optimistic post from you on players signing or being sold or on your expectations but it’s not a dig, forums work when they have posters just being themselves. It was a genuine comment that I look or wait for your comments when a new post is made. I’m sure some would think me too optimistic but I genuinely do think there’s a Championship player in McBurnie albeit one we massively over paid for.
 
Dilemma for the Board because he's into the final 2 years of his contract. I'm confident gone are the days when we sell cheap after the Ramsdale negotiations. The suggestion has been made that we are looking to recover our money on him. That would require a bid of £25m plus when the sell on clause is taken into account. We are assuming the clause covers a percentage of the full price and not the profit above the £22m paid.

We're told there's no pressure to sell so let the bidding war begin if other clubs are interested. I don't see a sale happening quickly unless the bids go much higher. No disrespect to Werder Bremen but I doubt Berge and his agent will be banging PH's door down to leave for this one. Whilst the bids remain low around the £20m mark don't discount Arsenal coming in at the 11th hour. Stuivenberg the assistant manager brought Berge to Gent and rates him highly.

A good test for the Board if we get off to a flying start and offers come in at the end of the window. If we don't there is a greater risk he will go. A good test also for the recruitment and negotiating teams in getting a replacement in at the 11th hour something they have failed miserably on in the past.

I would prefer we keep him and go for it with a view to selling in January if we're not pushing for automatic although I acknowledge the club needs to get the best out of its assets.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I don’t think you run the team down, that was more of a generalisation of those who are excessively negative getting called out on it.

At least what you’d accept for Berge has gone up £5M in the last few days so maybe there is still hope.

You are 100% more negative than optimistic, I don’t actually think I can recall an optimistic post from you on players signing or being sold or on your expectations but it’s not a dig, forums work when they have posters just being themselves. It was a genuine comment that I look or wait for your comments when a new post is made. I’m sure some would think me too optimistic but I genuinely do think there’s a Championship player in McBurnie albeit one we massively over paid for.
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I think we were starting to make ground... then you brought up McBurnie!

There's obviously a player in there because he's done it before. We've just not seen him in such a long time now that I think it's time (for both parties sake) for there to be a split. Sadly, nobody will buy him so we must wait for him to walk on a free. Our worst ever signing when you consider the fee paid.

Berge, on the other hand, is clearly a cracking talent and I wouldn't be surprised if he moved to a middling Bundesliga club and then ended up at Dortmund or Bayern for the £35m mark that people have spoken of. I just don't think he's there yet for the reasons stated.
Crucial that we get a hefty sell on clause in any deal.
 
Titch1889 said:
22M and let him go. No loss on the player regarding purchase.
He doesn't want to be here, lingered with an injury, which could come back and be a 5m player as he's a gamble.
Could become an unreal player under the right system, not ours, sell him on for 22M which is more than what he's worth over the last 2 seasons and hope for a decent sell on fee, if he becomes the player most people know he's capable of being.

Then lump the 22m in hope wolves won't laugh at us for MGW lol.
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Your on the wrong message board Pal👍
 

From Berge’s perspective I’m not sure Werder will be the step up for his career he’s looking for. They are likely to be in a relegation scrap next season so he’s unlikely to be able to showcase his abilities to their best to get his next move to a truly bigger club. And I say this as someone who follows Werder in German football
 
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