Simon Jordan - got McCabe right, getting Wilder right

[FATTYFOULKE]

"Sneak out" is also a funny one: how does one sneak out from the job of managing a Premier League Football team? Didn't you notice he'd left or something?

Sneaked out because on more than one occasion he said “I walked in the front door and I’ll walk out the front door”

What actually happened was we were treated to rumours for 24-36hrs where the only information was coming from Talksport (other radio stations are available ) before the club confirmed he’d gone.

Nothing from Wilder, no explanation. All we knew was he‘d gone. It was a good while later we found out he’d asked for £4m ’compensation’’ after HE chose to walk away. Hopefully the snake got nothing like, but I’ve still heard he did end up with a good few hundred grand.

FOR WHAT???

That’s my money and your money that’s gone in his back pocket. The years and years money I’ve spent on season tickets wiped out by more by more than a hundred fold to line that cunts back pocket.

Why didn’t he speak out? Very much likely because there was a gagging order in place if he wanted his payoff.

We’ve still to this day had no explanation from him apart from the a statement he released through the LMA where he doesn’t tell us anything. All we’ve heard is the Prince’s side but nothing from him because he didn’t want his ill-gotten gain’s put in jeopardy.

If you don’t think that’s sneaking out the back door you must be Chris Wilder.

 

[nopigfansintown]

You can tell the ones who can't and won't hear a bad thing said about wilder to the ones who appreciate what he did but can also look past the promotions nd 9th place finish,he was great but he started getting big headed about it all if we won he was a genius if lost it was everyone else fault but his,even the boro fans are seeing it too and they have no sentiment towards him,if some want to keep going on like we owe wilder something go for it but me I'm grateful for what he's done but I owe him fuck all and if he's coming across as a big headed who fucked us off ill say it.

The mature thing is to do a cost benefit analysis. Wilder comes out hugely in the + column, and has bolstered his reputation since he left. Anything else is immature hot air. The same shite that was written about Warnock and Bassett.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Sneaked out because on more than one occasion he said “I walked in the front door and I’ll walk out the front door”

What actually happened was we were treated to rumours for 24-36hrs where the only information was coming from Talksport (other radio stations are available ) before the club confirmed he’d gone.

Nothing from Wilder, no explanation. All we knew was he‘d gone. It was a good while later we found out he’d asked for £4m ’compensation’’ after HE chose to walk away. Hopefully the snake got nothing like, but I’ve still heard he did end up with a good few hundred grand.

FOR WHAT???

That’s my money and your money that’s gone in his back pocket. The years and years money I’ve spent on season tickets wiped out by more by more than a hundred fold to line that cunts back pocket.

Why didn’t he speak out? Very much likely because there was a gagging order in place if he wanted his payoff.

We’ve still to this day had no explanation from him apart from the a statement he released through the LMA where he doesn’t tell us anything. All we’ve heard is the Prince’s side but nothing from him because he didn’t want his ill-gotten gain’s put in jeopardy.

If you don’t think that’s sneaking out the back door you must be Chris Wilder.

Wilder made a statement soon after he left. It was massive local and national news and he was still living and walking around the city. He answered questions about his future and said that he would stay "if the plan stayed the same". He never said he would stay regardless of any situation. If he wasn't sacked or pushed he wouldn't have received a pay off, that much is axiomatic.. If he was sacked or pushed then you're pointing fingers in the wrong direction. It's one or the other; you can't have it both ways.
Our money pays for very little - never mind the wage bill of a then premier league club. We weren't even attending matches at the time. Again, if Wilder can't speak out because of a gagging order then you're pointing fingers in the wrong direction. He is entitled to any money he has or hasn't got so why the gagging order? If his principle motivation was money, by the way, then he'd still be here; that much is obvious. He'd also have left United years before he did.

I also will note the broken promises Slav was made in passing. It should give people pause for thought imo.

 

[Chingo]

Wilder made a statement soon after he left. It was massive local and national news and he was still living and walking around the city. He answered questions about his future and said that he would stay "if the plan stayed the same". He never said he would stay regardless of any situation. If he wasn't sacked or pushed he wouldn't have received a pay off, that much is axiomatic.. If he was sacked or pushed then you're pointing fingers in the wrong direction. It's one or the other; you can't have it both ways.
Our money pays for very little - never mind the wage bill of a then premier league club. We weren't even attending matches at the time. Again, if Wilder can't speak out because of a gagging order then you're pointing fingers in the wrong direction. He is entitled to any money he has or hasn't got so why the gagging order? If his principle motivation was money, by the way, then he'd still be here; that much is obvious. He'd also have left United years before he did.

I also will note the broken promises Slav was made in passing. It should give people pause for thought imo.

Has this gagging order ever been confirmed or are some of us just presuming there was one?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Has this gagging order ever been confirmed or are some of us just presuming there was one?

It seems to be a presumption. Maybe it's better to just not say anything? Who actually benefits if they start firing shots at each other? Prince was in a difficult position because Wilder was God, still, so you can understand the 4 million comment I suppose. He had to get the fans onside. It wouldn't serve Wilder in any way to start firing shots back.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Wilder made a statement soon after he left. It was massive local and national news and he was still living and walking around the city. He answered questions about his future and said that he would stay "if the plan stayed the same". He never said he would stay regardless of any situation. If he wasn't sacked or pushed he wouldn't have received a pay off, that much is axiomatic.. If he was sacked or pushed then you're pointing fingers in the wrong direction. It's one or the other; you can't have it both ways.
Our money pays for very little - never mind the wage bill of a then premier league club. We weren't even attending matches at the time. Again, if Wilder can't speak out because of a gagging order then you're pointing fingers in the wrong direction. He is entitled to any money he has or hasn't got so why the gagging order? If his principle motivation was money, by the way, then he'd still be here; that much is obvious. He'd also have left United years before he did.

I also will note the broken promises Slav was made in passing. It should give people pause for thought imo.

You see that’s the problem. We don’t know if he was pushed or chose to walk out because he has never told us. All we know is what the Prince told us - he walked and then had the cheek to ask for £4m for the privilege.

How can he have made a statement “soon after he left” saying he would stay if the plan stayed the same? He didn’t, he went and said nothing. That isn’t walking out the front door, that’s walking out the back with your hood up and a pair of sunglasses on.

The point you make about our money pays for very little is true. But it still annoys me that all the financial contributions I and others have made to United have been more than wiped out by the likes of Mr Integrity Wilder and his grasping hands.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Has this gagging order ever been confirmed or are some of us just presuming there was one?

We presume because the silence from Wilder was and is deafening.

 

[Chingo]

But if you are under a gagging order and the other party puts something out that is untrue you are within your rights to respond , I would have thought wilder would have denied the 4m if it wasn’t true

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

It seems to be a presumption. Maybe it's better to just not say anything? Who actually benefits if they start firing shots at each other? Prince was in a difficult position because Wilder was God, still, so you can understand the 4 million comment I suppose. He had to get the fans onside. It wouldn't serve Wilder in any way to start firing shots back.

So the Prince made up the £4m demand from Wilder?

 

[Sean Thornton]

The mature thing is to do a cost benefit analysis. Wilder comes out hugely in the + column, and has bolstered his reputation since he left. Anything else is immature hot air. The same shite that was written about Warnock and Bassett.

If you claim that he “made” the club £300m then you have to include what he lost us by his abject failure in PL2 and his poor transfer dealings. (Still in credit over his tenure though l agree).

Has his reputation really been bolstered since? Took and average looking side into a play off challenge which has faltered resulting in a similar vibe at Boro to what happened here when the slide began.

It’s interesting that of the two most vociferous Wilder supporters on here, you state there’s virtually no quality in the squad ( for the PL) the other recognises that under Wilder the same squad would cakewalk this league. When we fell from 5th to a final 9th place, did you have any doubts whatsoever about the following season, where he didn’t look comfortable most of the time.

Like Basset, the pressure began to tell. DB remember started a top league season with 16 games without a win. And turned it around. Something that never ever looked like happening in the PL2 season. With him it was We, not Me.

 

[nopigfansintown]

You see that’s the problem. We don’t know if he was pushed or chose to walk out because he has never told us. All we know is what the Prince told us - he walked and then had the cheek to ask for £4m for the privilege.

How can he have made a statement “soon after he left” saying he would stay if the plan stayed the same? He didn’t, he went and said nothing. That isn’t walking out the front door, that’s walking out the back with your hood up and a pair of sunglasses on.

The point you make about our money pays for very little is true. But it still annoys me that all the financial contributions I and others have made to United have been more than wiped out by the likes of Mr Integrity Wilder and his grasping hands.

He made the "if the plan stays the same" comment quite a while before he left. We've seen the plan now: impressive wasn't it? So much so that they've scrapped it already with another manager moaning about broken promises. The 4 million comment is interesting for what isn't said, rather than what is: he said Wilder got a pay out which means he was sacked or the terms of his deal weren't lived up too. He said they asked for 4m - not that they got it. That may have been the opening gambit with him walking off with a fraction of that and, by the way, a fraction of the overall value of the contract which was in that eventuality likely breached (by a sacking or the contract being breached in some other way). The Prince was very precise with the words he chose, which is why those words reveal precisely nothing of value. It got the more gullible fans back onside though. If he said: "Chris Wilder asked for 4 million and we gave it to him despite us not sacking him or breaching the terms of his contract in any way"... then we have a different argument altogether. If the Prince paid him off in those circumstances then he's a fool throwing money in the fire. He would owe Wilder nothing.

 

['Doc' Pace my hero]

Wilder might do Steve Gibson a favour by leaving for Burnley,Boro could then approach Sean Dyche.

 

[nopigfansintown]

If you claim that he “made” the club £300m then you have to include what he lost us by his abject failure in PL2 and his poor transfer dealings. (Still in credit over his tenure though l agree).

Has his reputation really been bolstered since? Took and average looking side into a play off challenge which has faltered resulting in a similar vibe at Boro to what happened here when the slide began.

It’s interesting that of the two most vociferous Wilder supporters on here, you state there’s virtually no quality in the squad ( for the PL) the other recognises that under Wilder the same squad would cakewalk this league. When we fell from 5th to a final 9th place, did you have any doubts whatsoever about the following season, where he didn’t look comfortable most of the time.

Like Basset, the pressure began to tell. DB remember started a top league season with 16 games without a win. And turned it around. Something that never ever looked like happening in the PL2 season. With him it was We, not Me.

I'm not a Wilder supporter. I think he did a good job as Sheffield United manager and is, at the moment, doing the same at Middlesbrough. I could say the same about legions of managers at different clubs.

 

[Grecian2000]

Hopefully the snake got nothing like, but I’ve still heard he did end up with a good few hundred grand.

FOR WHAT???

How about:

Rescuing us from 6 seasons in the hideous third tier (where Wilson, Weir, Clough, Adkins had all failed) with 100 points.
Going and scoring 4 at the Sty and removing any talk of Boxing Day forever.
Getting promotion to the Premier League roughly 5 years quicker than Warnock did.
Being in a position to challenge for Europe prior to COVID kicking in.

He can have every penny I've ever paid to watch United for that lot, not enjoyed a period like it since the 70/71 season and the couple of years after that.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Ironically I’m not an admirer of Simon Jordan

As he says of Wilder same him quick to take plaudits on rare occasions he gets it right disappears up his own arse when he frequently gets it wrong

Oh wait a minute

 

[Sean Thornton]

Burnley will 'seek a short-term replacement for Sean Dyche until the end of the season before deciding on a permanent manager', with chairman Alan Pace 'wanting a new boss in place for Southampton's visit this Thursday'
By Abdi Rashid For Mailonline
09:29 18 Apr 2022, updated 21:38 18 Apr 2022


Food for thought?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Did Wilder talk to Pace when they were looking at acquiring SUFC from McCabe?

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

He made the "if the plan stays the same" comment quite a while before he left. We've seen the plan now: impressive wasn't it? So much so that they've scrapped it already with another manager moaning about broken promises. The 4 million comment is interesting for what isn't said, rather than what is: he said Wilder got a pay out which means he was sacked or the terms of his deal weren't lived up too. He said they asked for 4m - not that they got it. That may have been the opening gambit with him walking off with a fraction of that and, by the way, a fraction of the overall value of the contract which was in that eventuality likely breached (by a sacking or the contract being breached in some other way). The Prince was very precise with the words he chose, which is why those words reveal precisely nothing of value. It got the more gullible fans back onside though. If he said: "Chris Wilder asked for 4 million and we gave it to him despite us not sacking him or breaching the terms of his contract in any way"... then we have a different argument altogether. If the Prince paid him off in those circumstances then he's a fool throwing money in the fire. He would owe Wilder nothing.

Oh, you said he made that statement after he left.

What isn’t said? Not sure what you’re getting at. Wilder asked for it, hopefully the Prince wasn’t stupid enough to give it.

No idea why he got any payout because Wilder snuck out the back door and hasn’t told us.

Sacked, contract breached? Don’t know because Wilder snuck out the back door and hasn’t told us.

Give Wilder £4m he’s not entitled to? Why the fuck would he? You’re correct he owed Wilder nothing. Unfortunately we don’t know why he gave him anything at all because Wilder snuck out the back door and hasn’t told us.

 

[blades14]

Simon Jordan states nothing but facts

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Burnley will 'seek a short-term replacement for Sean Dyche until the end of the season before deciding on a permanent manager', with chairman Alan Pace 'wanting a new boss in place for Southampton's visit this Thursday'
By Abdi Rashid For Mailonline
09:29 18 Apr 2022, updated 21:38 18 Apr 2022


Food for thought?

Wilder won’t walk into that job till they’re confirmed relegated. Wouldn’t want it on his CV.

 

[Frank the tank]

But there was money to hire and then sack slav

Pay for MGW/B Davies / Olsen

Also pay for the depreciation in assets after appointing a manager who doesn't suit our playing squad

Slav would have been on the same wages or less than wilder and the loans were budgeted for ( as you stated yourself in an earlier contradiction)

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Slav would have been on the same wages or less than wilder and the loans were budgeted for ( as you stated yourself in an earlier contradiction)

And how much did it cost to sack Slav + Pay off wilder ??

The prince is on record saying it cost more to sack Slav than the entire budget for the JTW 2022

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

It's close but I'd say warnock is a better manager, definitely a better motivator of players and had a better eye for a player than wilder. Both got good good overall records although warnocks cv is a lot better

But most importantly I enjoyed watching warnock teams more than wilders... wilder could only play one way and when teams figured if out we were hopeless

Wilder played Football , very good attacking football

Warnock played kick the ball in the air and chase after it

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Simon Jordan states nothing but facts

Well its not a fact because Wilder was at the burnley game watching them vs spurs who they played next in the FA CUP

If anything Simon Jordan is stating nonsense and it wouldn't surprise me if wilder will be consulting his lawyers

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Sneaked out because on more than one occasion he said “I walked in the front door and I’ll walk out the front door”

What actually happened was we were treated to rumours for 24-36hrs where the only information was coming from Talksport (other radio stations are available ) before the club confirmed he’d gone.

Nothing from Wilder, no explanation. All we knew was he‘d gone. It was a good while later we found out he’d asked for £4m ’compensation’’ after HE chose to walk away. Hopefully the snake got nothing like, but I’ve still heard he did end up with a good few hundred grand.

FOR WHAT???

That’s my money and your money that’s gone in his back pocket. The years and years money I’ve spent on season tickets wiped out by more by more than a hundred fold to line that cunts back pocket.

Why didn’t he speak out? Very much likely because there was a gagging order in place if he wanted his payoff.

We’ve still to this day had no explanation from him apart from the a statement he released through the LMA where he doesn’t tell us anything. All we’ve heard is the Prince’s side but nothing from him because he didn’t want his ill-gotten gain’s put in jeopardy.

If you don’t think that’s sneaking out the back door you must be Chris Wilder.

What on earth are you talking about

You don't know as FACT that he was paid £4 million do you

Thats your money going in his back pocket ? What ?

That's also your money been spent on a training ground in Belgium by the prince and its also your money that was used to pay off Slav

 

[ThatJa]

With Boro's improvement and our improvement under Hecky (Wilder ball) it's a hard argument to make that we wouldn't be challenging the autos under Wilder. The shit pre season and crap fitness of the players wouldn't be a factor for starters. Nor would we have blown the Jan budget on sacking cheque book Slav.

You could also say we would probably have been challenging for autos under Hecky if he got it instead of Slav.

 

[bertieblade]

The opening post mentions that Simon Jordan got mccabe right
What exactly did he say ?

 

[nopigfansintown]

You could also say we would probably have been challenging for autos under Hecky if he got it instead of Slav.

I wouldn't disagree.

 

[JJBlade]

Incidentally, if he does go to Burnley he's an idiot.
Parasite owners - McCabe contact - on the road to nowhere.
Seriously. Would YOU have sacked Dyche?

Exactly the reason why he might go

Sign a four year deal knowing if he fails after six months he's got another 4 or 5 million payout

I'm not saying this is Wilders fault BTW

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

What on earth are you talking about

You don't know as FACT that he was paid £4 million do you

Thats your money going in his back pocket ? What ?

That's also your money been spent on a training ground in Belgium by the prince and its also your money that was used to pay off Slav

Do you actually read what you’re replying to?

Nowhere have I stated he got the £4m he asked for.

Of course it’s my money and everyone else’s going into his back pocket. Indirectly granted but how can you not see that?

I have paid my money into Sheffield United and a lot of it, not into foreign clubs but yes, it has paid off Slav. Difference being with Slav he was sacked and as far as we know Wilder was not. We don’t know for sure because he snuck out the back door and hasn’t told us what happened.

”I walked in the front door and I’ll walk out the front door” Not my words, not the Prince’s. Hiis.