Simon Jordan - got McCabe right, getting Wilder right

[Tarqs]

but the money in premier league is completely unrealistic. especially at the top we were playing man city who earn in a week what we earned in a month. that was on level playing field, also what money are southampton, Palace, Villa, Leeds spending to be 12th, 13rd, 15th & 16th

trying to compete with Newcastle was unrealistic, but after finishing in top 10 of PL you would thought we would be able to compete with championship bournemouth, but strong rumour was wilson wouldve had to take a pay cut to join us

Bournemouth are considerably more wealthy than we are irrespective of pl funds.

 

[Davalon]

The way our players bust a gut to beat Boro and wilder the other week shows how much the players are not so keen on Cwissy anymore !

That was my thought too.

 

[Bladesman]

The amount of blades who dislike our successful managers baffles me.

No one really dislikes Bassett, it's just Warnock and Wilder that have rubbed fans up the wrong way a bit since leaving.

 

[Champagneblade]

His job was to get us out of league one


He got us to 9th in the premier league

Initially yes.

But he wasn't getting paid 40-80k per week (depending on what you read) to take a team out of league One was he?

 

[SB_90]

No one really dislikes Bassett, it's just Warnock and Wilder that have rubbed fans up the wrong way a bit since leaving.

now probally not, i wasnt around but leopards dont change their spots & im sure he would have had his haters in the last 6 months

 

[Champagneblade]

Those threats were made because of what was been said by the prince in regards to the transfers in the summer at the time

CW said If we stick to the plan i will stay in a Radio Sheff interview I recall

The prince didn't want too and here we are

He wanted to keep all the players. Who does that happen to? Norwich, West Brom, Bournemouth all had to sell.

In the end most of the assets were so tarnished he'd have ended up still having them by default anyway.

He borrowed from the budget of future windows to get both Berge and Brewster.

That wasn't part of the plan either. So was it only an issue not being on plan when it suited?

 

[Davalon]

No one really dislikes Bassett, it's just Warnock and Wilder that have rubbed fans up the wrong way a bit since leaving.

It's not about disliking successful managers, it's about taking issue with things that have happened.

You can respect someone's achievements at our club but also not like certain other things.

Don't quite get this mentality that once you've done something really good, any other stuff should be ignored.

It's OK lauding CW for his commitment at Halifax and Northampton but people are defending him threatening to walk out on his own club because of not getting training ground repairs and not being allowed even more millions.

The two don't marry up.

I'm convinced he's got a bit big for his boots.

 

[Maidenhead]

But there was money to hire and then sack slav

Pay for MGW/B Davies / Olsen

Also pay for the depreciation in assets after appointing a manager who doesn't suit our playing squad

We borrowed the money to pay for this seasons signings, secured against the incoming Ramsdale fees.

My guess is that we did that because we didn't have the cash to spend.

Depreciation is a non cash expense so we didn't have to spend any of the cash that we didn't have to pay for that.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I think Simon Jordan is spot on.

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

I got the impression CW was on the edge of cracking up with the pressure for some considerable time and Jamie Vardy shoved him over it with that goal and his subsequent assault on the corner flag. I blame the pig fan......

 

[Tarqs]

I think Simon Jordan is spot on.

I don't get the hatred for Jordan, might have been a twat of a chairman, but as a guest on the show, he's a straight shooter and most of the time I agree with everything he says.

 

[Torrix1889]

The amount of blades who dislike our successful managers baffles me.

That's Warnock & Wilder then, the rest are pretty much liked. Probably because both of those eventually believed in their own hype and thought they were bigger than the club.

Warnock always split the fanbase, even during the great times a lot thought he was a knob and he hasn't endeared himself since he left, rarely has anything good to say about the Club and has affiliated himself more with other sets of fans.

Wilder was different in that he was universally adored...the cracks started to appear though when he held us to ransom for a better deal on 2 or 3 occasions and fucked off having left us looking down the barrel of a gun, his decisions cost us millions and will leave a legacy we will probably take years to get over.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Why did they play the best they have played all season against him and his team the other week then ?
As the thread on here said after the game “that was personal”

then the players are wankers for only turning up in that game.

 

[Scarebus]

I have nothing to add other than I fucking love a good Widler thread

 

[Balham]

Pretty sure Norwich had the lowest wage budget.

United 19/20 wages (13 months): £77.9m
United 20/21 wages (11 months): £56.5m

By comparison:
Norwich 19/20 wages: £88.9m
Norwich 20/21 wages: £66.6m

Bournemouth 19/20 wages: £107.9m
Bournemouth 20/21 wages: £57.4m

Both those clubs were also able to bring in £55m-odd in transfer fees on relegation. We got half of that through Ramsdale so in a way it's good that we didn't have as big a hole to fill.

Wilder didn't just want domestic talent, he wanted players that were totally unachievable. He wanted our wage structure smashed.

Callum Wilson is a fine player, but he's hardly reliable, he's as much time in the medical room as on the pitch. Also he was on 80k a week.
We were never paying 35m and 70k a week on Ollie Watkins.

The asks were totally unrealistic.

Danny Welbeck was another wasn't he? Good player but not worth us breaking our wage structure for.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I’d much rather my manager get the face on after a defeat than brush it off like Hecky has recently ^^^^^^^^^

 

[gordoncharles]

Oh look another Wilder thread to get us all bickering.

Would we have done better this season had be stayed? Probably. But he wanted to go. He's made a habit of positioning himself for better jobs having done that at Oxford, Northampton and here.

I could be on the unpopular opinions thread because though I enjoyed the football for 3 and a half years I never liked his egocentric personality, which got magnified to enormous proportions by the universal praise he received, and the one-of-our-own stuff is cringeworthy to me. Yuk.

Those who are saying "he took us to 9th in the Premier League" seem to forget that wasn't where the story ended. We were 5th at one point that season, I'm surprised that high watermark isn't the one that's brought up.

And he didn't "make us £100m". If he did. then some pillock has lost it. Has anyone looked down the back of the sofa?

In conclusion. Simon Jordan is right. We live in strange times.

 

[Drunk blade]

Agree with him 100% about the 'not his fault' bit, in wilders own words he'd had the best transfer window ever, then when teams had figured our tactics out and it looked like we were going down with a record low points total we had a championship squad and he'd not been backed. Nothing to do with having no plan B and you buying a load of shit players.. eh Chris!!?

Wilder did a great job getting us up and will always be a legend, 3rd best manager in my lifetime behind warnock and basset, who matched his achievements without the war chest WIlder was given.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Agree with him 100% about the 'not his fault' bit, in wilders own words he'd had the best transfer window ever, then when teams had figured our tactics out and it looked like we were going down with a record low points total we had a championship squad and he'd not been backed. Nothing to do with having no plan B and you buying a load of shit players.. eh Chris!!?

Wilder did a great job getting us up and will always be a legend, 3rd best manager in my lifetime behind warnock and basset, who matched his achievements without the war chest WIlder was given.

You reckon Warnock was a better manager than wilder


You cant genuinely believe that ?

 

[Chilttheblade]

Didn't he more than double that money and then see us get 30 million of it back when we sold Ramsdale - or is that a different Wilder? Not to mention leaving the current squad who looked for from terrible once we got a competent person in charge? As you say:" You can shout and scream and hissy fit and claim facts in bold and capitals. But you'd still be #FakeNews".

Wow you must know all about #Fake News
Friend Wilder sold Ramsdale for £1,000,000 bought him back for £18,000,000 and was sold for £24,000,000 . Hardly brilliant business.

 

[Brewster Cost £70 million]

You can tell the ones who can't and won't hear a bad thing said about wilder to the ones who appreciate what he did but can also look past the promotions nd 9th place finish,he was great but he started getting big headed about it all if we won he was a genius if lost it was everyone else fault but his,even the boro fans are seeing it too and they have no sentiment towards him,if some want to keep going on like we owe wilder something go for it but me I'm grateful for what he's done but I owe him fuck all and if he's coming across as a big headed who fucked us off ill say it.

 

[robbiez666]

We may as well change the title of this forum to the Middlesbrough and Chris Wilder forum.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

mcburnie ( guesstimate £15m, when he is sold for £5m ) etc etc.

I would love to think someone would give us £5m for McBurnie. Sadly I think we would be lucky to get £500k. I bet if we said to Wilder McBurnie’s yours for £5m he’d run a mile.

 

[Drunk blade]

You reckon Warnock was a better manager than wilder


You cant genuinely believe that ?

It's close but I'd say warnock is a better manager, definitely a better motivator of players and had a better eye for a player than wilder. Both got good good overall records although warnocks cv is a lot better

But most importantly I enjoyed watching warnock teams more than wilders... wilder could only play one way and when teams figured if out we were hopeless

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Why is he getting wilder right ?

Wilder left because the prince told him we would only be able to sign loan players and that would be financed by selling 2 major players
CW said either we have one go at it or i leave

He left and we did exactly what the prince said to CW this time last year

In hindsight if we would have kept CW and had a sensible go at it for one season we would have cakewalked the league

Instead poundland princer sacked the manager who he hired after 3 months because he wasn't given what he was promised and we appointed a glorified Youth team coach

All this anti CW nonsense is BS yes he through a strop but he was also the best manager we have had or the second best ever

Those are FACTS

The fact is Wilder sulked his way out of Bramall Lane like a massive mardy get. Let him get a monk on somewhere else.

 

[wavy-blade]

One of the best manger's we've had in my life time, the atmosphere he created with the team and the fans will never be beaten , some of the best times I have had was under Wilder , I don't begrudge him anything at all .

Not my favorite manager , that will always be Bassett .

PS Chris when you go to Burnley , McBurnie will be a prefect fit for you

 

[Old Programme seller]

Didn’t CW get a nice big pay rise when Westham showed interest? Noe Burnley show some interest and … history repeating itself just sayin’

 

[bakeblade]

He'll be a wealthy idiot

Exactly

 

[CaptainMorgans]

What did he say about McCabe?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Wow you must know all about #Fake News
Friend Wilder sold Ramsdale for £1,000,000 bought him back for £18,000,000 and was sold for £24,000,000 . Hardly brilliant business.

Wilder had zero money to spend except the money generated from player sales. One of the lowest budgets and wage budgets in the league. Ramsdale was an academy player that had played in one cup game. Those sales earned the club 300 million and the squad we had when we got there. Amazing business. The sell on clause was part of the deal that meant we got him back for substantially less than the #Fakenews you posted. If it's Wilder's fault we sold him (bollocks by the way) it's his fault we benefited from the sell on clause. You can't have it both ways. Now imagine an alternative reality where we had a board that allowed us to keep Calvert Lewin, Adams, Ramsdale, Brooks etc.