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You only have to look at the bottom of that list to realise attendances mean nothing when comparing them to overall success. Large attendance figures have never given anyone an extra point and are nothing to brag about. We are in the ascendance at the moment. That might change, but I believe the average Unitedite is not that bothered about attendances ( unlike the average Wednesdayite). We can take the high ground for now, but I don’t think we should act like Wednesday by crowing about it too much. Enjoy it, but don’t rub it in.
 
Eddiecolquhounsleg said:
Large attendance figures have never given anyone an extra point and are nothing to brag about. We are in the ascendance at the moment. That might change, but I believe the average Unitedite is not that bothered about attendances ( unlike the average Wednesdayite). We can take the high ground for now, but I don’t think we should act like Wednesday by crowing about it too much. Enjoy it, but don’t rub it in.
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I disagree. It's all we heard for years and now this subject crushes them. Hit them hard!!
 
Sheffsteel said:
That table is out of date.

We’ve now played 18 home matches.
The attendance against Barnsley was about 28.5K.

Our average is currently 27,503, as shown in the opening post.

There is no longer enough games left for Nottingham to over take us, as their ground currently holds 29K.

We just need to get attendances over 25K (which we will easily) the last few home games for us to top the attendance table.

Also another weird but true star is our average this season will exceed 27.5.

In the last 50 years SWFC have beaten it about 4 times.
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It was in date at the time of the original posting !!

Here is the upto date one.

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Hobgoblin said:
I hate to say it but all this really tells me is the premier league sell out, after this teams doing well get good crowds. Sunderland is very good considering that's mostly home fans, due to the opposition
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There's a recent new phenomenon over the past decade that effects the average attendance figures. Sunderland gates in the past have been quite low but are reported as being much higher due to season tickets holders being included even when they don't attend.

Many clubs....Wednesday did it and we followed this season.
Charge high "pay on the day" prices....so this gives them permission to charge away fans the same high prices.
However they encourage and reward genuine fans by applying big savings if you buy a season ticket.

Personally I tend to miss about 4 home games per season.
In the past there was no economical saving paying up front for a season ticket...so I never bothered.
However now I can miss plenty of home matches and a season ticket still makes financial sense, hence I always buy a season ticket now.

I remember plenty of clubs like Arsenal and Sunderland in the top flight.
You would see on tv that their grounds were about 50% full when they were struggling but the official gate was always given as a full stadium.

The city of Sheffield seems to have followed the current fashion too with both clubs selling close to record numbers of season tickets.
SWFC selling 18K season tickets and United 22K season tickets.
Even if both clubs were struggling with hardly anyone in the stadia, it's tickets sold not attendees.
So SW are guaranteed close to 20K attendance and SU a minimum close to 25K attendance.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
There's a recent new phenomenon over the past decade that effects the average attendance figures. Sunderland gates in the past have been quite low but are reported as being much higher due to season tickets holders being included even when they don't attend.

Many clubs....Wednesday did it and we followed this season.
Charge high "pay on the day" prices....so this gives them permission to charge away fans the same high prices.
However they encourage and reward genuine fans by applying big savings if you buy a season ticket.

Personally I tend to miss about 4 home games per season.
In the past there was no economical saving paying up front for a season ticket...so I never bothered.
However now I can miss plenty of home matches and a season ticket still makes financial sense, hence I always buy a season ticket now.

I remember plenty of clubs like Arsenal and Sunderland in the top flight.
You would see on tv that their grounds were about 50% full when they were struggling but the official gate was always given as a full stadium.

The city of Sheffield seems to have followed the current fashion too with both clubs selling close to record numbers of season tickets.
SWFC selling 18K season tickets and United 22K season tickets.
Even if both clubs were struggling with hardly anyone in the stadia, it's tickets sold not attendees.
So SW are guaranteed close to 20K attendance and SU a minimum close to 25K
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I am like you, I miss a few matches, mainly at night when working away. I used to not think much about this. I had a season ticket as it was may of supporting and being part of the club. Unfortunately I am little more cynical these days and do look at price per game. A season ticket makes sense financially which I think helps a lot with attendance figures.

I personally think our home game attendance reporting isn't to far of the mark. I think when we went up under Warnock we averaged around 25k, the stadium seems a lot fuller now than then.

The attendance thing to me only adds to my match day experience, I enjoy a large away following both at home and away, which gets everyone going. Apart from this and the financial benefits that it brings attendances really mean nothing. Unfortunately you don't get any points for a full stadium. If you did Manchester United would top the premier league we would be top of the championship and Sunderland would be the top of league 1.
 
Hobgoblin said:
I am like you, I miss a few matches, mainly at night when working away. I used to not think much about this. I had a season ticket as it was may of supporting and being part of the club. Unfortunately I am little more cynical these days and do look at price per game. A season ticket makes sense financially which I think helps a lot with attendance figures.

I personally think our home game attendance reporting isn't to far of the mark. I think when we went up under Warnock we averaged around 25k, the stadium seems a lot fuller now than then.

The attendance thing to me only adds to my match day experience, I enjoy a large away following both at home and away, which gets everyone going. Apart from this and the financial benefits that it brings attendances really mean nothing. Unfortunately you don't get any points for a full stadium. If you did Manchester United would top the premier league we would be top of the championship and Sunderland would be the top of league 1.
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Think that the next time both Sheffield clubs are in the same division (could be next year), they both ought to revert to giving the whole 'away' end to the opposition, rather than the lower tier on Bramall Lane and upper tier on Leppings Lane. Maybe have to shuffle some season ticket holders on the BLUT, but don't think there's that many of those anyway. Matches at both grounds have much better atmospheres when it's more partisan.....
 
Alan Birchenall's hair said:
Think that the next time both Sheffield clubs are in the same division (could be next year), they both ought to revert to giving the whole 'away' end to the opposition, rather than the lower tier on Bramall Lane and upper tier on Leppings Lane. Maybe have to shuffle some season ticket holders on the BLUT, but don't think there's that many of those anyway. Matches at both grounds have much better atmospheres when it's more partisan.....
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No season tickets available on BLUT.
Would miss out on bigger home crowds when demand dictates alongside small away followings… think club have this approach right.
 
EddieColquhoun said:
I disagree. It's all we heard for years and now this subject crushes them. Hit them hard!!
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I know what you mean. I think that I have mellowed a bit as I’ve got older. The attendance thing did bother me but not so much now. I am quite happy to take the moral high ground for the moment and see how creative they can be in massaging the figures to make it look like they are still relevant.
 
Alan Birchenall's hair said:
Think that the next time both Sheffield clubs are in the same division (could be next year), they both ought to revert to giving the whole 'away' end to the opposition, rather than the lower tier on Bramall Lane and upper tier on Leppings Lane. Maybe have to shuffle some season ticket holders on the BLUT, but don't think there's that many of those anyway. Matches at both grounds have much better atmospheres when it's more partisan.....
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Stuff that. We can sell our home allocation out. They can’t.
 
Alan Birchenall's hair said:
Think that the next time both Sheffield clubs are in the same division (could be next year), they both ought to revert to giving the whole 'away' end to the opposition, rather than the lower tier on Bramall Lane and upper tier on Leppings Lane. Maybe have to shuffle some season ticket holders on the BLUT, but don't think there's that many of those anyway. Matches at both grounds have much better atmospheres when it's more partisan.....
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Totally disagree.

Every club has a duty to look after their own fans and try to boost finances.

We have a smaller capacity, can easily fill most of our stadium with our fans. We treat SW the same as every other club and give them 2.3K tickets and every derby game at the Lane easily sells out.

At Hillsboro their ground is bigger and they recently struggle to sell out. The upper tier holds 3K and when that sells out they offer another 2K in the lower tier to every other club.

Leeds only give SW 2.5K tickets but they don’t copy and only offer Leeds 2.5K in return. That would be cutting your nose off to spite your face, so they always gave Leeds 5K tickets.

If Wednesday could fill the lower tier with their own fans I’d partially understand but they choose to lose revenue in a tit for tat arrangement.

Remember when we played MK Dons, the last away match when we took 8.5K to their stadium. It’s almost like their owner restricting our ticket allocation to 2.2K using the argument that was the max we allowed their fans in our away end.

Bottom line is we should treat SW away allocation like we do every other club. And they should treat the SU away allocation like they do every other club.
 
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We are fucking stupid giving away fans behind the net, we should lob them in kop corner or the corner near SS and get a proper intimidating atmosphere going.
 
LS26BLADE said:
We are fucking stupid giving away fans behind the net, we should lob them in kop corner or the corner near SS and get a proper intimidating atmosphere going.
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The Kop corner holds about 300 fans and the other corner is the best view in the ground...let's not give it away to away fans! The lower tier is a shite view - let them pay £31 to sit there because no Blades would ever do that.
 



nicksufc said:
The Kop corner holds about 300 fans and the other corner is the best view in the ground...let's not give it away to away fans! The lower tier is a shite view - let them pay £31 to sit there because no Blades would ever do that.
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I agree. Whilst it would be nice to have them stuck on the side or in a corner, these aren’t really options at the Lane currently. I agree with you and think we have the away fans in the worst place (for them) that we can realistically choose.
 
Attendances obviously don’t provide success as Fulham are 9th and Bournemouth are bottom prove this both play good football and look as though they’re getting promotion and even may have the highest value squads.
 
Eddiecolquhounsleg said:
You only have to look at the bottom of that list to realise attendances mean nothing when comparing them to overall success. Large attendance figures have never given anyone an extra point and are nothing to brag about. We are in the ascendance at the moment. That might change, but I believe the average Unitedite is not that bothered about attendances ( unlike the average Wednesdayite). We can take the high ground for now, but I don’t think we should act like Wednesday by crowing about it too much. Enjoy it, but don’t rub it in.
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And when you factor in the fact that 80-90% of attendances are made up of season ticket holders who buy before a ball is kicked based on expectation, the statements like "Oooh look at our attendances and we're bottom of the league" mean nothing.

If people just turned up to pay on the day like 90% of people used to the attendances for bottom of the league clubs would be way lower

If expectations are good or reasonable before a ball is kicked season ticket sales will be good, therefore average attendances will be.

If you struggle one year season tickets will be lower, struggle the year after and they will be lower again, which is why Cardiff, Stoke, Reading, Birmingham are on a decline as far as attendances are concerned
 
JJBlade said:
If you struggle one year season tickets will be lower, struggle the year after and they will be lower again, which is why Cardiff, Stoke, Reading, Birmingham are on a decline as far as attendances are concerned
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That’s true, but I wouldn’t expect us to drop as low as those. We got bigger attendances when we were struggling in L1 than they all get now.
 
S64 Blade said:
That’s true, but I wouldn’t expect us to drop as low as those. We got bigger attendances when we were struggling in L1 than they all get now.
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But how much of that was based on us expecting promotion each year ?
 
I remember when we signed Richard Cadette paid for partly by a part crowd funding scheme and the season tickets numbers did increase.
 
JJBlade said:
But how much of that was based on us expecting promotion each year ?
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Pretty much every club thinks they’re going to go up, or it might be their year for the play offs. We had 6 years expecting to go up in League One.

Consistently getting 18/19k throughout shouldn’t be sniffed at. None of the clubs you mentioned would get that if it was the other way around.
 
If I ever miss Gary Sinclair telling us what the attendance is I or I’ve not gone then I usually go onto the BBC website to find out what it is. Where do people find there’s out? I’ve been looking for last night but to no avail on the tinterweb
 
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