Do you want him to sign??

[Bladesman]

[video=youtube_share;F7T7JDq2m8w]http://youtu.be/F7T7JDq2m8w[/video]

there you go point about being overweight moot

That video is quality.

Some good banter.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

People seem to have quickly forgot that Beattie was an over weight, lazy and overpaid striker than contributed bugger all. An individual and not a team player. He made one consolation sprint back to his own line (cup game against Villa) to put in a token tackle,

Wasn't that against Miidlesbrough in the FA Cup replay at the Riverside?

...made a few visits to Sheffield hospital, signed a few autographs and scored a few pens and suddenly he is the best striker since Deane. Fat BT is not fit to lace Fjortoft's boots, made Nathan Blake look like DidierDrogba and Rob Hulse like a young Torres.

The stats say that he is the best striker we've had since Deane. He scored more goals than Fjortoft, Blake and Hulse. He scored more than Fjortoft an Hulse combined!

 

[Sirius]

Can't see us wasting a wage on an unfit player so assuming he is fit your answer is yes??

I can. We've spent shit loads of dosh on unfit players over many years.

 

[shorehamview]

Time for a Swiss Tony moment:
BT in this division is like buying a vintage champagne on the first date with a bird from Carlisle.

You know that you've a fair chance of getting in her knickers, but do you push the boat out and go for the good stuff, knowing full well that you'll get a 100% guaranteed shag just because its expense.

Or do you take her to Yates' get a cheap bottle of Spumante and hope that she'll put out just because she's pissed.

You could always for for option (C) Wait and see what her 17 year old sister is like, because she's quite a looker compared to the rest of the lasses on the blue WKD, or even option (D) Get her half a lager laced with Rohypnol, drag her off into the wilds of Tadcaster, and hope nobody hears the screams. (c) J. Rockliffe 2003.

 

[metalblade]

He was good with free kicks and penalties otherwise a lazy slob who contributed nothing as a team player, if he had any concience he would sign a 2 year deal on zero wages.......... one of a long list of overpaid under achievers that have helped to get us where we are now, and to think when he signed for us a future England player went the other way no wonder the wednesdayites are laughing their bollocks off at us.

 

[Bergen Blade]

The stats say that he is the best striker we've had since Deane. He scored more goals than Fjortoft, Blake and Hulse. He scored more than Fjortoft an Hulse combined!

He played more games though. Fjørtofts goal per game ratio was 0,564, Beattie's was 0,523.

Our current strikers:
Porter 0,28
Cresswell 0,26
Evans 0,24

 

[stannyblade]

no wonder the wednesdayites are laughing their bollocks off at us.

Who cares what the grunters think. Beattie will score plenty in league 1

 

[blade too long]

If he comes back and scores any free kicks like he used to , be worth it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_p7oJ8iwA8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2krZ5xl6rY&feature=related

 

[super_pig]

>Let's drag 'Cotts' off whatever bench he's sitting on and bring him back as well, shall we?
>Given he's better than any wide player on the books, that's a very good idea.
then at least we might get a decent delivery on freekicks and corners and might score a penalty now and again.. i'm a bit unsure about this.. can't help thinkning that if he was any good he wouldn't be coming here

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

So basically what you are saying Pat, is that Beattie has not scored in a competitive game for a couple of years and his current spell is 18 games without a goal. This is a striker well into his 30's who has barely played the last few years because of injuries and fitness.

Yep, snap him up. The saviour is here.

So you would agree with me that if he regains full fitness he will score goals?

Your argument against signing him seems to be centered around his injury record.

This is understandable, its a valid concern. But 33 is not too old to rediscover fitness and form.

So he's not scored in 18 (injury ridden) games, so what? - strikers are creatures of confidence/form.

Torres has been fully fit and has scored 3 in 23 for Chelsea - does that make him a bad player?

 

[Ollessendro]

He was good with free kicks and penalties otherwise a lazy slob who contributed nothing as a team player, if he had any concience he would sign a 2 year deal on zero wages.......... one of a long list of overpaid under achievers that have helped to get us where we are now, and to think when he signed for us a future England player went the other way no wonder the wednesdayites are laughing their bollocks off at us.

Finally someone talking sense. All the mediocrity lovers are hoping for yet another failed come back. There's is even talk of fans wanting Nade and Stokes back. They would score bucket loads in this league. It's a real laugh or cry situation.

So you would agree with me that if he regains full fitness he will score goals?

Your argument against signing him seems to be centered around his injury record.

This is understandable, its a valid concern. But 33 is not too old to rediscover fitness and form.

So he's not scored in 18 (injury ridden) games, so what? - strikers are creatures of confidence/form.

Torres has been fully fit and has scored 3 in 23 for Chelsea - does that make him a bad player?

No my issue with BT is that he is a lazy, overrated, individual that offers little to the team other than a goal every now and then. He's good at free kicks and pens, but offered bugger all else. Look what happened when he left. We started playing better. He came in on huge money and achieved bugger all. Best striker since Deane?! Laughable. Bent mark 1, Hulse, Fjortoft, Shipperley and Deane mark II were better. Andy Gray, Jostein Flo and Gareth Taylor were at a similar level.

Beattie is a never been that pillaged 40k a week out of a United team that achieved bugger all. After he left we played better and almost got promoted. But we love average-ness and we love an ex 'hero', so let the obsession continue.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Totally bewildered by that view Olle. Beattie is a proven goal scorer.

His career speaks for itself. 124 league goals, 90 of them in the top flight!

Also 5 caps for England. If he's overrated he's fooled a lot of people for a long time.

If as you say he offers nothing apart from the odd goal, then I'll take that (goals win games).

If Beattie is mediocrity then give me mediocrity all day long!

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Finally someone talking sense. All the mediocrity lovers are hoping for yet another failed come back. There's is even talk of fans wanting Nade and Stokes back. They would score bucket loads in this league. It's a real laugh or cry situation.



No my issue with BT is that he is a lazy, overrated, individual that offers little to the team other than a goal every now and then. He's good at free kicks and pens, but offered bugger all else. Look what happened when he left. We started playing better. He came in on huge money and achieved bugger all. Best striker since Deane?! Laughable. Bent mark 1, Hulse, Fjortoft, Shipperley and Deane mark II were better. Andy Gray, Jostein Flo and Gareth Taylor were at a similar level.

Beattie is a never been that pillaged 40k a week out of a United team that achieved bugger all. After he left we played better and almost got promoted. But we love average-ness and we love an ex 'hero', so let the obsession continue.

Did he take 40k a week out of united?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

No my issue with BT is that he is a lazy, overrated, individual that offers little to the team other than a goal every now and then. He's good at free kicks and pens, but offered bugger all else. Look what happened when he left. We started playing better. He came in on huge money and achieved bugger all. Best striker since Deane?! Laughable. Bent mark 1, Hulse, Fjortoft, Shipperley and Deane mark II were better. Andy Gray, Jostein Flo and Gareth Taylor were at a similar level.

Beattie is a never been that pillaged 40k a week out of a United team that achieved bugger all. After he left we played better and almost got promoted. But we love average-ness and we love an ex 'hero', so let the obsession continue.

How could you even begin to justify Rob Hulse or Andy Gray being better than James Beattie? Mind boggling.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

How could you even begin to justify Rob Hulse or Andy Gray being better than James Beattie? Mind boggling.

It's all part of the "LOOK AT ME!!" strategy.

 

[Bladesway]

No my issue with BT is that he is a lazy, overrated, individual that offers little to the team other than a goal every now and then. He's good at free kicks and pens, but offered bugger all else. Look what happened when he left. We started playing better. He came in on huge money and achieved bugger all. Best striker since Deane?! Laughable. Bent mark 1, Hulse, Fjortoft, Shipperley and Deane mark II were better. Andy Gray, Jostein Flo and Gareth Taylor were at a similar level.

Beattie is a never been that pillaged 40k a week out of a United team that achieved bugger all. After he left we played better and almost got promoted. But we love average-ness and we love an ex 'hero', so let the obsession continue.

Not a single fact but a host of shouted fiction that suits the claims of the poster. Opinions are like arsoles though, everyone has one. Best striker since Deane in that his all round quality and ability to drag a flapping and flailing team somewhere near the brink of promotion. That he was part of Blackwells team that got within 3 points of automatic promotion (with him and his goals we would have gone straight up in my opinion). A tallisman for the team and someone who the other players (ask them) of the time like Billy Sharp etc had massive respect for. For all that people say about his billy big bollocks attitude, it was (from the mouths of those who played with him) never apparent. His pay packet from what I understand is vastly overinflated by those who use it as a stick to beat him with. He was as I understand it on about half of what is stated as basic with the rest payable as a big fat bonus should we get promoted. We didn't so he didn't get his bonus. Smart business by all concerned as I see it.

He was one of the few shining lights in what has been otherwise a catalogue of shite. Scored goals frequently (for those who are hard of thinking, this is what wins games by the way, not huff and puff) and in his 18 months with us was pretty faultless in his efforts and his conversion rate of chances to shots on target.

I sometimes think we deliberately shun quality players from SUFC for our preference of triers like Bob Booker etc etc. We prefer effort over quality. We would be better driving around in a beat up old Austin Allegro than a fancy Ferarri. None of that luxury and quality for us, oh no. We want down and dirty.

For someone who shouts the virtues of football over Hoof, you are contrary Ollie. But perhaps this is old you surfacing for a look in the mirror again?

 

[Revolution]

I sometimes think we deliberately shun quality players from SUFC for our preference of triers like Bob Booker etc etc. We prefer effort over quality. We would be better driving around in a beat up old Austin Allegro than a fancy Ferarri. None of that luxury and quality for us, oh no. We want down and dirty.

For someone who shouts the virtues of football over Hoof, you are contrary Ollie. But perhaps this is old you surfacing for a look in the mirror again?

Quite. All the crap about how everyone else loves mediocrety, and he hates the one genuine class player we've signed since we were relegated.

Plus how anyone can say Hulse is better than Beattie after their respective 2007-8 seasons is beyond me. What was it, no goals in 20 or 21 games for Hulse?

Olle, you were much more interesting when you posted what you actually saw, rather than tried to play a part for the sake of it. Like I said in the other thread, I see arguments for not signing Beattie, but this stuff does you no credit at all.

 

[super_pig]

olle does make a valuable point though in that we seem to be obsessed with former players.. maybe because most of them seem to go onto better things.. last year it was micheal brown.. plus i've seen numerous posts about tonge and even jagielka 'coming back on loan'.. (which was frankly laughable)..we need to move forwards not backwards.. we currently have a squad of youngsters with potential (lowton, macguire, long) and journeymen pro's on their last paypacket (collins, doyle, cresswell, simmonsen) .. we need to break this mold

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

olle does make a valuable point though in that we seem to be obsessed with former players.. maybe because most of them seem to go onto better things.. last year it was micheal brown.. plus i've seen numerous posts about tonge and even jagielka 'coming back on loan'.. (which was frankly laughable)..we need to move forwards not backwards.. we currently have a squad of youngsters with potential (lowton, macguire, long) and journeymen pro's on their last paypacket (collins, doyle, cresswell, simmonsen) .. we need to break this mold

Sentiment for former players isnt a trait exclusive to Blades.

Almost all football fans are fond of a returning hero.

For most it is for sentimental reasons and I would agree that there's little room for that.

In the case of others it is because you know what that player is capable of.

We know what Beattie is capable of, sentiment comes second.

 

[broomhillblade]

Totally bewildered by that view Olle. Beattie is a proven goal scorer.
!

So when did Beattie last score a goal?

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

So when did Beattie last score a goal?

According to Olle two years ago. I dont follow it that closely so I'll take his word.

That spell accounts for 18 games so we can assume he's struggled with injury.

Should we write him off for an 18 game spell?

 

[davidpinder]

According to Olle two years ago. I dont follow it that closely so I'll take his word.

That spell accounts for 18 games so we can assume he's struggled with injury.

Should we write him off for an 18 game spell?

And were any of those games in league 1??

 

[Bladesway]

So when did Beattie last score a goal?

Has had injury problems up in the SPL which is why we didn't sign him but have asked him to prove his fitness. He is only any good to us fit no matter what we are paying him. If he is, then he is better than what we have by a million miles. Isn't that the way we should be looking at this?

The worrying thing is how much better he is than the rest of what we have.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Has had injury problems up in the SPL which is why we didn't sign him but have asked him to prove his fitness. He is only any good to us fit no matter what we are paying him. If he is, then he is better than what we have by a million miles. Isn't that the way we should be looking at this?

The worrying thing is how much better he is than the rest of what we have.

With you 100% on this. No one is saying there isnt a question mark over injuries/fitness.

Our staff will assess his overall condition and will know if he can get to where he needs to be.

If he can achieve that (I have every reason to believe he can), then we have a class player.

Injuries are part and parcel of being a footballer and sometimes players go through rough patches.

Its not unusual and certainly isnt beyond someone in their early 30's to overcome them.

 

[madeinsheffield]

Just a question, if we do sign him and he becomes our player, therefore an asset, and here's a scenario, he bangs a few goals in, we extend his contract to the end of the season. In theory we could sell him and get all the moaners smiling. Just a thought

 

[Revolution]

Just a question, if we do sign him and he becomes our player, therefore an asset, and here's a scenario, he bangs a few goals in, we extend his contract to the end of the season. In theory we could sell him and get all the moaners smiling. Just a thought

If we sign him, he's going to be sold to Wigan on the last day of the transfer window for an undisclosed fee together with Maguire, with Marcus Bent and Nyron Nosworthy coming in as replacements on 2 year deals. Dunc will describe this as "good business" and Olle will explode.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

People forget he only scored 2 goals (1 a pen against us !) in the season before we signed him, albeit in the Prem. To me, it's all about fitness and cost, if he's fit enough and we're not paying him a fortune then it's a no brainer.

 

[Selly]

People forget he only scored 2 goals (1 a pen against us !) in the season before we signed him, albeit in the Prem. To me, it's all about fitness and cost, if he's fit enough and we're not paying him a fortune then it's a no brainer.

Quite. Lets face it his ability was more than sufficient in the Cghampionship, even accounting for age and match rustiness, if he is fit, he will cause huge problems for the Centre halves of most teams in this league (our own included!).

If them concentrating on him, frees space up for others, we may see goals start coming from other area as well...

 

[Latters]

If a player like Allan Lee can do alright at Huddersfield (their fans love him) then I'm sure somebody with Beattie's ability can do an awesome job for us, even at 75% fitness!

 

[Ollessendro]

Quite. All the crap about how everyone else loves mediocrety, and he hates the one genuine class player we've signed since we were relegated.

Plus how anyone can say Hulse is better than Beattie after their respective 2007-8 seasons is beyond me. What was it, no goals in 20 or 21 games for Hulse?

Olle, you were much more interesting when you posted what you actually saw, rather than tried to play a part for the sake of it. Like I said in the other thread, I see arguments for not signing Beattie, but this stuff does you no credit at all.

Bit patronising Rev. I saw James Beattie in a Sheffield United shirt. I saw an uninterested, lazy, apaethetic and individual player. Yes he scored a lot of goals, but the team really suffered. It was the James Beattie show. What I then saw, after his sale, was Sheffield United play much better. I saw United comes within a hare's breath of promotion. If you compare the stats (as Darren did) then United did better without BT. Is that a coincidence? You would obviosuly argue no, but I would say yes. You and the other Beattie lovers will say that he would have fired us up (when the evidence suggest the contrary) whilst I would argue that the team played better without him. The facts are on my side on this one.

How could you even begin to justify Rob Hulse or Andy Gray being better than James Beattie? Mind boggling.

Read the post properly. I argued Hulse (pre injury I might add) was better and Gray was similar. In fact Gray was remarkably similar. An overweight, lazy striker that contributed little to the team and even less in effort. owever, good at taking penalties and a decent finisher.

Not a single fact but a host of shouted fiction that suits the claims of the poster. Opinions are like arsoles though, everyone has one. Best striker since Deane in that his all round quality and ability to drag a flapping and flailing team somewhere near the brink of promotion. That he was part of Blackwells team that got within 3 points of automatic promotion (with him and his goals we would have gone straight up in my opinion). A tallisman for the team and someone who the other players (ask them) of the time like Billy Sharp etc had massive respect for. For all that people say about his billy big bollocks attitude, it was (from the mouths of those who played with him) never apparent. His pay packet from what I understand is vastly overinflated by those who use it as a stick to beat him with. He was as I understand it on about half of what is stated as basic with the rest payable as a big fat bonus should we get promoted. We didn't so he didn't get his bonus. Smart business by all concerned as I see it.

He was one of the few shining lights in what has been otherwise a catalogue of shite. Scored goals frequently (for those who are hard of thinking, this is what wins games by the way, not huff and puff) and in his 18 months with us was pretty faultless in his efforts and his conversion rate of chances to shots on target.

I sometimes think we deliberately shun quality players from SUFC for our preference of triers like Bob Booker etc etc. We prefer effort over quality. We would be better driving around in a beat up old Austin Allegro than a fancy Ferarri. None of that luxury and quality for us, oh no. We want down and dirty.

For someone who shouts the virtues of football over Hoof, you are contrary Ollie. But perhaps this is old you surfacing for a look in the mirror again?

Actually Bladesway, he contributed little to Blackwell's team that finished 3rd and we played better (or got better results after he left). That 'shower of shite' team included the best defence we've had in 20 odd years and several ex internationals. More Robson fault I agree, but how someone could see Beattie's time at SUFC a success is beyond me. He achieved nothing.

Totally bewildered by that view Olle. Beattie is a proven goal scorer.

His career speaks for itself. 124 league goals, 90 of them in the top flight!

Also 5 caps for England. If he's overrated he's fooled a lot of people for a long time.

If as you say he offers nothing apart from the odd goal, then I'll take that (goals win games).

If Beattie is mediocrity then give me mediocrity all day long!

Actually Pat, I am fed up of talking about BT. But maybe there is sumert else you can help mi wi. You're celarly a smart, bablanced individual that always puts forward constructive comments. There's this bird darn at Dog n Duck. Mi mates always said she used to be a reit shag. Fit as n all that. A always thought she were pretty hot, but not spectacular. Now she is a bit chubby n she is gerrin on a bit. Any ruad, she wants bangin. But am not sure if a shud do it. You see she is one of them wine and dine, relationship kind of girls. Am not sure if a wanna gu spending loads of dosh on champagne n chocolates n all that, if it int gunna work. More to it, she needs to gu on a diet. But will she? N will it be successful. She's been a bit chubby for a couple of years, so why would she lose weight nar? Especially in her 30's? N it might cst me a reit fortune (n am skint!!). Also she is one o them chics that can look stunnin on a neet art and be reit nice to everyone, but will she wake up n look like that n will she be reit wi mi??

Despite all that, she is probably fitter than all o uvver birds darn at Dog n Duck, so maybe a shud tek a chance. Wot's that reckon???

Quite. Lets face it his ability was more than sufficient in the Cghampionship, even accounting for age and match rustiness, if he is fit, he will cause huge problems for the Centre halves of most teams in this league (our own included!).

If them concentrating on him, frees space up for others, we may see goals start coming from other area as well...

There is evidence that the latter will not take place. United in 08/09 were more success without him and other members of the team scored much more goals. I expect more of the same if we see 'the James Beattie show scene II'.