Do you want him to sign??

[Revolution]

There is another issue with the Beattie signing. He's a free agent and we can get him now. Young players with pace are not going to come to us until January unless they are loans.

 

[Ollessendro]

Voted no, for reasons I have stated a hundred times. Too much of an individual player, unfit, overpaid, shocking recent injury record and United played better without him (fact).

There was a rumour some time ago that he wanted 12k, let's assume that'll be his wage for this season.

What?? Are you kidding. I think his (pesky) agent might have something to say about that. A man who has been earning 40k per week for most of his career will suddenly take a massive pay cut.

Please please dear sweet Jesus our lord and saviour in heaven above let him sign and we can have done with the "will he/won't he", "should we/shouldn't we" bullshit.

It's been going on longer than Ross and Rachel.

Ha ha. Nice one Tarquin.

But he never was really quick was he? I'd bet a lot of money on Phillips to beat him comfortably over any sprint distance. We really love a departed hero don't we? Let's drag 'Cotts' off whatever bench he's sitting on and bring him back as well, shall we?

If, hypothetically, we could get Phillips, Clarke and Grabban for the price of a Beattie the arguments (as opposed to the sentimentality) are all one way, aren't they?

We love mediocrity and we love ex 'hero's' Pinchy. More than that we love never been's. People seem to have quickly forgot that Beattie was an over weight, lazy and overpaid striker than contributed bugger all. An individual and not a team player. He made one consolation sprint back to his own line (cup game against Villa) to put in a token tackle, made a few visits to Sheffield hospital, signed a few autographs and scored a few pens and suddenly he is the best striker since Deane. Fat BT is not fit to lace Fjortoft's boots, made Nathan Blake look like DidierDrogba and Rob Hulse like a young Torres.

No point making non-arguments against imo.

If he's fit, up for it and willing to play for a reasonable salary, then get him signed.

the funny thing is that we are so shit, that IF he was fit, willing to take a massive salary cut and had the right attitude I would take him on a pay as you play basis. I might seem like a hypocrite, but despite BT being overweight, lazy and lacking commitment he is better than Porter and offers more goalscoring threat than Cresswell (mind you so would I).

But I am basing my answer on the evidence and then a couple of minor assumptions. The evidence shows that he has a poor injury record, he struggels fitness wise and costs a lot of money. I just cannot see how we can get around those.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Yes but what good is a pacey winger if he cant cross or pass a ball?

It would be hard to find a quick one that can cross it like Beckham, but I think even us should expect a minimum of basic skills. Crossing and passing isn't Theo Walcott's strength, but he's still useful isn't he?

Otherwise, a lot of ifs in this thread. If we base our opinion conditional on him accepting a pound a week, being super fit, staying injury free, extremely motivated and going on to score 30 before the rest of the season, while also making lots of last ditch goal saving tackles, then it wouldn't be a difficult decision.

The management and board have to decide now if the pros outweigh the cons (and there are several). If we, the fans, generally applaud such a signing now, and things don't work out, should we be criticising the club afterwards?

 

[Revolution]

Otherwise, a lot of ifs in this thread. If we base our opinion conditional on him accepting a pound a week, being super fit, staying injury free, extremely motivated and going on to score 30 before the rest of the season, while also making lots of last ditch goal saving tackles, then it wouldn't be a difficult decision.

With the possible exception of salary, those conditions apply to every single signing we make, not just Beattie.

If we, the fans, generally applaud such a signing now, and things don't work out, should we be criticising the club afterwards?

No, and it's certainly something I try and avoid if signings prove me wrong (Stead initially, Cresswell in his first year) or when I support a signing and it's a disaster (Lee Hendrie springs to mind)

Unlike Olle, though, I do not have this problem in relation to the signing of Marcus Bent

We love mediocrity and we love ex 'hero's' Pinchy. More than that we love never been's. People seem to have quickly forgot that Beattie was an over weight, lazy and overpaid striker than contributed bugger all. An individual and not a team player. He made one consolation sprint back to his own line (cup game against Villa) to put in a token tackle, made a few visits to Sheffield hospital, signed a few autographs and scored a few pens and suddenly he is the best striker since Deane. Fat BT is not fit to lace Fjortoft's boots, made Nathan Blake look like DidierDrogba and Rob Hulse like a young Torres.

You make some good points in support of your argument that we don't sign Beattie, but this paragraph is utter bilge.

 

[Robbie]

Voted no, for reasons I have stated a hundred times. Too much of an individual player, unfit, overpaid, shocking recent injury record and United played better without him (fact).

Well, none of them are facts, they're all opinions.

Beattie, if he signed on a deal that is a low contact and proves his fitness, I'd have him in a second.

We love mediocrity and we love ex 'hero's' Pinchy. More than that we love never been's. People seem to have quickly forgot that Beattie was an over weight, lazy and overpaid striker than contributed bugger all. An individual and not a team player. He made one consolation sprint back to his own line (cup game against Villa) to put in a token tackle, made a few visits to Sheffield hospital, signed a few autographs and scored a few pens and suddenly he is the best striker since Deane. Fat BT is not fit to lace Fjortoft's boots, made Nathan Blake look like DidierDrogba and Rob Hulse like a young Torres.

I think you're way off with this too....

The main that needs pulling up is Rob Hulse, who I don't think ever scored a Championship goal with us. In the same team as Beattie wasn't it? The same Beattie who averaged one in 2 games.

 

[Finance Blade]

The management and board have to decide now if the pros outweigh the cons (and there are several). If we, the fans, generally applaud such a signing now, and things don't work out, should we be criticising the club afterwards?

Thing is everyone seems to be saying sign him. When it all goes wrong it won' t be our fault its the Manager's for not playing him right. The club can't win!

Blades fan love a good moan. Even when we're winning or when we got promotion!! There's be always someone looking to put the boot in about something a player, manager or the club has done. Its a Blades thing and will never change!!!

 

[beechblade]

We love mediocrity and we love ex 'hero's' Pinchy. More than that we love never been's. People seem to have quickly forgot that Beattie was an over weight, lazy and overpaid striker than contributed bugger all. An individual and not a team player. He made one consolation sprint back to his own line (cup game against Villa) to put in a token tackle, made a few visits to Sheffield hospital, signed a few autographs and scored a few pens and suddenly he is the best striker since Deane. Fat BT is not fit to lace Fjortoft's boots, made Nathan Blake look like DidierDrogba and Rob Hulse like a young Torres.

Beattie in the summer

Beattie as of a few days ago.

Doesn't look fat and overweight to me.

He's also took his time to get back to fitness and not tried to rush back from an injury. The problem maybe his match sharpness, but considering the type of player he his, I think he'll be fine.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I dont remember Beattie being lazy or overweight at all.

Perhaps overpaid but arent all footballers, relatively speaking?

What I do remember was a prolific scorer of goals. The ultimate attribute for a striker.

Yes he had injuries last season but most players go through that.

Beattie scores goals, we need some of that.

 

[Bladesway]

Oh FFS, isn't it more a case of can we afford not to? The mans record for us speaks volumes. The mans quality (he was a Premiership quality player when we signed him) hasn't deminished.

As for his attitude and fitness, I never saw him do anything other than give 100% for us when he was at BDTBL last time and I wouldn't expect us to sign him if he wasn't fit or able.

Finally, he could have lied and signed for us earlier in the season but he said he would get back to fitness in his own time and out of his own pocket. It could be that perhaps the bloke feels he has earned shitloads out of being at the top of the ladder and 12k (or whatever) is still good living money lets be honest.

The usuals will cast their reasons but his attitude and record for us would say he absolutely must sign if we want to get out of this damned division. Then perhaps we can offload £3m on a free to someone knowing that we have a better goalscorer already at the club. £20k in wages out, £12k in. Makes good sense to me.

 

[Wards]

If he's not wanting mega money then snap him up.

If we are still tryin to push the boat out then it's bloody ridiculous. Other areas need strengthening but Beattie almost guarantees goals. I'd bank on him scoring 15 between now and May, if he fully fit of course.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Assuming he is over his injuries it's a No Brainer!!!
Beattie oozes class, scores goals out of half chances and will be devastating in League One (Division Three)
He has more class than the rest of the side put together - we pontificate over Monty, Evans and Simonsen yet none of them are good enough to be on the same pitch!!!
As for our other striker option Porter, then words fail me! He is not good enough for Worksop Town never mind the Blades!
Get Beattie back then promotion may be on!

 

[bramptonblade]

Ched 77 games - 17 goals
Beattie 62 games - 34 goals

It's a no brainer........UTB

 

[Ollessendro]

Unlike Olle, though, I do not have this problem in relation to the signing of Marcus Bent

We love mediocrity and we love ex 'hero's' Pinchy. More than that we love never been's. People seem to have quickly forgot that Beattie was an over weight, lazy and overpaid striker than contributed bugger all. An individual and not a team player. He made one consolation sprint back to his own line (cup game against Villa) to put in a token tackle, made a few visits to Sheffield hospital, signed a few autographs and scored a few pens and suddenly he is the best striker since Deane. Fat BT is not fit to lace Fjortoft's boots, made Nathan Blake look like DidierDrogba and Rob Hulse like a young Torres.

You make some good points in support of your argument that we don't sign Beattie, but this paragraph is utter bilge.

even the best make mistakes Rev. It's important that you learn from them!

nowt wrong with that last paragraph.

Beattie in the summer

Beattie as of a few days ago.

Doesn't look fat and overweight to me.

He's also took his time to get back to fitness and not tried to rush back from an injury. The problem maybe his match sharpness, but considering the type of player he his, I think he'll be fine.

Great pics. A shot of his face and then him wearing a coat. Nice one.

I dont remember Beattie being lazy or overweight at all.

Perhaps overpaid but arent all footballers, relatively speaking?

What I do remember was a prolific scorer of goals. The ultimate attribute for a striker.

Yes he had injuries last season but most players go through that.

Beattie scores goals, we need some of that.

You've got a short memory Pat. Funny how human beings tend to just pick out positive or negative memories and United fans seem to take something out of glorifying a player that cost us a lot of money and achieved nothing with us. Like I said, a token 80 yard run (oh he works), a few pens (prolific goalscorer) and a visit to Sheffield hospital (attitide and commitment) and united fans are creaming themselvea about (yet another doomed) comeback. And just remind me what he has done since leaving United 4 years ago?

Assuming he is over his injuries it's a No Brainer!!!
Beattie oozes class, scores goals out of half chances and will be devastating in League One (Division Three)
He has more class than the rest of the side put together - we pontificate over Monty, Evans and Simonsen yet none of them are good enough to be on the same pitch!!!
As for our other striker option Porter, then words fail me! He is not good enough for Worksop Town never mind the Blades!
Get Beattie back then promotion may be on!

I thought better of you and Rev, Fiery. But it seems that all United-ite's love mediocrity. Fair point though about other players being shite. By the same rationale I would get a game up front though (I already sent Wilson my CV http://www.s24su.com/forum/showthre...avour-striker-looking-for-contract&highlight=)

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Well, none of them are facts, they're all opinions.

Beattie, if he signed on a deal that is a low contact and proves his fitness, I'd have him in a second.



I think you're way off with this too....

The main that needs pulling up is Rob Hulse, who I don't think ever scored a Championship goal with us. In the same team as Beattie wasn't it? The same Beattie who averaged one in 2 games.

Actually it is a fact that united got better results without BT that season. Darren and I debated this recently. The rest are actually 'FACTS'

We are talking about Hulse who came back too early from a career threatening injury. Hulse lead the line better than Beattie could have ever dreamt about.

 

[beechblade]

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Great pics. A shot of his face and then him wearing a coat. Nice one.

[video=youtube_share;F7T7JDq2m8w]http://youtu.be/F7T7JDq2m8w[/video]

there you go point about being overweight moot

 

[Ollessendro]

[video=youtube_share;F7T7JDq2m8w]http://youtu.be/F7T7JDq2m8w[/video]

there you go point about being overweight moot

Look at the gut!! It could be me sitting on the sofa (except I am a bit better looking)

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

You've got a short memory Pat. Funny how human beings tend to just pick out positive or negative memories and United fans seem to take something out of glorifying a player that cost us a lot of money and achieved nothing with us. Like I said, a token 80 yard run (oh he works), a few pens (prolific goalscorer) and a visit to Sheffield hospital (attitide and commitment) and united fans are creaming themselvea about (yet another doomed) comeback. And just remind me what he has done since leaving United 4 years ago?

34 goals in 62 games for United - Come on Olle you cant argue with those figures!

He scored 9 goals at Stoke, most of which helped them to survive their first season up.

Then an injury hit spell at Rangers (played 7 games intermittently) - scored none.

Then 9 games with a struggling Blackpool side that had run out of steam - scored none.

Evidence suggests that if he can regain fitness (and he might), he will score goals.

 

[bricktop]

Look at the gut!! It could be me sitting on the sofa (except I am a bit better looking)

So what, Shipperley had a gut but it didn't stop him firing us to the top flight.

 

[Bladesman]

So what, Shipperley had a gut but it didn't stop him firing us to the top flight.

Shipperly just bounced the goals in off his belly.

It can be done.

 

[Ollessendro]

34 goals in 62 games for United - Come on Olle you cant argue with those figures!

He scored 9 goals at Stoke, most of which helped them to survive their first season up.

Then an injury hit spell at Rangers (played 7 games intermittently) - scored none.

Then 9 games with a struggling Blackpool side that had run out of steam - scored none.

Evidence suggests that if he can regain fitness (and he might), he will score goals.

So basically what you are saying Pat, is that Beattie has not scored in a competitive game for a couple of years and his current spell is 18 games without a goal. This is a striker well into his 30's who has barely played the last few years because of injuries and fitness.

Yep, snap him up. The saviour is here.

So what, Shipperley had a gut but it didn't stop him firing us to the top flight.

Beech claimed he wasn't over weight. I said he was.

Usually being overweight is a disadvantage, as it goes hand in hand with being slow and poor fitness. There are exceptions though: Parkin, Jan Molby, Rooney, Andy Reid, Micky Quinn, Neville Southall, Kevin Pressman, Bruce and Pallister. I could go on. HMS Shipps was in that bracket.

What I would give to see a younger Shipps back at the Lane. What a forward. A proper forward. I'd take him over BT any day. A real target man, with a good touch, eye for goal and a brilliant all round game. He was overweight, but the rest of his game mnade up for it. Sadly BT offers nothing to the team, other than converting the odd penalty or blasting in a free kick now and then.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

He'd not scored from open play in about 2 years before he came to us the first time either.

 

[Bladesway]

What I would give to see a younger Shipps back at the Lane. What a forward. A proper forward. I'd take him over BT any day. A real target man, with a good touch, eye for goal and a brilliant all round game. He was overweight, but the rest of his game mnade up for it. Sadly BT offers nothing to the team, other than converting the odd penalty or blasting in a free kick now and then.

Your back to talking shite again Ollie. I knew it couldn't last.

 

[raul]

Based only on their SUFC careers HMS>BT. FACT

 

[judge]

Based only on their SUFC careers HMS>BT. FACT

good old sir neil knew a good striker when he saw one ,eh raul?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Your back to talking shite again Ollie. I knew it couldn't last.

Au contraire. He's back to winding you up.

 

[bricktop]

good old sir neil knew a good striker when he saw one ,eh raul?

The genius who brought us the only and only HELIOS!!!!!

 

[dkc Blade]

Marcus Bent scored 24 goals in 56 games during his first spell with us.

 

[raul]

Good old Sir Adrian knew a striker when he saw one didn't he Judge?

 

[mattbianco1]

I would marry him

 

[grafikhaus]

Without any of us knowing the finances involved (and we never will), we need Beattie. We need anybody up front in fact. Cressie is one booking away from suspension. Porter up front, anyone?

 

[judge]

Good old Sir Adrian knew a striker when he saw one didn't he Judge?

he was one