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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but how did Dean Saunders slip under our managerial radar? Ex-Blade, done well at a lower level, would've been a much more fan-friendly choice, by all accounts plays good football and appears to be able to attract some fantastic loan players, ok to the Championship but I mean Doncaster??? Much of this, its said, is down to the agent, not Doncaster supposed secret millionaire style of Directorship. Thoughts, anyone?
 



Doncaster are a bigger club than us now. More money on the board, playing in a higher league than us & after a blip, looking like steadying the ship in the NPC this season.
 
They must be paying out big wages to attract the kind of players they're bringing in.

Good luck to them but the danger is that a) they'll have a team of loanee journeymen (sound familiar?) and b) when/if they don't get promoted, will the money men say "enough" (again, familiar?)?
 
Doncaster are a bigger club than us now. More money on the board, playing in a higher league than us & after a blip, looking like steadying the ship in the NPC this season.

No chance. Playing in front of 8,000 week in week out? Doncaster Rovers is a club at the top of its arc - they're never going to be more than a mid-table Championship club. We're at the bottom of ours.
 
No chance. Playing in front of 8,000 week in week out? Doncaster Rovers is a club at the top of its arc - they're never going to be more than a mid-table Championship club. We're at the bottom of ours.

Quick quiz. This season will be only the 3rd season ever that Doncaster have finished above us in the League. Last season was obviously one of the others, but when was the 3rd season?
 
They must be paying out big wages to attract the kind of players they're bringing in.

Good luck to them but the danger is that a) they'll have a team of loanee journeymen (sound familiar?) and b) when/if they don't get promoted, will the money men say "enough" (again, familiar?)?

its more the quality of the loanees though, the root of which is contacts. i'll bet they arent paying anything like what we paid for halford, nosworthy and the like.
 
its more the quality of the loanees though, the root of which is contacts. i'll bet they arent paying anything like what we paid for halford, nosworthy and the like.

Hmmm, maybe contacts is part of it but I reckon wages will be a huge part of "persuading" these players to come to sunny Donny.
 
Donny are taking advantage of the premierships 25 man squad rule and picking up players who are out of the squads.

They`ll only be paying a percentage of the wages with parent club picking up the rest, it suits both parties.

Unfortunately we are out of the championship and are unlikely to attract players who want to remain in the shop window
 
Donny are taking advantage of the premierships 25 man squad rule and picking up players who are out of the squads.

They`ll only be paying a percentage of the wages with parent club picking up the rest, it suits both parties.

Unfortunately we are out of the championship and are unlikely to attract players who want to remain in the shop window

I think we took plenty of "advantage" of it the last time we were there, and look where we ended up....:)

back to the OT, I don't buy the notion that players sign for managers. They go where the money is, or where their club tells them to.

UTB
 
Quick quiz. This season will be only the 3rd season ever that Doncaster have finished above us in the League. Last season was obviously one of the others, but when was the 3rd season?

it must be when we were in Division 4 then? 1981/82
 



back to the OT, I don't buy the notion that players sign for managers. They go where the money is, or where their club tells them to.

UTB

Gerraway! :D

Seriously, I noticed on Look Leeds on Monday (where they were previewing the 'Inside Out' prog.) that shots of Elland Road look stuck in the 70's. Crappy exteriors, dilapidated roofs etc. When you think of the £millions they've taken in over the years, it's clear that the agents & players have made off with all the dough.

Back to the OP and, as we've said it's all hindsight but wouldn't Darren Ferguson have been a cracking move? Up & coming, tap into dad's supply line of talent. And make sure we don't sack him.
 
Quick quiz. This season will be only the 3rd season ever that Doncaster have finished above us in the League. Last season was obviously one of the others, but when was the 3rd season?

1981/2, the only season we finished below all the other South Yorkshire teams, and Chesterfield for good measure.

United have finished below Rotherham 4 times: 1951-2 and 1980-1 to 1982-3 inclusive
United have finished below Chesterfield 3 times: 1979-80 to 1981-2 inclusive

For the sake of comparison, Wednesday have finished below Doncaster twice (the last 2 years, this will be the third) Rotherham 5 times (most recently in 2004-5) and Chesterfield 5 times (most recently in 1977-8)

As for Barnsley, including this year they will have finished above United 14 times, but only 6 times above Wednesday.
 
if its 1981/82, must have been the same for 1980/81 then.
 
if its 1981/82, must have been the same for 1980/81 then.

No - Doncaster were promoted from Division 4 that year.
 
Gerraway! :D

Seriously, I noticed on Look Leeds on Monday (where they were previewing the 'Inside Out' prog.) that shots of Elland Road look stuck in the 70's. Crappy exteriors, dilapidated roofs etc. When you think of the £millions they've taken in over the years, it's clear that the agents & players have made off with all the dough.

Back to the OP and, as we've said it's all hindsight but wouldn't Darren Ferguson have been a cracking move? Up & coming, tap into dad's supply line of talent. And make sure we don't sack him.

I take it you think my point was obvious, but isn't the suggestion that it's Dean Saunders, not the cash, that's enticing players. We're told by a good few that Beattie came because of Robson, and not the £2,000,000 per season. It seems for quite a few, it's really not obvious.

UTB
 
I take it you think my point was obvious, but isn't the suggestion that it's Dean Saunders, not the cash, that's enticing players. We told by a good few that Beattie came because of Robson, and not the £2,000,000 per season. It seems for quite a few, it's really not obvious.

UTB

Deano has the same agent as all the players they are signing and are getting linked with. I can't remember his name though, but i think he's from Ranskill?
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...gent-Willie-McKay-doing-Doncaster-Rovers.html

Take one struggling Championship club, a crippling wage bill of £8million a year, then bring them a host of new stars to get them promoted to the Barclays Premier League. All for 100 quid.

Doncaster Rovers are attempting to change the landscape of British football, turning the Keepmoat Stadium into the most prolific bring-and-buy sale in history. International stars will come and go quickly, sold on to the highest bidder as Doncaster provide the shop window for some of Europe’s disaffected or disillusioned players. Rovers fans will cheer on new heroes from Lyon, Saint-Etienne, Lorient and Marseille, barely getting used to their names before they are moved on for big money.

Doncaster are cutting through the core values and customs of English football, convinced that the old-fashioned principles will soon be a thing of the past. Pascal Chimbonda, Herita Ilunga and Chris Kirkland have already been on the Keepmoat conveyor belt, but that’s just the start. Fabien Robert, brother of former Newcastle winger Laurent, Saint-Etienne left back Sylvain Monsoreau, France Under 20 defender Lamine Kone and Argentina midfielder Sebastian Dubarbier will soon be on show.

El-Hadji Diouf, a free agent after leaving Blackburn, and former Real Madrid and Lyon midf ielder Mahamadou Diarra are also in talks with a team second from bottom of the Championship. So how is it all coming about? Well, Doncaster have a watertight contract for the next two years with the most notorious — and arguably most successful — agent in British football. Willie McKay is the middle man acting on behalf of Doncaster, charging them just £100 a week for his services, having lodged his plan with the FA on September 27.

The FA’s financial regulation officer Andrew Penn wrote back to McKay in a letter dated October 6 accepting his proposals and rubber-stamping the Donny Dream. That contract with Doncaster and the FA means that nobody can come in or out of the Keepmoat Stadium for the next two years unless McKay says so, although he says manager Dean Saunders has the power of veto.
McKay makes no bones about his business model, taking advantage of unlimited international loans and working the European transfer market to maximum effect. He intends to make money — serious money — out of Doncaster and in return give them the best group of players their 10,000 loyal supporters have ever seen. They just won’t be there for long.
There will be agreements with clubs all over Europe, borrowing their troubled players and giving them the platform to perform at the highest level again.

Donny will pay a maximum of £2,000 a week towards a player’s existing salary, relying on the parent club to pay the difference in their contract during their loan. McKay said: ‘Take Herita Ilunga as an example. He’s on £26,000 a week at West Ham, not getting a game and they can’t get him a move. I called the joint-chairman David Sullivan and offered £1,000 a week to take Ilunga on loan. David laughed and said, “Make me a sensible offer”, so I said, “OK, £500”.

‘Anyway, eventually we agree the deal on £2,000 a week and West Ham make up the rest of his wages. We take him at Doncaster, who are no threat to West Ham, and give him a shop window to perform by playing every week. ‘If he plays well and I get him a move, say to Turkey for £5m, then I’ll reach an agreement with David Sullivan about the fee West Ham will receive, plus my commission, less his full £26,000-a-week salary for the period he was at Doncaster.’ As well as benefiting from the player’s performances, Rovers will receive a cut of the transfer fee.

McKay’s unique experiment will not sit comfortably with football fans across the country, but the Glaswegian businessman has never been the sort for sentiment. In his career as a football agent he has been involved in 485 deals, ranging from Ronaldinho’s move from Paris Saint-Germain to Barcelona to acting for Queens Park Rangers during negotiations to sign Joey Barton on a free transfer. McKay will swing back into action in the January transfer window, but for now most of his time is taken up with Doncaster.
He is friends with two of the club’s major shareholders, John Ryan and Dick Watson, promising them a team fit for the Premier League now he is in full control of transfers. McKay added: ‘These guys approached me. They have a wage bill of £8m a year and want it reduced to £4m. My valuation of Donny was nothing. They have no fanbase and everyone in Doncaster supports Leeds, Sheffield United or Sheffield Wednesday, who can all get 30,000 in their stadiums.

‘Donny have players on £7,000 a week and a core support of 10,000 people — nobody can sustain that. ‘We are going to work with Lyon, Auxerre, Bordeaux, Saint-Etienne, Nice and Lorient by taking their unhappy players. ‘In every squad there are two or three good players who aren’t getting a game for whatever reason. We will take them to Doncaster, put them in the shop window and sell them on with sell-on fees. Mahamadou Diarra has a c.v. with Monaco, Real Madrid and Lyon on it. I’ve told him if he comes to Doncaster he will be with us for six months before he’s playing in the Premier League. He was on €4.7m net at Real Madrid, but he’ll be playing for £2,000 a week if he comes to us.’

McKay lives 20 minutes from the club and his 14-year-old twins are promising players at the academy, given a chance to make the grade with Rovers. He has a healthy relationship with new boss Saunders, who started with two wins but saw his team lose 3-0 at home to Leeds last Friday.

McKay added: ‘Dean has a right of veto, but is he seriously going to turn down Mahamadou Diarra, a guy who’s got 150 games on his c.v. for Lyon and 120 for Real Madrid? I’m doing this to prove it can be done and I’ve been honest enough to admit I’m only here for the money. I don’t need the £100 and I probably won’t even invoice for it.’
 
Yes Tarquin, I read that article this morning. A very interesting business model to pursue and it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
 
Yes Tarquin, I read that article this morning. A very interesting business model to pursue and it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

We have had major problems with loan players over the last 2 seasons as we all know, I cant see it working in all honesty the players Donny will be signing are not playing at their parent clubs for a reason. Donny will not be forking money out for these players unlike United but I think a high turnover of players will not help the permanent playing staff at Donny or team spirit and will Saunders have the final say in team selection if one of these clubs or McKay sees £££ signs in a potential transfer fee but will not be able to do a deal if the player is not in Donnys 1st team starting XI
 
He has a healthy relationship with new boss Saunders

I'd hope he does, given Saunders' agent is Mr W McKay. And you're wondering how we missed out on him....
 



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