Get Wilder back in now!

[Rodley]

Now Wilder isn't available, let's bring back the greatest manager we've ever had. He's still without a job…

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[CarlMcBlade]

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The man who couldn’t find a role for Billy Sharp.

 

[Chilttheblade]

Why was Harris better than Bassett?

Because Bert said so

 

[Chilttheblade]

Wostinholm was the club secretary, not the manager

I think club club secretaries were like managers in those days. I would have thought you knew what as you were in were in your prime in the late 19th century

 

[Champagneblade]

My theory is
The DOF issue is true but is more of a red herring.

Wilder has no issue about DOF. It was the feeling of being undermined that pissed him off. CW was initially employed at SUFC to be in control of transfers, then the Prince tells him is wheeling and dealing isn’t good enough and he’s having that role taken off him.

I just wonder if Chris simply got a bit ahead of himself. After finishing 9th he'd pretty much got himself into a position where he couldn't be justifiably questioned.

He then forgot this was Sheffield United and 9th wasn't the rule but the exception.

Looking to kick on he pushed for deals that the club were uncomfortable with but the club would not overlook his judgment. When the wheels started falling off, he was put in a position where his dealings were questioned. He didn't like it.

If he'd have seen the bigger picture then he could have been with us for years. Or is that just the cycle? If the hero sticks around long enough, he eventually becomes the villain?

 

[west_yorks_blade]

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[Champagneblade]

One further point I forgot to mention is that Chris had the desire to continue building with Rammers and with Brewster seen as young players to kick us on.

In the end this proved to be misplaced. When you look at the injury to Jack O'Connell and the impasse with Lundstram, there was a strong case that reinforcing the foundations rather than trying to build further was the more modest, but more sensible approach.

In that regard I still think we missed a trick in not going for Jed Wallace and Jake Cooper. I'd imagine we could have got them for the alleged price we committed for Ramsdale alone, if not less. We'd have resolved the left centre back beast problem and have added a midfield goalscorer.

Yes we would have had to loan a keeper once more and as this season has shown that isn't guaranteed but options would have been there given the nature of the role i.e. no matter which club you are, you can only play and this satisfy one of them at once.

As for Brewster, we already had Sharp, McGoldrick, McBurnie, Mousset, Burke/Robinson not to mention Freeman who could play the no 10 role. I'm not convinced a 6t striker was all that necessary without offloading one.

 

[Silent Blade]

I think club club secretaries were like managers in those days.

Nope, secretaries did paperwork and contracts. The football committee and captain decide on team selections. The captain decided on tactics also recommendations on who we should sign. Our first manager was Teddy Davison in 1932.

 

[Bladedog]

Now Wilder isn't available, let's bring back the greatest manager we've ever had. He's still without a job, and the biggest room at Bramall Lane is definitely the room for improvement.

John Harris...Good luck wi that.

 

[Chilttheblade]

Nope, secretaries did paperwork and contracts. The football committee and captain decide on team selections. The captain decided on tactics also recommendations on who we should sign. Our first manager was Teddy Davison in 1932.

So who gets the credit for our only League Championship and Cup wins,Wilder?
Put another way, your saying we have not won anything since we had a manger at the club?
Maybe that where we have been going wrong,let’s try bringing back committees,we had more success with them

 

[Silent Blade]

So who gets the credit for our only League Championship and Cup wins,Wilder?
Put another way, your saying we have not won anything since we had a manger at the club?
Maybe that where we have been going wrong,let’s try bringing back committees,we had more success with them

George Waller was our trainer when we won the league and the 4 cups

Here is a bit from his profile in SUFC Who's who by Denis Clareborough and Andy Kirkham

" United had no football manager in those days but were run by the decisions of the Football Committee. However they were enormously dependent on George's advice aided by that of the captain and no greater tribute can be given to him than to reflect on the honours that came to the club. The First Division Championship was won in 1898, the FA Cup in 1899 and 1902 - United were finalists in 1901- and the club could soon field a team of internationals.
George was also a tactical innovator: he and captains Hendry and Needham introduced the idea of one inside forward capable of accurate passing , in a deeper constructive way, bringing fast raiding wingers into play, often with long cross-field balls. The style remained a feature of United's play into the 1930s.
With a cheerful personality, he was also an expert in what we today would term "man Management" for "he seemed to know instinctively how to bring the best out of every man in his care" and he was "a guide, philosopher and a friend to all".
United continued to be run by their football committee and advised by George until 1932"

 

[Alan Birchenall's hair]

Did any of the above move on to other clubs? And if so, are they out of contract soon? Just a thought.....

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Go a couple of photos with Waller in them,
1/ is the 1895/96 team with a slim Foulkes and the brains of the team, along with Waller, Nudgier Needham,
The other with the FA cup wining team of 1925, with Gillespie and Tunstall.....

 

[Chilttheblade]

George Waller was our trainer when we won the league and the 4 cups

Here is a bit from his profile in SUFC Who's who by Denis Clareborough and Andy Kirkham

" United had no football manager in those days but were run by the decisions of the Football Committee. However they were enormously dependent on George's advice aided by that of the captain and no greater tribute can be given to him than to reflect on the honours that came to the club. The First Division Championship was won in 1898, the FA Cup in 1899 and 1902 - United were finalists in 1901- and the club could soon field a team of internationals.
George was also a tactical innovator: he and captains Hendry and Needham introduced the idea of one inside forward capable of accurate passing , in a deeper constructive way, bringing fast raiding wingers into play, often with long cross-field balls. The style remained a feature of United's play into the 1930s.
With a cheerful personality, he was also an expert in what we today would term "man Management" for "he seemed to know instinctively how to bring the best out of every man in his care" and he was "a guide, philosopher and a friend to all".
United continued to be run by their football committee and advised by George until 1932"

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Thanks very interesting

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I’m confused - does he come in through the front door or the back door? Difficult to tell with Our Chris

He’ll be coming out of the front door of the Middlesbrough team bus.

 

[Champagneblade]

George Waller was our trainer when we won the league and the 4 cups.

" George was also a tactical innovator: he and captains Hendry and Needham introduced the idea of one inside forward capable of accurate passing , in a deeper constructive way, bringing fast raiding wingers into play, often with long cross-field balls. The style remained a feature of United's play into the 1930s."

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I knew Norwood was behind play a few times this season. I didn't appreciate he was a full 123 years behind!

 

[ZLB]

He’ll be coming out of the front door of the Middlesbrough team bus.

Shut it

 

[SU93]

In his interview on R5 this evening, Wilder confirms it was his decision to leave United. He was also very positive about working under a DoF at Boro.

Not going to go down well with some on here.

Been saying this for a while but always got replies back saying he was sacked. Why its always left a bitter taste in my mouth when I learnt he wanted to leave.

For how much he said "I came through the front door, and ill leave through the front door" certainly doesn't seem that way does it.

 

[Revolution]

George Waller was our trainer when we won the league and the 4 cups

Here is a bit from his profile in SUFC Who's who by Denis Clareborough and Andy Kirkham

" United had no football manager in those days but were run by the decisions of the Football Committee. However they were enormously dependent on George's advice aided by that of the captain and no greater tribute can be given to him than to reflect on the honours that came to the club. The First Division Championship was won in 1898, the FA Cup in 1899 and 1902 - United were finalists in 1901- and the club could soon field a team of internationals.
George was also a tactical innovator: he and captains Hendry and Needham introduced the idea of one inside forward capable of accurate passing , in a deeper constructive way, bringing fast raiding wingers into play, often with long cross-field balls. The style remained a feature of United's play into the 1930s.
With a cheerful personality, he was also an expert in what we today would term "man Management" for "he seemed to know instinctively how to bring the best out of every man in his care" and he was "a guide, philosopher and a friend to all".
United continued to be run by their football committee and advised by George until 1932"

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Interesting stuff.

From what I have read, the person with the biggest say on match by match tactics and preparing for the opposition was Needham whilst he was a player. But from what you say it looks like Needham did not deal with the Committee and Waller did that in addition to his trainer role.

I always say it's a shame that more people don't know about Needham, because I think he's got a better argument for being our greatest player ever than Currie or Hagan (though it's certainly one of those 3), but Waller had an important role and I bet hardly any Blades fans know about it. I only know his name and job title and what you've written above.

 

[Silent Blade]

Interesting stuff.

From what I have read, the person with the biggest say on match by match tactics and preparing for the opposition was Needham whilst he was a player. But from what you say it looks like Needham did not deal with the Committee and Waller did that in addition to his trainer role.

I always say it's a shame that more people don't know about Needham, because I think he's got a better argument for being our greatest player ever than Currie or Hagan (though it's certainly one of those 3), but Waller had an important role and I bet hardly any Blades fans know about it. I only know his name and job title and what you've written above.

He did recommend the board to sign players too. I have read that he recommended Herbert Chapman after we played against Northampton in the FA Cup. He recommended Billy Gillespie after playing against him in the Blades reserves v Leeds City reserves match