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They have it on an individual level but in that situation with Rugby although I agree it works well in Rugby, the referee has more of a rapport with the captain and the talking is done through him. Something that could also push out back chat and swarming around a referee.
That's partly because if you get a yellow in rugby you're off the pitch for 10 minutes and if you backchat the referee at all you will end up in the sin bin. It's a major disadvantage trying to defend a man down.

If the footballing authorities were serious about clamping down on the haranguing of the referees then sin bins for yellow cards would be a good place to start.
 

That's partly because if you get a yellow in rugby you're off the pitch for 10 minutes and if you backchat the referee at all you will end up in the sin bin. It's a major disadvantage trying to defend a man down.

If the footballing authorities were serious about clamping down on the haranguing of the referees then sin bins for yellow cards would be a good place to start.
Yeah that's true but also totally agree with this point the one thing that is my biggest bug bearer about the professional game is the referee abuse it filters down the system and becomes a norm for Sunday League and kids. I used to referee football on a Sunday morning and if you sent someone off for foul and abusive language players didn't know that was a thing. Even a caution for disputing decisions brought a shock
 
Yeah that's true but also totally agree with this point the one thing that is my biggest bug bearer about the professional game is the referee abuse it filters down the system and becomes a norm for Sunday League and kids. I used to referee football on a Sunday morning and if you sent someone off for foul and abusive language players didn't know that was a thing. Even a caution for disputing decisions brought a shock
I remember once sending a player off many moons ago for calling me a fucking twat (not relevant if factually correct or not). He said to me why are you sending me off, I said for foul or abusive language, he said "but I never fucking swore".
 
The one in the first half where Fleck was Scougalled by their defender when he was about to shoot. Second half Billy dragged down about a yard inside the box unless my eyes were deceiving me, at least he gave the foul. Not convinced about theirs, sat in Westfield with a perfect view and he just seemed to fall over, although we didn’t seem to complain much. Fortunately these didn’t matter but still pissed me off, never seen us score more than 6.
Billy's one was difficult to see in real time, it was either on the line or in the box, but their left back got a yellow for it.

There was another one a few mins later where Billy got up and had a smile on his face, he'd tried the same move, this time outside the box, but he'd knocked the ball just a bit further ahead of him. As he got up, he was smiling, he was clearly trying to test the lad who'd been booked to see if he could get him to commit to another rash challenge.

Oh and we got away with one later on with Fleck on the half way line. Fleck in full Scholes tackle mode, saw the opportunity to launch at the lad as he was running through the midfield. Surprised it wasn't a booking...
 
That's partly because if you get a yellow in rugby you're off the pitch for 10 minutes and if you backchat the referee at all you will end up in the sin bin. It's a major disadvantage trying to defend a man down.

If the footballing authorities were serious about clamping down on the haranguing of the referees then sin bins for yellow cards would be a good place to start.
Totally agree with a clampdown on abuse of referees. Wayne Rooney is a player who you could see call the ref a "fucking wanker" and never get booked.
I remember reading a story years ago about a reserve game involving Peter Marinello (one of the very first "new George Bests). He was giving the linesman abuse all game but was subbed during the second half. As he trudged off the pitch the lino was heard to shout," Marinello, who's a wanker now? ", along with the appropriate hand gesture.
 

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