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Ainsley Harriott said:
People can have objections to vaccinations on religious grounds.

That's discrimination based on faith.
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Except that the major religious leaders have all said that there’s no reason to refuse it on religious grounds, so they can’t use that as an excuse.

Of course people can refuse it, but they have to face the consequences of doing so, just like someone who is an obese smoker and chooses to live like that will face higher life insurance premiums. Or is that discrimination as well?
 
dc_blade said:
Because for one group of people it's a choice (and one that potentially affects other people), and for the others it's not. Surely that should be obvious after about half a second's thought.
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Is it not a choice based on an individuals own choice? My choice shouldn't mean I'm marginalised. Should it? That's hardly giving an individual a choice.

Don't take the jab you can't go clubbing.

Not a choice.

And as there is still no literature available regards the vaccine and whether or not it interacts with my prescribed medication (as I've said before, I can't take a simple thing like ibuprofen for that reason), I'm being kicked out for my medical history.

Sound. Great. Wasn't my choice to be epileptic was it. But yet here I am, cast aside.
 
Le Cynique said:
Except that the major religious leaders have all said that there’s no reason to refuse it on religious grounds, so they can’t use that as an excuse.

Of course people can refuse it, but they have to face the consequences of doing so, just like someone who is an obese smoker and chooses to live like that will face higher life insurance premiums. Or is that discrimination as well?
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As I've just said in my latest post, I'm epileptic. There is zero evidence anywhere that this vaccine does or does not interact with epilepsy medications. So I'm being discriminated on my medical history.

Still, fuck em eh? Just get the fuckin jab.
 
Le Cynique said:
Except that the major religious leaders have all said that there’s no reason to refuse it on religious grounds, so they can’t use that as an excuse.

Of course people can refuse it, but they have to face the consequences of doing so, just like someone who is an obese smoker and chooses to live like that will face higher life insurance premiums. Or is that discrimination as well?
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But they don't have to take an experimental substance that has only been granted a temporary licence, nor are they excluded from social events for not wanting the shot.

Big difference compared to taking out and insurance policy.
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
As I've just said in my latest list, I'm epileptic. There is zero evidence anywhere that this vaccine does or does not interact with epilepsy medications. So I'm being discriminated on my medical history.

Still, fuck em eh? Just get the fuckin jab.
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If there’s a valid medical exemption, you won’t be forced to have the vaccination. They’ve made that clear.

From the government guidance:

If you have a medical reason which means you cannot be vaccinated or tested, you may be asked to self-declare this medical exemption.
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Also, I don’t expect you to have to declare on here what your valid medical exemption is, as that’s none of my business, but I have said over and over again that it shouldn’t and doesn’t preclude people who have a valid medical reason from being able to live as freely as anyone else.
 
Le Cynique said:
If there’s a valid medical exemption, you won’t be forced to have the vaccination. They’ve made that clear.

From the government guidance:



Also, I don’t expect you to have to declare on here what your valid medical exemption is, as that’s none of my business, but I have said over and over again that it shouldn’t and doesn’t preclude people who have a valid medical reason from being able to live as freely as anyone else.
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I don't have to declare my medical history on here, correct. But when I've had pelters calling me stubborn (amongst other things) I thought it would be handy to bring it to the fore. That's my reasons for me not having it. A seizure costs me my drivers license for 12 months minimum. That's a hindrence on my ability to work and earn a living. And for what? A vaccine that doesn't stop me catching or transmitting a virus that I have a 99% chance of surviving anyway?

You use the word "forced" on your post as well. Don't you think that is a strong word? Did you use that word on purpose or just off the cuff? The word was clearly in your mind when you said it. I'm not having a go at you for that by the way, just pointing it out that's all.
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
I don't have to declare my medical history on here, correct. But when I've had pelters calling me stubborn (amongst other things) I thought it would be handy to bring it to the fore. That's my reasons for me not having it. A seizure costs me my drivers license for 12 months minimum. That's a hindrence on my ability to work and earn a living. And for what? A vaccine that doesn't stop me catching or transmitting a virus that I have a 99% chance of surviving anyway?

You use the word "forced" on your post as well. Don't you think that is a strong word? Did you use that word on purpose or just off the cuff? The word was clearly in your mind when you said it. I'm not having a go at you for that by the way, just pointing it out that's all.
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Mate, you literally said this:

My choice shouldn't mean I'm marginalised. Should it? That's hardly giving an individual a choice.
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Having an actual reason for not having the vaccination isn’t a choice. Having epilepsy or any other illness isn’t a choice. I stand behind what I said: anyone CHOOSING not to have the vaccinations has to live with the consequences of that, which will be a curtailing of their personal liberties.

The reason there’s a moral imperative for those who can have the vaccine to have it is to help protect those who can’t.
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
I don't have to declare my medical history on here, correct. But when I've had pelters calling me stubborn (amongst other things) I thought it would be handy to bring it to the fore. That's my reasons for me not having it. A seizure costs me my drivers license for 12 months minimum. That's a hindrence on my ability to work and earn a living. And for what? A vaccine that doesn't stop me catching or transmitting a virus that I have a 99% chance of surviving anyway?

You use the word "forced" on your post as well. Don't you think that is a strong word? Did you use that word on purpose or just off the cuff? The word was clearly in your mind when you said it. I'm not having a go at you for that by the way, just pointing it out that's all.
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If it helps 2 of my family members have epilepsy, one of them severe epilepsy which they've been medicated for for 30 years and occasionally causes grand mal seizures that land them in intensive care, and they've both had jabs and didn't even have any side effects.

If you're concerned about interactions with medication that's why they ask you to contact them if you have concerns, and ask you when you go in if you're on owt or have any reactions to certain medications.

I'm allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen and various other meds etc, so I asked if I was ok having it before I went.
 
Le Cynique said:
Mate, you literally said this:



Having an actual reason for not having the vaccination isn’t a choice. Having epilepsy or any other illness isn’t a choice. I stand behind what I said: anyone CHOOSING not to have the vaccinations has to live with the consequences of that, which will be a curtailing of their personal liberties.

The reason there’s a moral imperative for those who can have the vaccine to have it is to help protect those who can’t.
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But why should an individual have to have a reason for something they simply do not want to have? Whatever happened to just saying 'no thanks'?

We're in a world now where freedoms and liberties are being taken away and a simple 'no' isn't enough.
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
But why should an individual have to have a reason for something they simply do not want to have? Whatever happened to just saying 'no thanks'?

We're in a world now where freedoms and liberties are being taken away and a simple 'no' isn't enough.
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Let me just say this again, as this bit clearly isn’t sinking in:

The reason there’s a moral imperative for those who can have the vaccine to have it is to help protect those who can’t.
 

bromtom said:
If it helps 2 of my family members have epilepsy, one of them severe epilepsy which they've been medicated for for 30 years and occasionally causes grand mal seizures that land them in intensive care, and they've both had jabs and didn't even have any side effects.

If you're concerned about interactions with medication that's why they ask you to contact them if you have concerns, and ask you when you go in if you're on owt or have any reactions to certain medications.

I'm allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen etc, so I asked if I was ok having it before I went.
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I've asked Epilepsy UK and the epilepsy team at the Hallamshire. None of whom could tell me categorically that it is safe.

The risk and reward for me having the vaccine are tipped against.
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
Can you not see how this isn't a fair choice? At all?
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Can you see how it’s not fair if people choose not to take it and then some poor bastard with a compromised immune system ends up dying through no fault of their own?

Liberties and freedoms aren’t just for the things you choose. What if someone wants to put your windows through with a brick and take all your possessions? What if someone wants to get hammered and drive their car through busy streets at school kicking-out time?
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
I've asked Epilepsy UK and the epilepsy team at the Hallamshire. None of whom could tell me categorically that it is safe.

The risk and reward for me having the vaccine are tipped against.
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I don't think any medical professional would say categorically that the things they do are totally safe, and if they do they're lying, and that's true of everything not just a new vaccine.
 
This is what happened in the Netherlands when they ran a proper pilot (unlike the farces we had in this country with no follow-ups)

www.cnbc.com

Music festival in the Netherlands leads to over 1,000 Covid infections

A festival in the Netherlands has shocked officials after 1,000 coronavirus infections were linked to the event despite requiring a "test for entry."
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

The fact nightclubs are open. Shithole nightclubs which were dirty and crappy before all this. The fact they don't have to ask for even a negative test. Even though it's easy to fake a test and pretend. Or even if they do they are mostly not checking them on entry. Is akin to gross negligence on behalf of the government.

Nightclubs are hardly important. They should be shut. I can see the point in trying to 'encourage' 18-30 year olds to get the vaccine, because there is so much genuine ambivalence within that age group, even though there are so many with long COVID.

The only way we're getting out of this mess is with almost everyone either vaccinated or antibodies from having caught it. Herd immunity is not likely to happen.
 
I went to Edgbaston last week for the EngvPak test event one day match and we had to have proof of double vaccination on our phones to get in. Our phones were 'checked' by a handful of bored looking stewards standing in a line in the road by the ground. I could've showed them anything, they just waved me in plus another bloke with me walked straight past without even getting his phone out. If this is the level of checking that venues employ it's a complete waste of time. Which is unsurprising given that it's instigated by this shambles government.
 
dc_blade said:
No, I think it's a perfectly fair choice. Get vaccinated and enjoy the benefits that come along with it. Don't get vaccinated and live with the consequences.
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Absolutely frightening that you think this is a way to live.

"Have this vaccine or you can't do what the others can do."
 
Have I been jabbed? No
Will I get jabbed? Not yet
Do i agree with the new rules? No
Will I abide by them? Yes

At this moment in time, I truly don't believe there is enough evidence out there to say the jab is truly safe, we've been told often enough it is, but I know of several people who have had quite severe reactions to taking it, so given this how can anyone hand on heart guarantee that there will be no long term side effects?
The medical science behind the jab has been nothing short of miraculous, but unless they've somehow found a way to condense time, how could these people know of any long term effects? They'll have done modelling and made assumptions, all of which I'm sure are highly involved, but they can in no way give a cast iron guarantee about the long term safety of the jab.

I'll miss a lot I'm sure as I bet as time goes on it won't only be nightclubs that require a covid passport, but ive made my bed I'm going to have to lay in it, my choice, my consequences.
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
Absolutely frightening that you think this is a way to live.

"Have this vaccine or you can't do what the others can do."
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By the time they reach adulthood, most people have realised that there are consequences to their actions and that we can't just do what we want, when we want. I'm sorry that you find this all so frightening--it might explain why you've spent so much of the last 18 months living in an alternate reality.
 
Le Cynique said:
Can you see how it’s not fair if people choose not to take it and then some poor bastard with a compromised immune system ends up dying through no fault of their own?
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If you are referring to the likes of Doris, aged 93, it’s clearly not sinking in that she doesn’t count and is entirely expendable.

Please try to keep up at the back.
 

Le Cynique said:
Ffs, are you anti-vaxxers just trolling now or are you really that stupid that you cannot read the multiple times I’ve said the reason those who can have the vaccine should have it is to protect those who can’t?
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Not anti vax, had plenty.

Not in favour of an Apartheid either, or as you put living with the consequences.
 
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