Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[ben1987]

There were a few games last season after he’d settled in where he did show his class imo.

he ran the midfield when we beat spurs 3-1.

it took him a while to settle into a league playing at a totally different pace to the one he moved from. Getting used to a new system and a position slightly out of his comfort zone.

 

[SouthportBlade]

You do realise that they have to help the rest of the team win the ball and keep it as well as create chances? Are the other 9 players at fault for not doing their dirty work for them?

Bit of an odd argument, the whole team should be playing together and in some team a players job is to do the dirty work, Kante for example. It's not fault on the other players.

For what its worth i think Berge has the potential to be an excellent player and will go onto big things, whilst we wasn't a world beater a few flashes or the odd game (Spurs 3-1), for me, show he has massive talent. He also was a dreadful signing for us, and awful fit based on how we played.

Both of these things can be true at the same time, it's not linear - which a lot of people seem to insist.

 

[blades78]

Bit of an odd argument, the whole team should be playing together and in some team a players job is to do the dirty work, Kante for example. It's not fault on the other players.

For what its worth i think Berge has the potential to be an excellent player and will go onto big things, whilst we wasn't a world beater a few flashes or the odd game (Spurs 3-1), for me, show he has massive talent. He also was a dreadful signing for us, and awful fit based on how we played.

Both of these things can be true at the same time, it's not linear - which a lot of people seem to insist.

I agree on the awful fit based on how we played and he does have something, but his and Brewster's work rate and general desire off the ball is nowhere near good enough for a top side, which is why they ended up with us. One of reasons top sides have more possession is because they work incredibly hard to win the ball back when they lose it. I couldn't see Berge being able to keep up.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Let's see how he looks in a decent side, in a position that suits (i.e. double pivot), with more & better option ahead of him.

I suspect we'll see more of the Rolls Royce of a player that he showed while at Genk and that he's shown in glimpses while at Utd.

 

[JJBlade]

You do realise that they have to help the rest of the team win the ball and keep it as well as create chances? Are the other 9 players at fault for not doing their dirty work for them?

There all to blame, but when a team creates nothing and never has hold of the ball for longer than two seconds, you can't be surprised when the strikers goals ratio is crap.

 

[JJBlade]

Because when we played him in 'his position' he was absolute dogshit and we got leathered. Shouldnt 35 million pound footballers adapt anyway ?

He has never played in his natural position for us.
We bought a marauding forward thinking midfielder who spent most of his time running with the ball deep into the opponents half.

But because he's 6ft 5 or whatever, he was given a defensive midfield role or a wing back role. No thought as to how he would fit into our team was given because the team shit themselves if they have to move from a rigid boring defensive set up.
Every players responsibilities became defensive for some strange reason whether it was his natural game or not.

Always the same at this club, we can put a 6ft 4 inch striker up front and automatically start launching it over his head just because he's 6ft 4.

We were playing well in League One and brought James Hanson in, then suddenly our play became longer, less controlled and a bit uglier than it was before.
We did it again the Championship, playing good stuff, brought Madine in and started going direct again.

 

[sitwell]

He has never played in his natural position for us.
We bought a marauding forward thinking midfielder who spent most of his time running with the ball deep into the opponents half.

But because he's 6ft 5 or whatever, he was given a defensive midfield role or a wing back role. No thought as to how he would fit into our team was given because the team shit themselves if they have to move from a rigid boring defensive set up.
Every players responsibilities became defensive for some strange reason whether it was his natural game or not.

Always the same at this club, we can put a 6ft 4 inch striker up front and automatically start launching it over his head just because he's 6ft 4.

We were playing well in League One and brought James Hanson in, then suddenly our play became longer, less controlled and a bit uglier than it was before.
We did it again the Championship, playing good stuff, brought Madine in and started going direct again.

And 'this club' got promotion both times .

 

[Frank the tank]

Don't think anyone could deem berge a roaring success but some of the revisionist bull shit on this thread...

 

[jono_t2000]

I'm surprised Berge agent allowed his relegation fee to be so high tbh. A minimum fee release clause if still in prem i could understand 35-45 mill but not relegation fee... now he has realistic possibility of being stuck with us

 

[alcoblade]

I'm surprised Berge agent allowed his relegation fee to be so high tbh. A minimum fee release clause if still in prem i could understand 35-45 mill but not relegation fee... now he has realistic possibility of being stuck with us

I doubt it. Those at the club will fully understand that his value hasn’t risen since he’s been here. They will also know he’s the biggest financial asset that has, for whatever reason, contributed the least*.

So we will do the sensible thing at deal at a far lower value than the ridiculous sums being dreamt up.

*Brewster contributed less, but his value will now have plummeted.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

Apologies, my bad.

You might gather I don’t think Berge is worth anywhere near the numbers being touted, or that suggested by your post.

I hope you’re right.

I agree but I'm not an idiot running a Premier League team where they "know" more than we do...ahem. But some team is gonna spend millions on the lad and we should take any profit we can make and move on, quick.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

If Berge is worth 35m what's Pereira at wba worth? 11 goals and 6 assists from midfield.

 

[robbiez666]

I think, given relegation and the pandemic, getting our money back with a good sell-on clause would be decent business with Berge.

 

[Torrix1889]

We don't have to sell Berge, or anyone else.....players will have had wage reductions built into their Prem contracts so although our wage bill will no doubt be one of the largest in the Championship it should be manageable with parachute payments.

Instead of a panic fire sale why don't we wait until Slav starts and let him assess the squad and decide who he wants.....he built Fulham around K-Mac, Berge is a very similar player, but potentially considerably better.

Let's hope the Board hold firm....£35m or no deal.....if he stays, build the team around him.

 

[Balham]

If Berge is worth 35m what's Pereira at wba worth? 11 goals and 6 assists from midfield.

We've covered this before. Pereira is a different sort of player who's probably going to move on for £15-20m.

N'Golo Kanté doesn't score goals. Must be crap.

 

[Revolution]

We've covered this before. Pereira is a different sort of player who's probably going to move on for £15-20m.

N'Golo Kanté doesn't score goals. Must be crap.

N'Golo Kante does other things.

Berge neither scores goals nor does other useful things with any regularity.

 

[S40BLADE]

Its like our fans want us to lose money on assets with how they talk about some players.

 

[Torrix1889]

Its like our fans want us to lose money on assets with how they talk about some players.

To be fair it is the Blades way, we do have a history of bending over at the first derisory offer for our top players.......in fact i cannot remember the last one where we dug our heels in and played hard ball...so I don't think our fans want us to lose money, more like history dictates that they expect us to lose money....

We should take a leaf out of the Brentford book of standing firm.

 

[Willglynning]

I'm surprised Berge agent allowed his relegation fee to be so high tbh. A minimum fee release clause if still in prem i could understand 35-45 mill but not relegation fee... now he has realistic possibility of being stuck with us

We signed one of the hottest prospects in European football. It's easy to forget, after a mostly absent season, but back when we signed him he was credibly being linked with Liverpool, Man Utd etc.

I distinctly remember Man Utd fans going crazy thinking he'd turned up at their training ground.

 

[KiwiBlade]

Its like our fans want us to lose money on assets with how they talk about some players.

Yeah we can't have our assets sitting around playing for the team, when we can sell them for half their value or even better cancel their contracts!!

 

[Balham]

N'Golo Kante does other things.

Berge neither scores goals nor does other useful things with any regularity.

I am confident enough in Berge's ability that I would suggest that he'll win a lot more honours than anyone else at United. He's too passive to be a success here - he's not one to raise the performance of those around him - but to me he's capable of a lot more.

 

[FriethBlade]

To be fair it is the Blades way, we do have a history of bending over at the first derisory offer for our top players.......in fact i cannot remember the last one where we dug our heels in and played hard ball...so I don't think our fans want us to lose money, more like history dictates that they expect us to lose money....

We should take a leaf out of the Brentford book of standing firm.

The major factor in his value to us and others that doesn't seem to be getting any discussion at all is the very serious injury he sustained.

He pulled his hamstring tendon off the bone. There's absolutely no guarantee he will return to full speed and the likelihood of ongoong complications for a footballer isn't insignificant.

I'm.pretty sure what a team is willing to pay and what we are willing to accept will be heavily influenced by this injury

 

[Mouth of the South]

To be fair it is the Blades way, we do have a history of bending over at the first derisory offer for our top players.......in fact i cannot remember the last one where we dug our heels in and played hard ball...so I don't think our fans want us to lose money, more like history dictates that they expect us to lose money....

We should take a leaf out of the Brentford book of standing firm.

That may well have been the case under previous regimes but the main reason assets haven't been sold cheaply under the current ownership is because assets haven't been sold full stop.

Whist under joint ownership, the last big sale would have been Brooks and given (a) he and his reps were pushing for a move and (b) he was very much unproven with only a small number of appearances at Champ level under his belt, I think the price Utd received was more than fair.

 

[alcoblade]

Don't think anyone could deem berge a roaring success but some of the revisionist bull shit on this thread...

Why don't you highlight the revisionist bullshit, and point out why it's wrong?

 

[alcoblade]

Its like our fans want us to lose money on assets with how they talk about some players.

Of course everyone wants us to receive the highest value should we sell him. It's what we expect that number to be that's debatable.

What's more baffling is that some fans think that discussion on a fans forum will in some way affect what someone is willing to pay.

 

[JJBlade]

I am confident enough in Berge's ability that I would suggest that he'll win a lot more honours than anyone else at United. He's too passive to be a success here - he's not one to raise the performance of those around him - but to me he's capable of a lot more.

Yes
Too quiet, too accepting that he is the new boy (with the emphasis being on boy)

He isn't the type of character that will shout and bawl and drag an extra 10% out of his team mates, never mind an extra 70% that our lot needed.

But in a settled team with good, controlled, intelligent footballers he'd be a tremendous player.

 

[SWB]

N'Golo Kante does other things.

Berge neither scores goals nor does other useful things with any regularity.

N'Golo Kante doesn't play in a relegation team that can't keep the ball for more than 2 passes.

 

[alcoblade]

N'Golo Kante doesn't play in a relegation team that can't keep the ball for more than 2 passes.

Cause or effect?

 

[alcoblade]

Yes
Too quiet, too accepting that he is the new boy (with the emphasis being on boy)

He isn't the type of character that will shout and bawl and drag an extra 10% out of his team mates, never mind an extra 70% that our lot needed.

But in a settled team with good, controlled, intelligent footballers he'd be a tremendous player.

So we can add not motivating others, and not brining the best out of his teammates to the list of things he can’t do.

Yet when asked for a list of things he can do, you get ethereal comment like “he’ll be a Rolls Royce”.

Somehow, it’s become the job of the free / low value transfers, who were instrumental in promotions, to bring on the £22m starlet, whose presence is linked to nothing other than a distinct drop in form, leading on to relegation.

And in this backdrop, we’re asked to swallow the notion that his value will have actually increased

 

[blade67]

N'Golo Kante doesn't play in a relegation team that can't keep the ball for more than 2 passes.

Kante helped make Danny Drinkwater an England player and a very rich lad.

Leicester nearly got relegated the year before they signed him. Oh to have found a duplicate of him