Micky Adams we must give him a chance to bring us back up.

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Don't blame Warnock, Robson, Speed, Blackwell, Adams, Carver or any of the rest of the unhappy band, I blame the people who put them there. IF (and its a bloody big one) they have learned their lesson they will stop meddling, stop chucking money around elsewhere and concentrate on the one thing that matters to every single supporter of SUFC. The FOOTBALL CLUB. Once we start doing that there is hope.

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the Manager isn't the single biggest influencer on the team for someone like us. Sure they are part of it and Adams hasn't covered himself in Glory but its a bit like sending a soldier into battle with a wooden gun when all those around him have real ones. Adams had to wheel and deal which was bad enough, but he had no real time to do it in. Yes, he brought some shit in and for that he should be questioned however, I go back to my initial post. You give the man a budget and a whole season, you set out their objectives and monitor their progress. If they have spent half the budget but are outside their goal (i.e promotion) then you give them a reminder of what that budget is for and that your expectation remains no matter what they do or don't spend.

Why the hell should the Chairmen who appoint these Managers get away scott free? You generally appoint a manager on a contract. Well if you believe in that then you should stand your reputation by it.


Why did we give Robson a long term contract and then boot him out less than a third of the way through it? Isn't that poor management from the top?
Why did we give Blackwell a further extention on his contract and then sack him with 2 years still on it? Isn't that also poor management from the top?

More arguable would be why did we let Warnock go up with a team and not get a bigger/better name in? But if you are the Grade A businessman that McCabe says he is you aren't scared of making these decisions are you?

When you are in a big deep hole, why do you appoint a man with absolutely no managerial experience (Speed)? Isn't that a really big gamble to take?

Contracts are too readilly bandied about on Managers and players who are at best a bit of a punt (with a p). If these businessmen are so sure of themselves then shouldn't their reputations stand on this also?

I see some stinkingly bad decisions all authorised by one man. The same man who took Birch on, the same man who had Terry the Pieman running things all over the shop (apparently Terry suggested Robson as Manager!!!). This is the man who authorised Chengdu Blades, Hungarian clubs, Belgian clubs, Argentinian partnerships, Brazilian partnerships, Australian Partnerships, a big hotel. And thats off the top of my head. To me thats the equivalent of signing Doyle & Collins 100 times over but to some he can't and shouldn't be criticised.

Apparently phrases such as "we are relegated, it will pass" and "could be worse, could be the pigs" are the ones we should hang our hats on. Cliches like "All True Blades are at the Lane" and "Stop moaning" are rearing their heads. To use a McCabeism it really beggars belief that anyone would trust McCabe to run a bath let alone a football club. Yet there are more people blaming former managers here than the man still at the helm.

We even turn on each other as fans rather than vent our frustrations at the people who are the puppetmasters.

Absolutely spot on. Why people keep harping on about Robbo is beyond me. The guy was given the job then signed players for fees/wages that were approved by the board. The fact that he is an incompetent boozehound isn't his fault. It's the people at the top who are responsible for the current situation.
 

im with brownie here ,adams isnt to blame for our relagation
gary speed started the rot and then fucked off leaving us in the proverbial

thanks gary

I'm with Brownie's view here too. The Board were falling over themselves to push Speed forward as a saviour but the system and style of play he pushed onto techniclly incapable players turned us into a bland team. I don't see that he'd have got any better backing than MA in the transfer window either. We promoted Speed to manager without thinking it through then took weeks messing about trying to sort out his replacement. The only reason for this was to get compo when the inevitable call came for another job offer. He was viewed as an asset rather than a coach. If he wasn't already a coach would he have been the top of anyone's list to fill KB's shoes? We played under Speed like a point per game would be enough and that should've been a sign the Board noticed long before he left. A point per game is the view taken by managers who are playing for survival (like Wilkinson's time at Sunderland) and not those who should be midtable and looking up.

Any new manager coming into a squad with that mentality is going to struggle. Added to that the fact that so many of the squad weren't up to the task, injured, unfit or just had no confidence in the players around them and sorting all that out is going to take time too.

Then there's the number of players that seemed to fit the Boards business plans rather than the teams football ones. Parrino and Boggy seemed to be brought in to help promote us commercially. Can I be the only one whose heart sinks when we are linked with any player from Malta, Australia or another country that McCabe is trying to pimp his own interests in!?

If Adams is allowed to be his own man and make signing as he sees fit, whilst working to whatever budget then I think he deserves a fair crack. We as fans may not like some of the choices that are about to be made but wheeling and dealing is what we have to expect. Not what we want or think we should put up with, but the harsh reality of the world is that things need to be paid for. We can only wait and see.
 
I think the rot set in early in the season when the vendetta from the referees just kept going on and on with penalty after penalty from cheaters, divers and some who were worse than the local drunks at staying on their feet.
Grant Holts diving around got my goat every time I saw him on the football league show.
 
Now what's your definition of SUCCESS for next season?

Thats a good question for me.

No doubt our board will say the usual we are pushing for promotion but have to get a stable wage budget into the club, which is far enough if for once I hope they go about this the right wat by being sensible with wages and with signing our own squad not one full of loans again.

For me personally its about creating a stable team of our own players, a good combine mixture of exeperience with the use of our younger players and development players stepping into squad roles and hopefully first team roles, The main success though will come by sorting the back five out, new keeper seems a must to me, and keeping hold of Lowton and Maguire are key, we need however another pacey full back, if we go with Morgan/Maguire when Morgs is fit this will be important as both don't have ample ammounts of pace. But looking at it really the whole squad will probably be overalled so the board need to be somewhat realistic in their own expectations next season and some fans may need to be a little more patient than we have been, there is a massive job to be done this summer at the Lane, I think a push to be in or around the play offs, is a start, anything more the first season for me is a massive bonus for me.
 
Thats a good question for me.

No doubt our board will say the usual we are pushing for promotion but have to get a stable wage budget into the club, which is far enough if for once I hope they go about this the right wat by being sensible with wages and with signing our own squad not one full of loans again.

For me personally its about creating a stable team of our own players, a good combine mixture of exeperience with the use of our younger players and development players stepping into squad roles and hopefully first team roles, The main success though will come by sorting the back five out, new keeper seems a must to me, and keeping hold of Lowton and Maguire are key, we need however another pacey full back, if we go with Morgan/Maguire when Morgs is fit this will be important as both don't have ample ammounts of pace. But looking at it really the whole squad will probably be overalled so the board need to be somewhat realistic in their own expectations next season and some fans may need to be a little more patient than we have been, there is a massive job to be done this summer at the Lane, I think a push to be in or around the play offs, is a start, anything more the first season for me is a massive bonus for me.

Regarding Maguire's perceived lack of pace, is it just me or is he carrying a hefty amount of timber for a young professional footballer?

Hopefully this is a positive though, as a good pre-season should lead to a leaner and significantly quicker player.
 
The fact that you (among others) are apportioning ANY blame at Gary Speed is, frankly laughable.

On what basis is Gary Speed to blame for anything ?

He had 4 months.

He had no money to spend to improve an attrocious squad of players assembled by ???? Gary's one and only crime was to attempt to get a squad of cloggers to play football. He soon realised this was mission impossible and was on his toes tout suite.

He was allowed to bring in one "star" name (on loan) who was head and shoulders above anything seen at the Lane in 3 years. Evidence of his "understanding" of what was required and also what was needed to revitalise a misfiring £3m striker.

In fact laughable doesn't go far enough. Complete lack of understanding is much better.

As a parallel who is / was to blame for Liverpool's poor start. Was it :-

a. Benitez.
b. Hodgson.

If you think it was Hodgson than I rest my case !

To finish and to get back on topic, I am extremely worried about Adams abilities as a footballing manager. I guess this is what is causing the apparent splitting of views in the boardroom.

If the decision to fire was not clouded by the club then needing to look for a 5th Manager in under 12 months then I am sure he would be out.

Stability vs Progression IMHO.

As it stands, I doubt we can have both :cry:
 
Regarding Maguire's perceived lack of pace, is it just me or is he carrying a hefty amount of timber for a young professional footballer?

Hopefully this is a positive though, as a good pre-season should lead to a leaner and significantly quicker player.

He's certainly well built, and he's quite stong in some regards, and he certainly isn't completely slow at times he ran well with Danny Haynes, we'll have to wait and see I suppose.
 
He's certainly well built, and he's quite stong in some regards, and he certainly isn't completely slow at times he ran well with Danny Haynes, we'll have to wait and see I suppose.

He reminds me of Paul Beesley. Mr Reliable. (apart from slipping on wet grass and bad positional sense.)

Hopefully he will improve, many think he has a great future. Surely his nickname needs to be Jerry. (Maguire.)
 
No, you just made the same point in 4 or 5 different ways.....

Will you be making the 0.6 mile trip to watch your lads in the play-offs? They can't be serious about League Football can they?

They were promoted on 9th May last year, on 10th they started knocking down an old stand on one side of their ground and last month, their new £4M stand opened. Yes they mean business !

It's 0.7 miles :)
 

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