Micky Adams we must give him a chance to bring us back up.

[Mendi]

I was in tears at today match i will not blame Micky Adams a tall i believe the whole club have make mistake its no wonder Neil Warnock left us.the club

To late to see the club making a statement after there mistakes this season and i hope the club will give Micky Adams a chance to take us back up.

I hope the blades dont end up selling their key players and we must regroup and not rip the team after we went down.

I witnessed Adams in tears when he left the stadium.

ps

Where is the money we got from the west ham matter.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think the time is now about right for a balanced discussion about MA ability to continue in the role and turn us round.
As a fan who didnt think he was the right man for the job originally and shouldn't have made the final 3 shortlist, based on his past record, I start from a negative perspective. But I can accept performances have improved towards the end of thr season.

My concerns would still be that at no point has he addressed our main problem this season which has been our defence. In our last 10 games we have conceeded 20 goals and dispite signing a defensive midfielder and a centre half he has failed to organised us effectively to stop shipping goals.

From an attacking perspctive we still lack any width, allowing wide players to move out and pushing our Willo out wide but still sticking with 4-4-2.
This seem to have been a common failure with our previous managers to play players at home in a central 2 or 3 out wide in order to stick with 4-4-2.
He made the decsion to ditch Britton and bring in Doyle because of formations which I think hasnt paid off.

I on the fence, mainly because my choices for the managers role have either already moved out of our reach or we are unable/unwilling to fund their move. Still really wish we'd gone for Howe once SOD was a no go. Those names should have been on the shortlist with Hill before Adams.

 

[Houso]

Pretty much in the same position as you Bob.

He's been poor so far, but he does know the lower leagues and may be the best man to stabilise us and subsequently get us back up.

That said, the signings of Collins and Doyle (and Bent) will hang around his neck for some time.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

There isn't much to disagree with there Bob. I think on the basis of the more recent games, and players used, I'm veering towards giving him more time. I personally thought someone like Hughton would have been worth looking at, but at the time thought Adams was a reasonable choice. Also felt Macca should have been given a go rather than Robbo - the Blackwell appointment happened so quickly I don't think any of us really had a chance to suggest anyone then.

I'm concerned at the Pembo rumours. By all accounts he's doing a really good job where he is. Realistically, he could stick at that job for years, and make it a really long-term role. We've been lacking someone to do that, and he seems a good fit there. He has virtually no 1st team experience though, and it would be a gamble to give him the job. It would likely weaken the Academy, as it's unlikely Pembo could be easily replaced, and in the event it goes wrong for him after 1-2 years he'll be out of the club - we wouldn't realistically put him back with the Academy. I'm not totally against the idea of appointing a new manager, but would be unhappy if we went with Pembo.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Doyle I could understand, he'd played for him before and I suppose it would be like Warnock going for Monty in a similar position. What's interesting is that Doyle has been the one to miss out in the last few games. Again, Collins was understandable given the problems we had in the centre of defence but it's clear that both haven't done what they were bought to do and that's one of the worrying things in that next season's team could be built around the two of them.

For me, MA has to be given the chance to build a team. He's had time to settle in, get to know what we have and what's needed and I don't think bringing a new man in at this stage would be of any benefit, not least of all from a cost issue. He knows the lower divisions, has had success there and as I've said before, there won't be a more passionate, determined manager in charge next season if he stays.

 

[raul]

Except Warnock hasn't gone for Monty has he? He chose Shaun Derry instead. :thumbup:

Is it reasonable to conclude from the above that the only reason he stays is because we don't believe we can attract better anymore?

 

[Bladesway]

Its all too late now. Change again means further instability at the club and lets be honest who of any credibility would take us on? As is always the way with us, the mistake was made a long time ago. I am a great believer that as a Chairman you bear the responsibility of your actions/signings. You take the Manager on you have to give him a full season as an absolute minimum to prove himself one way or another. Blackwell should have either gone the end of last season or been given the whole of this season.

Its proven that chopping and changing doesn't bring any positive outcome. For me as much as I don't think he is a long term solution you give Adams the season, take the pressure off the bloke and let him get on with the job.

We are in a pot load of shit and changing the manager will only stick us in it deeper.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Except Warnock hasn't gone for Monty has he? He chose Shaun Derry instead. :thumbup:

Is it reasonable to conclude from the above that the only reason he stays is because we don't believe we can attract better anymore?

Yep, the only reason, apart form the other 4 or 5 I mentioned

 

[BladeHearts]

Its important that stability and continuity returns to our club.

For those reasons alone I am in favour of keeping Micky, additionally we have also shown more spirit and togetherness in recent weeks which is a step in the right direction.

That said were he to be dismissed I can't say I would be distraught. What is of more importance is that a swift decision is made on whether he stays or goes, the last thing we need is a repetition of the Blackwell situation.

 

[Crazyblade]

Wonderful, he shed a tear on leaving. So did a good many fans on Saturday, I am sure. Maybe we should give them the job instead?

His record has been abysmal since taking over at BDTBL. I simply don't trust his decisions, and for that reason alone I'd like him to go before we start the rebuilding this summer.

 

[raul]

Yep, the only reason, apart form the other 4 or 5 I mentioned

No, you just made the same point in 4 or 5 different ways.....

Will you be making the 0.6 mile trip to watch your lads in the play-offs? They can't be serious about League Football can they?

 

[bricktop]

I think Micky Adams was given a poisioned chalice right from the very start.

He came in as the clubs 4th manager of the season, and inherited a squad full of loan players, there was noises that a few players weren't as fit as they could have been, and his only options to strengthen was by bringing in free transfers or using the loan market further. That was why it took him a while to get his first result, as he inherited a squad of players who generally was not up to scratch, or not interested in playing for Sheffield United. That is why we ended up with Collins and Doyle, as during the Janurary Transfer Window, clubs look to strengthen their squads and very few clubs let players go, so with the lack of decent available players was the reason we ended up with Collins and Doyle.

My own personal opinion was that this relegation was coming for a long time, i thought it was coming at the back end of last season as we still had the problems of a squad top heavy with loan players, and if we went in to this season with a squad made up of much the same, then we was heading for trouble, and sadly i was right and so it came to pass.

Laying the blame solely at the feet of Micky Adams is completely wrong. He came in to a club that was a complete mess, and couldn't turn it round, but then again i don't think there is many managers who could have turned it round quickly enough to save us from relegation, but Adams has shown some bollocks by accepting some of the blame, and looks to be addressing the problems that have put us in League 1. This decent run of form has come too late to save us from the drop, but at least its a sign that if we give him time, then he will be able to slowly but surely start to get things right, and hopefully given more time he can turn round this slide.

One person who has seemed to got away from this with his reputation intact was Gary Speed. When he was in charge, i thought he looked out of his depth, his radio interviews seemed to indicate a lack of confidence, and a lack of knowledge of how to get us out of the tailspin. We turned in a lot of shocking performances with Gary Speed in charge, and if he had continued we would have still ended up in League 1. Nobody wanted Gary Speed to succeed more than i did, and i wanted to give him time to show that he could turn it round, but from the first few weeks i thought he would prove that good players don't neccesarily make good managers. I was glad when he went, as i thought he was out of his depth, and his eagerness to get out the Lane and take the Wales job showed that he maybe knew he would make it at Bramall Lane and it was an escape for him.

 

[Micalijo]

I think Micky Adams was given a poisioned chalice right from the very start.

He came in as the clubs 4th manager of the season, and inherited a squad full of loan players, there was noises that a few players weren't as fit as they could have been, and his only options to strengthen was by bringing in free transfers or using the loan market further. That was why it took him a while to get his first result, as he inherited a squad of players who generally was not up to scratch, or not interested in playing for Sheffield United. That is why we ended up with Collins and Doyle, as during the Janurary Transfer Window, clubs look to strengthen their squads and very few clubs let players go, so with the lack of decent available players was the reason we ended up with Collins and Doyle.

My own personal opinion was that this relegation was coming for a long time, i thought it was coming at the back end of last season as we still had the problems of a squad top heavy with loan players, and if we went in to this season with a squad made up of much the same, then we was heading for trouble, and sadly i was right and so it came to pass.

Laying the blame solely at the feet of Micky Adams is completely wrong. He came in to a club that was a complete mess, and couldn't turn it round, but then again i don't think there is many managers who could have turned it round quickly enough to save us from relegation, but Adams has shown some bollocks by accepting some of the blame, and looks to be addressing the problems that have put us in League 1. This decent run of form has come too late to save us from the drop, but at least its a sign that if we give him time, then he will be able to slowly but surely start to get things right, and hopefully given more time he can turn round this slide.

One person who has seemed to got away from this with his reputation intact was Gary Speed. When he was in charge, i thought he looked out of his depth, his radio interviews seemed to indicate a lack of confidence, and a lack of knowledge of how to get us out of the tailspin. We turned in a lot of shocking performances with Gary Speed in charge, and if he had continued we would have still ended up in League 1. Nobody wanted Gary Speed to succeed more than i did, and i wanted to give him time to show that he could turn it round, but from the first few weeks i thought he would prove that good players don't neccesarily make good managers. I was glad when he went, as i thought he was out of his depth, and his eagerness to get out the Lane and take the Wales job showed that he maybe knew he would make it at Bramall Lane and it was an escape for him.

Nobody was asking him to turn us round, all he had to do was win a couple more games and keep us up. When you look at the resources available to him in terms of wage bill, he has obviously made a total cock-up - not one of his signings have made any real difference and I find it incomprehensible that he still has a job. Why fall out with wardy? Why sign Bent, Collins and Doyle. To trot out the argument that there was nobody else available is poor in my opinion.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

the signing of bent in particular was simply laughable. I wouldn't like to guess what we were paying for his services.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Nobody was asking him to turn us round, all he had to do was win a couple more games and keep us up. When you look at the resources available to him in terms of wage bill, he has obviously made a total cock-up - not one of his signings have made any real difference and I find it incomprehensible that he still has a job. Why fall out with wardy? Why sign Bent, Collins and Doyle. To trot out the argument that there was nobody else available is poor in my opinion.

Equally, it is unfair to make the last 6 months all his fault. I'm not that bothered as to whether he stays or goes, as long as a decision is made quickly and we actually make a fist of preparing for next year - that, above all else, has been the problem this year. We gave a one-trick-pony the chance to turn us into footballing purists, expected him to do it with someone else's players (whether that was his choice or ours, it was still wrong) and when it was clear he couldn't do it, appointed someone without the balls or experience to do anything to change it. By the time Xmas came we needed a complete rebuild. Adams didn't do it and here we are.

In retrospect I feel like we've been completely mugged this year. I wasn't that bothered that we got off to a bad start, and maintained throughout that as long as we didn't need snookers at Xmas we'd still be in with a shout of a half-decent finish. I believed the hype about Speed before he took over - actually all I've seen is an ability to trot out platitudes and diminishing respect for a decent professional career. What I can't understand is why, when we recognised that the loan system was expensive and ineffective last season, we continued with it this year. Adams' signings were shit - but when you look at what he took over, he had a mixed bag of poor signings from the last two managers with no stars and no defined system. Bent was a classic opportunist / panic signing. Collins - shit. Doyle - previous trusted foot soldier.

When you look at what needed replacing; mardy / disinterested / unfit creative players (Yeates / Ward / Williamson), dodgy / inconsistent keeper (Simonsen), expensive incompetent on season long loan (Nosworthy), misfiring / impotent / slow strikers (Cresswell / Evans). It needed at least five or six quality / dependable signings in January to produce a guaranteed turnaround. I think Adams bought into the underperforming play-off contenders brand and thought that a bit of kick, bollock and bite would be all that was needed to get through to the end of the year.

I also suspect, apology completely discounted, that Birch couldn't see any way of financing a turnaround and I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that he thinks a rebuild will be easier from League 1.

 

[Worksop II]

I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that he thinks a rebuild will be easier from League 1.

I wouldn`t be suprised to hear that Birchy's latest attempt to find find a Foreign Investor have just been thwarted, by the CIA shooting him

 

[judge]

im with brownie here ,adams isnt to blame for our relagation
gary speed started the rot and then fucked off leaving us in the proverbial

thanks gary

 

[shorehamview]

im with brownie here ,adams isnt to blame for our relagation
gary speed started the rot and then fucked off leaving us in the proverbial

thanks gary

It's hardly Gary Speed's faulty either. Nor is it Blackwell's, or Darth Vader's, or Dracula's, or Henry's Cat's fault. Blame the regime that decided giving Robson a massive wedge to spoff away on over paid prima-donnas, then decided to sell, sell, sell.

 

[themaninblack]

Of course Adams should be sacked; he is the worst manager in the history of the club. He has presided over a series of performances that were a betrayal of everything SUFC ought to stand for. Personally I think throwing the younger players into the latter games was utter cowardice; he knew that the crowd wouldn’t slaughter them and that consequently it would make him look a bit better. If he really thought the younger players were up to it why didn’t he play them earlier, when a few decent performances could have made a difference?

We are going to lose our better players now, young and old, and that will scupper any hope of a triumphant season next year. The key phrase we should be looking out for is 'a period of consolidation'; once that appears we will know that the club has completely given up.

 

[bricktop]

It's hardly Gary Speed's faulty either. Nor is it Blackwell's, or Darth Vader's, or Dracula's, or Henry's Cat's fault. Blame the regime that decided giving Robson a massive wedge to spoff away on over paid prima-donnas, then decided to sell, sell, sell.

Looking back on the longer term, your absolutely right. Robinson and Robson set us back years with their complete ineptitude, but when you look back on this season there has still been mistake made, and i think that you can still attach varying degree's of blame to all three managers we have used this season, it just seems that people are sticking it all on Blackwell and Adams, whilst forgetting Speed hardly excelled in his first management job.

 

[mall]

Nobody was asking him to turn us round, all he had to do was win a couple more games and keep us up. When you look at the resources available to him in terms of wage bill, he has obviously made a total cock-up - not one of his signings have made any real difference and I find it incomprehensible that he still has a job. Why fall out with wardy? Why sign Bent, Collins and Doyle. To trot out the argument that there was nobody else available is poor in my opinion.[/

I agree entirely with that assessment.
Gary Speed left us with something like 29 points after 23 matches. Not world shattering but sufficient for any new manager to work with. Gary Speed also did not have the benefit of any transfer window to reshape the side...Adams has.
The reason for the dearth of goals with Speed was that he fully realised that there were not many goals in the front line and he played a tactical game to keep down the goals conceded. Had he had a transfer window I fell that he may have addressed this problem and the would have been more balanced.
As it was he left for reasons none of us know and Adams was installed....another divisive appointment, and still is to this day.
WE, the supporters could have picked any combination of managers and we would have stood a chance of avoiding relegation given support by the Board as Adams was. However, Adams never got to grip despite signing players he could call his own and the team were relegated. Adams has to be responsible from the moment he walked into the club and the excuse that it wasn't his own team is preposterous.
Now we are into the unknown and I don't trust Adams to handle the younger players who will come through, but I would trust some input from Pemberton.

 

[judge]

It's hardly Gary Speed's faulty either. Nor is it Blackwell's, or Darth Vader's, or Dracula's, or Henry's Cat's fault. Blame the regime that decided giving Robson a massive wedge to spoff away on over paid prima-donnas, then decided to sell, sell, sell.

i disagree when speed came in most of us knew he had a tough job on his hands .we needed stability and some signs of progresion ,we got neither
he was just in it for the status of managing a top club and when the first bigger offer came in he jumped ship

for me speed IS responsible for the terrible mess this club is in ,he took on a job he couldnt handle and then bailed when he realised he was out of his depth

leaving behind him a trainwreck of a first team squad that had no chance of survival ,the ball -less bastard

 

[beechblade]

Gary Speed also did not have the benefit of any transfer window to reshape the side...Adams has.

Sorry Mall Gary Speed was put in charge with 2 weeks left on the Transfer Window. He had two weeks less of a transfer window than Adams. But you could also look at it that Speed had been here all summer and new the ins and outs of the squad far better than Adams did when Adams took charge. Adams had a matter of days to assess the team before his transfer window. Speed also a more of a fully fit squad than Adams, he had Morg's to start with and we still shipped goals, he couldn't get the best out of Quinn, or Evans, and I'd argued against him not being backed, he was able to bring in a very expensive Andy Reid, and brought in Calve, Parrino (whom ne never played.)

 

[Bladesway]

Don't blame Warnock, Robson, Speed, Blackwell, Adams, Carver or any of the rest of the unhappy band, I blame the people who put them there. IF (and its a bloody big one) they have learned their lesson they will stop meddling, stop chucking money around elsewhere and concentrate on the one thing that matters to every single supporter of SUFC. The FOOTBALL CLUB. Once we start doing that there is hope.

I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the Manager isn't the single biggest influencer on the team for someone like us. Sure they are part of it and Adams hasn't covered himself in Glory but its a bit like sending a soldier into battle with a wooden gun when all those around him have real ones. Adams had to wheel and deal which was bad enough, but he had no real time to do it in. Yes, he brought some shit in and for that he should be questioned however, I go back to my initial post. You give the man a budget and a whole season, you set out their objectives and monitor their progress. If they have spent half the budget but are outside their goal (i.e promotion) then you give them a reminder of what that budget is for and that your expectation remains no matter what they do or don't spend.

Why the hell should the Chairmen who appoint these Managers get away scott free? You generally appoint a manager on a contract. Well if you believe in that then you should stand your reputation by it.


Why did we give Robson a long term contract and then boot him out less than a third of the way through it? Isn't that poor management from the top?
Why did we give Blackwell a further extention on his contract and then sack him with 2 years still on it? Isn't that also poor management from the top?

More arguable would be why did we let Warnock go up with a team and not get a bigger/better name in? But if you are the Grade A businessman that McCabe says he is you aren't scared of making these decisions are you?

When you are in a big deep hole, why do you appoint a man with absolutely no managerial experience (Speed)? Isn't that a really big gamble to take?

Contracts are too readilly bandied about on Managers and players who are at best a bit of a punt (with a p). If these businessmen are so sure of themselves then shouldn't their reputations stand on this also?

I see some stinkingly bad decisions all authorised by one man. The same man who took Birch on, the same man who had Terry the Pieman running things all over the shop (apparently Terry suggested Robson as Manager!!!). This is the man who authorised Chengdu Blades, Hungarian clubs, Belgian clubs, Argentinian partnerships, Brazilian partnerships, Australian Partnerships, a big hotel. And thats off the top of my head. To me thats the equivalent of signing Doyle & Collins 100 times over but to some he can't and shouldn't be criticised.

Apparently phrases such as "we are relegated, it will pass" and "could be worse, could be the pigs" are the ones we should hang our hats on. Cliches like "All True Blades are at the Lane" and "Stop moaning" are rearing their heads. To use a McCabeism it really beggars belief that anyone would trust McCabe to run a bath let alone a football club. Yet there are more people blaming former managers here than the man still at the helm.

We even turn on each other as fans rather than vent our frustrations at the people who are the puppetmasters.

 

[mall]

Sorry Mall Gary Speed was put in charge with 2 weeks left on the Transfer Window. He had two weeks less of a transfer window than Adams. But you could also look at it that Speed had been here all summer and new the ins and outs of the squad far better than Adams did when Adams took charge. Adams had a matter of days to assess the team before his transfer window.

That is always supposing that the Board was willing to back Speed the way they did Adams. The silence was deafening at that time as I remember. I don't think the Board realised the danger until Adams' disastrous few weeks in charge.

 

[beechblade]

That is always supposing that the Board was willing to back Speed the way they did Adams. The silence was deafening at that time as I remember. I don't think the Board realised the danger until Adams' disastrous few weeks in charge.

But it's also supposing Speed wasn't backed the same as well, either way we don't know. I'd say both never had a proper budget to work from. Adams had days and as Swiss and others have stated his signings seemed more paniced than I truly think they would have been with proper time.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Adams still has 2 years on his contract what would it cost to buy that out 500,000 to get rid of their latest scapegoat.
No way would this club spend that much they are still into their slash and burn doing what they do best sending the club down the leagues.

 

[Pragmatic Blade]

The players must shoulder as much of the blame as Adams. There are enough experienced players in the squad (either borrowed or permanent) who have simply not delivered this season. Simonsen, Wright, Nosworthy, Montgomery, Quinn, Williamson, Cresswell, Bent, Henderson, Yeates, Ward have all played enough matches at this level or the one above, and they have not performed with any consistency.

Players get managers the sack. I am not saying MA is completely blameless in all this, but he should be given time to sort it out in my view. Hopefully the root and branch review will allow him to keep his job, because he is best placed to understand the situation we find ourselves in. Performances have improved a bit of late and some of the old fighting spirit has returned albeit too late to save us this season.

UTB

 

[travellingblade]

Why play the "Blame game".

What's happened, has happened, and it's now history, which no-one can change. All we can do is learn from it.

Micky Adams was given a 2 and half year contract, so we MUST honour it, or pay him off, which we cannot afford to do. We want our money going on the playing staff and nobody else. We certainly need it.

We don't know what instructions he was working under, and if anybody has ever inherited a team, whether in sport or in work, it takes a while, and we certainly ALL make mistakes.

I believe MA should retain his job, be allowed to develop HIS team of OUR players, not loanees, and if he does not succeed next season, he should show us that he's a Blade and walk away, without a payoff. If he does succeed, which I expect him to, then we should back him and the players as we did on Saturday.

Now what's your definition of SUCCESS for next season?

 

[TopBoy]

Adams has to be given a chance, and by that I mean at the very least a close season to assemble a squad. I think we've proven beyond all reasonable doubt that swapping the manager is not a foundation for success.