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[Flatulent_Bob]

The cheap choice is the manager the board opt for that costs the least amount in salary and requests a small transfer budget. Could turn out to be a master stroke, often it doesn’t

As for the going rate Bob, if true with SJ demands of £4m, do you believe that the likes of Hecky, Appleton and Cooper would be asking for that sort of salary? I certainly don’t. All relative.

Ooh I’d not heard £4M being asked for. He ain’t getting that but even with my concerns about his mercenary tendencies I can’t see anyone wanting more than £2M and I’d expect that to be incentivised but I’m sure we’d pay it for the right candidate.
£4M is just stupid, no one would pay that for a championship manager, that’s 80k/week and I seriously doubt that’s his ask.
If that’s is his demand then he clearly doesn’t want the job and I do think he’d take it if there are no better offers ie from London.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The. Manager salary is one part of the costs of the change. Looking at the dozen support staff Clement uses, it could easily double.
Then, despite the u23 success, the new manager might want to replace that setup as well, if say the commitment to 352 is to change.
We may be changing the entire structure to one like a Chelsea or Watford where we can swap out coaches mid season on a regular basis. So only the figurehead changes but the structure remains.

Great point.
I don’t think any coach will get to overhaul the academy as I’d expect that to be under Heckingbottom and Van Winckle, although I’m sure they’ll have a say in some aspects.
Does Slav tend to take his back room guys along with him?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Ooh I’d not heard £4M being asked for. He ain’t getting that but even with my concerns about his mercenary tendencies I can’t see anyone wanting more than £2M and I’d expect that to be incentivised but I’m sure we’d pay it.
£4M is just stupid, no one would pay that for a championship manager, that’s 80k/week and I seriously doubt that’s his ask.
If that’s is his demand then he clearly doesn’t want the job and I do think he’d take it if there are no better offers ie from London.

Agree - no one is paying a championship manager €80k a week. Wilder only got that once he had basically reached an untouchable position here.

you’d pay him roughly a third of that I expect and have room for a couple of sizeable player salaries on the books also for the same money.

I’d just like some sort of decision on all this. It’s been 2 months since wilder went and we don’t appear to be any closer to an appointment. I say 2 months, it’s been almost 5 months since wilder offered his resignation, we must have know at that point a new manager was a distinct possibility and should have had some plans for a replacement in mind.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Agree - no one is paying a championship manager €80k a week. Wilder only got that once he had basically reached an untouchable position here.

you’d pay him roughly a third of that I expect and have room for a couple of sizeable player salaries on the books also for the same money.

I’d just like some sort of decision on all this. It’s been 2 months since wilder went and we don’t appear to be any closer to an appointment. I say 2 months, it’s been almost 5 months since wilder offered his resignation, we must have know at that point a new manager was a distinct possibility and should have had some plans for a replacement in mind.

I don’t think it’s right to say we’re no further forward. They’ll have it down to a handful of candidates, all have gone through the due diligence and permit checks, now we just need to prioritise them and make offers.
Remember at least one of these guys still has this season at his current employer to finish so I’m not sure what else we could have done or what the benefit would be of announcing it early.

 

[Deadbat]

I don’t think it’s right to say we’re no further forward. They’ll have it down to a handful of candidates, all have gone through the due diligence and permit checks, now we just need to prioritise them and make offers.
Remember at least one of these guys still has this season at his current employer to finish so I’m not sure what else we could have done or what the benefit would be of announcing it early.

It seems we had targets but could not secure them. There is no other reason for a 3 month wait. Most clubs fire and replace within days. I can only think those we had lined up there were complications.

I think I would have wanted the new manager in long before now to assess things on and off the pitch the last few weeks/month of the season. Even if Hecky stayed in charge for the actual games and he watched from the stands and the new guy was just up at Shirecliffe observing in a watching brief.

Now by the time we get someone in the first they will see of the squad will be late June/early July and he will have 5 weeks to properly look at things in terms of fitness, how we train, recruitment, formation, everything really. He will only see them training v each other and pre season games v mostly inferior opponents. He may get the wrong impression of where this squad is at.

I believe the whole side, squad and approach needs a major shake up. Lose the next 3 and we will have the 2nd most losses pro rata in league football ever over 130 years for all 4 divs. Anyone who does not think that only has the 'It's a lower level we will be ok argument.' Still see projected line ups with 8 or 9 of this seasons absolute losers in it and I recoil.

I think that each day/week we lose will set us back personally to how we start next season. I think there is a lot of surgery/work to be done in all aspects of the 1st team operation. Fitness, conditioning, tactics, defending, attacking, you name it. Most Champ clubs were finished a week ago too. Every day we lose I think hinders us next season BUT would rather wait if it meant us getting the right man. However, I think we need someone in place in the next 2 weeks regardless so they can plan and the players have some impetus to their off season work/conditioning.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I don’t think it’s right to say we’re no further forward. They’ll have it down to a handful of candidates, all have gone through the due diligence and permit checks, now we just need to prioritise them and make offers.
Remember at least one of these guys still has this season at his current employer to finish so I’m not sure what else we could have done or what the benefit would be of announcing it early.

i might be being harsh to the club but if the various rumours are to be believed

Fan pressure has led them to interview a man that they didn’t really fancy and he wants 80k a week ( or at least more Than we will pay. ) not exactly a sign we are on the verge of an appointment.

our top’ target can’t legally work in the country ( which we should have known).

My fear is the longer this goes on the more likely some nonentity like Heckingbotton, Appleton or Lennon gets the job. Just because they are available

my view is there would have been a massive benefit in getting the new guy in and letting him assess the squad before he has to start making transfer decisions. Even if that was just for a limited period

 

[Kev Gee]

Great point.
I don’t think any coach will get to overhaul the academy as I’d expect that to be under Heckingbottom and Van Winckle, although I’m sure they’ll have a say in some aspects.
Does Slav tend to take his back room guys along with him?

I think PA mentioned that overall responsibility for player recruitment won't be on the manager(s) moving forward.

Players signed and youth players would also move from team to team up and down the United world clubs depending on progression. Even managers could be brought in from say Belgium and straight away know the squad and tactics. I assume that the managers of each team will also need to learn what players each team possesses.

The benefit of this is that there would be less churn in players and a longer term strategy towards players and coaching could be formulated.

The downside of this is that some managers, coaches and players may not like this and prefer a more hands on approach to recruitment.

Maybe some managers have interviewed and decided they don't like this model?

 

[Suomi_Blade]

Could the problem be his contract doesnt official end until 30th June?

Slavisa Jokanovic - Manager profile

This is the profile site of the manager Slavisa Jokanovic. The site lists all clubs he coached and all clubs he played for.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[Frank the tank]

I'm a bit worried we are going to miss out on potential targets because of this
There are a lot of free agents available this season and we have to do a lot of business unless we are going with what we've got ,which worries me ,really worries me !

 

[blade_ben]

I think PA mentioned that overall responsibility for player recruitment won't be on the manager(s) moving forward.

No, he didn’t

 

[Espania blade]

It seems we had targets but could not secure them. There is no other reason for a 3 month wait. Most clubs fire and replace within days. I can only think those we had lined up there were complications.

I think I would have wanted the new manager in long before now to assess things on and off the pitch the last few weeks/month of the season. Even if Hecky stayed in charge for the actual games and he watched from the stands and the new guy was just up at Shirecliffe observing in a watching brief.

Now by the time we get someone in the first they will see of the squad will be late June/early July and he will have 5 weeks to properly look at things in terms of fitness, how we train, recruitment, formation, everything really. He will only see them training v each other and pre season games v mostly inferior opponents. He may get the wrong impression of where this squad is at.

I believe the whole side, squad and approach needs a major shake up. Lose the next 3 and we will have the 2nd most losses pro rata in league football ever over 130 years for all 4 divs. Anyone who does not think that only has the 'It's a lower level we will be ok argument.' Still see projected line ups with 8 or 9 of this seasons absolute losers in it and I recoil.

I think that each day/week we lose will set us back personally to how we start next season. I think there is a lot of surgery/work to be done in all aspects of the 1st team operation. Fitness, conditioning, tactics, defending, attacking, you name it. Most Champ clubs were finished a week ago too. Every day we lose I think hinders us next season BUT would rather wait if it meant us getting the right man. However, I think we need someone in place in the next 2 weeks regardless so they can plan and the players have some impetus to their off season work/conditioning.

I think it was stated somewhere by the club that some were still in work and under contract so they couldn't approach them or make announcements until the season was over - i could be wrong of course, but it makes sense.

 

[Kev Gee]

No, he didn’t

Yes he did.

 

[Harrisblade]

i might be being harsh to the club but if the various rumours are to be believed

Fan pressure has led them to interview a man that they didn’t really fancy and he wants 80k a week ( or at least more Than we will pay. ) not exactly a sign we are on the verge of an appointment.

our top’ target can’t legally work in the country ( which we should have known).

My fear is the longer this goes on the more likely some nonentity like Heckingbotton, Appleton or Lennon gets the job. Just because they are available

my view is there would have been a massive benefit in getting the new guy in and letting him assess the squad before he has to start making transfer decisions. Even if that was just for a limited period

But werent/aren't at least 3 of the supposed targets still battling for honours at their present clubs?

 

[Jon Bon II]

Is it today, dad?

 

[blade_ben]

Yes he did.

No he didn’t

 

[Bladey_blade]

The cheap choice is the manager the board opt for that costs the least amount in salary and requests a small transfer budget. Could turn out to be a master stroke, often it doesn’t

As for the going rate Bob, if true with SJ demands of £4m, do you believe that the likes of Hecky, Appleton and Cooper would be asking for that sort of salary? I certainly don’t. All relative.

What's your source for the £4m demands? Only figures I've seen were the ones mentioned in the initial article few month ago quoting 2m

 

[Ranmoorblade]

What's your source for the £4m demands? Only figures I've seen were the ones mentioned in the initial article few month ago quoting 2m

Two year contract?

 

[Pedro Verde]

It seems we had targets but could not secure them. There is no other reason for a 3 month wait. Most clubs fire and replace within days. I can only think those we had lined up there were complications.

Unless our chosen candidates are still under contract at another club

I think I would have wanted the new manager in long before now to assess things on and off the pitch the last few weeks/month of the season. Even if Hecky stayed in charge for the actual games and he watched from the stands and the

Do you want the best choice as manager or one that was free to take charge straight away (ie out of work)

Now by the time we get someone in the first they will see of the squad will be late June/early July and he will have 5 weeks to properly look at things in terms of fitness, how we train, recruitment, formation, everything really. He will only see them training v each other and pre season games v mostly inferior opponents. He may get the wrong impression of where this squad is at.

Im sure any interested candiates will have been watching our games and will have some idea of how our players have been performing

I believe the whole side, squad and approach needs a major shake up. Lose the next 3 and we will have the 2nd most losses pro rata in league football ever over 130 years for all 4 divs. Anyone who does not think that only has the 'It's a lower level we will be ok argument.' Still see projected line ups with 8 or 9 of this seasons absolute losers in it and I recoil.

That doesnt really matter now does it this season went a long time ago
The lower level argument does have some sway as the Championship is no longer La Liga
The financial problems most Championship clubs face will make the League less competetive in terms of quality

I think that each day/week we lose will set us back personally to how we start next season. I think there is a lot of surgery/work to be done in all aspects of the 1st team operation. Fitness, conditioning, tactics, defending, attacking, you name it. Most Champ clubs were finished a week ago too. Every day we lose I think hinders us next season BUT would rather wait if it meant us getting the right man. However, I think we need someone in place in the next 2 weeks regardless so they can plan and the players have some impetus to their off season work/conditioning.

As I said this season is gone and Im sure most of the players and staff wished it had been over weeks ago
Let the players go on a break recharge their batteries both mentally and physically and hopefully the prospect of working under a new manager with new ideas will help them look forward to a new successful season
The squad obviously needs a major overhaul especially midfield I dont think losing a few weeks to Championship clubs in terms of recruitment will make any difference as a majority of Championship clubs will be skint or under an ebargo

 

[jono_t2000]

What's your source for the £4m demands? Only figures I've seen were the ones mentioned in the initial article few month ago quoting 2m

I think people getting confused with what Wilder was reportedly on and what Jokanovic would fetch. $2 mill is closer to the correct figure.

 

[tincan]

Great point.
I don’t think any coach will get to overhaul the academy as I’d expect that to be under Heckingbottom and Van Winckle, although I’m sure they’ll have a say in some aspects.
Does Slav tend to take his back room guys along with him?

You would expect a number to transfer from Qatar but, if this still correct, we have 9 backroom staff and Hecky https://trainingground.guru/staff-profiles/sheffield-united-staff-profiles
Given Clément’s staff in the pedestrian Jupiler league has 17, consisting of assistant, talent, goalie & physical coaches x 6, Performance Specialist, Team Manager, Doctors & support x5, Physiotherapist x 3, Masseur and Video Analyst, it might explain our poor injury/performance this season. I think its been said elsewhere playing the same 11 for 2 seasons of high press play has taken its toll.

With the championship 100mph cloggers to come there is a good case for the new manager to double the backroom staff to be better prepared for the coming chaos. We've invested £100m in "ones for the future", now they are going to meet the technically inept up from the 3rd division. There is a case to have a lot more staff in the Championship compared to the PL, as they need to prepare them for the cloggers and the expected return to the technical PL.

 

[Harrisblade]

I think people getting confused with what Wilder was reportedly on and what Jokanovic would fetch. $2 mill is closer to the correct figure.

What has 'correct' got to do with it if someone wants to make a point

 

[Maidenhead]

Once the decision has been made it's all irrelevant. At that point you have to just get behind him, hope he gets the backing he needs and hope those who wanted him were right. There are legitimate reasons why people think managers are a good choice or a good fit, but sometimes things just don't work out.

Which is exactly why you should never write anyone off before they start either.

Whoever gets the job we need to be right behind them and see where we go before we start forming opinions.

 

[Snowflake]

It seems we had targets but could not secure them. There is no other reason for a 3 month wait. Most clubs fire and replace within days. I can only think those we had lined up there were complications.

I think I would have wanted the new manager in long before now to assess things on and off the pitch the last few weeks/month of the season. Even if Hecky stayed in charge for the actual games and he watched from the stands and the new guy was just up at Shirecliffe observing in a watching brief.

Now by the time we get someone in the first they will see of the squad will be late June/early July and he will have 5 weeks to properly look at things in terms of fitness, how we train, recruitment, formation, everything really. He will only see them training v each other and pre season games v mostly inferior opponents. He may get the wrong impression of where this squad is at.

I believe the whole side, squad and approach needs a major shake up. Lose the next 3 and we will have the 2nd most losses pro rata in league football ever over 130 years for all 4 divs. Anyone who does not think that only has the 'It's a lower level we will be ok argument.' Still see projected line ups with 8 or 9 of this seasons absolute losers in it and I recoil.

I think that each day/week we lose will set us back personally to how we start next season. I think there is a lot of surgery/work to be done in all aspects of the 1st team operation. Fitness, conditioning, tactics, defending, attacking, you name it. Most Champ clubs were finished a week ago too. Every day we lose I think hinders us next season BUT would rather wait if it meant us getting the right man. However, I think we need someone in place in the next 2 weeks regardless so they can plan and the players have some impetus to their off season work/conditioning.

Maybe the decision is made and he will be unveiled at the Burnley match.
Whoever it is will have been doing his own due diligence and will then have 10 weeks until kick off and possibly another two or three until the window closes

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Maybe the decision is made and he will be unveiled at the Burnley match.
Whoever it is will have been doing his own due diligence and will then have 10 weeks until kick off and possibly another two or three until the window closes

Well worth £40!!
By this stage you’d expect anyone who’s still in the running to have presented the board with their assessment of our current situation, how they’d look to remedy it and who they’d ideally like us to bring in. They’ll have plenty of time to work with the players who’ll be having a couple of weeks off after next weekend.
<insert own jokes here>

 

[finlaytheblade]

i might be being harsh to the club but if the various rumours are to be believed

Fan pressure has led them to interview a man that they didn’t really fancy and he wants 80k a week ( or at least more Than we will pay. ) not exactly a sign we are on the verge of an appointment.

our top’ target can’t legally work in the country ( which we should have known).

My fear is the longer this goes on the more likely some nonentity like Heckingbotton, Appleton or Lennon gets the job. Just because they are available

my view is there would have been a massive benefit in getting the new guy in and letting him assess the squad before he has to start making transfer decisions. Even if that was just for a limited period

We didnt make a quick appointment for whatever reason,its best now we wait till it's over and the new man will come in with n
No baggage from this dire season it would just takeaway the impetus a new manager has.
Whoever comes in will be well informed of what we have and Heckingbottom ( a good man) will help him assess it all .In my opinion whoever gets it must still be in post till June.
Blessin will get it in my opinion could be Clement on reflection.

 

[Rudders]

You would expect a number to transfer from Qatar but, if this still correct, we have 9 backroom staff and Hecky https://trainingground.guru/staff-profiles/sheffield-united-staff-profiles
Given Clément’s staff in the pedestrian Jupiler league has 17, consisting of assistant, talent, goalie & physical coaches x 6, Performance Specialist, Team Manager, Doctors & support x5, Physiotherapist x 3, Masseur and Video Analyst, it might explain our poor injury/performance this season. I think its been said elsewhere playing the same 11 for 2 seasons of high press play has taken its toll.

Interesting reading. Allerdyce is well known in this country as having a huge retinue of support staff and coaches. Its why quite a few clubs have baulked at appointing him. I have been like a stuck record on other posts but SUFC really do need to invest in the football side of the club with high quality staff in transfers, scouting, coaching, analysis, media, player liaison and director of football etc
Loved the good times under Wilder but football is always moving forwards and its increasingly hard doing it on the cheap with a few drinking buddies from the Sunday league days

 

[Deadbat]

Unless our chosen candidates are still under contract at another club



Do you want the best choice as manager or one that was free to take charge straight away (ie out of work)

Im sure any interested candiates will have been watching our games and will have some idea of how our players have been performing


That doesnt really matter now does it this season went a long time ago
The lower level argument does have some sway as the Championship is no longer La Liga
The financial problems most Championship clubs face will make the League less competetive in terms of quality



As I said this season is gone and Im sure most of the players and staff wished it had been over weeks ago
Let the players go on a break recharge their batteries both mentally and physically and hopefully the prospect of working under a new manager with new ideas will help them look forward to a new successful season
The squad obviously needs a major overhaul especially midfield I dont think losing a few weeks to Championship clubs in terms of recruitment will make any difference as a majority of Championship clubs will be skint or under an ebargo

Some good points but still think we have wasted a lot if time and I am not convinced the club has a clear plan at all.

Also money talks. Of course I want the best choice but we can still get someone under contract? Majority of the better managers are employed and have to leave clubs. It is bizarre if we are waiting till July 1st if Jokanovic is out of contract then for example. Most managers contracts would expire the same time. We would be foolish to wait till 4 weeks before the start of a new season with so much to do.

If we know our man and want him, we buy them out. Compensation to clubs for managers are relatively little compared to transfer fees. Paying a few hundred thousand a month or so ago and getting things moving would have been preferential to waiting till June IMHO. If we can pay 12 million on two reserve full backs then the most important position in the club needs to be prioritised.

I think watching games on TV is one thing but being at the club/around the place and seeing the ethos and hopefully installing some much needs structure, discipline and professionalism is a priority.

It just smacks me as we don't have a plan at all. I might be wrong. Wilder wanted to go numerous times according to the Prince so surely we identify our target and get him in ASAP. I understand the losing culture argument but maybe the new man may have started to turn that round over the last few months even though we were down?

This notion that within 5 weeks from start of pre season training a new manager will flick a switch and all the issues with fitness, shape, scoring goals, conceding goals will suddenly be righted just because we are in a lower league and there is a different man on the sidelines is a concern. This current squad/side is completely broken. We have seen that under two managers now. A few weeks of summer sun and a break is not going to change things as much as others seem to think.

I really think the club have just wasted 3 months by having no plan or installing a new manager. Big changes needed to be made and the time frame for making these is much shorter now.

Just hope come Sept/Oct we are not bottom half and the new man having wasted 2 months assessing a mostly broken squad is then faced with being out of the transfer window and waiting till January to start to make proper changes- thus repeating the mistakes of the last relegation when any chance of returning was gine by Oct/Nov - then they had to sack Robson.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Fact is we are going into close season with no plan for next season. Players not knowing where they will be, and without the fitness coach or Sport science being applied to them ready for their pre season.

Im sorry, the whole thing is a fucking mess, and quite simply a shambles on and more so off the pitch.
We are going to drift into next season, drift through the transfer window and start next season with a coach who’s still finding his feet and getting to know the players he’s got. That in itself will rule us out of next seasons promotion race so that’ll be one of the parachute payment and seasons advantages wasted.

Im still actually fucking fuming that we can make such a fucking bollocks of this from the position we were in little over 12 months ago, a friggin joke club. And we are laughing at the pigs for being just as amateur!!
Well we are just as bad

 

[Upton_Blade]

Fact is we are going into close season with no plan for next season. Players not knowing where they will be, and without the fitness coach or Sport science being applied to them ready for their pre season.

Im sorry, the whole thing is a fucking mess, and quite simply a shambles on and more so off the pitch.
We are going to drift into next season, drift through the transfer window and start next season with a coach who’s still finding his feet and getting to know the players he’s got. That in itself will rule us out of next seasons promotion race so that’ll be one of the parachute payment and seasons advantages wasted.

Im still actually fucking fuming that we can make such a fucking bollocks of this from the position we were in little over 12 months ago, a friggin joke club. And we are laughing at the pigs for being just as amateur!!
Well we are just as bad

#FLOUNCE

 

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