If You’re Watching Chris

[SUFCinks]

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[Snowflake]

It looks like a downing of tools to me. At least we’ve been rubbish with a bit of effort before. No effort from 6 or 7 players today. Not a coincidence.

I didn’t see a lack of effort but a lack of quality, a lack of focus and a general lack of motivation given the season so far and the fall out of the last few days.
If the players haven’t addressed the latter two points by next Sunday then I may think that they are not bothered.
A lack of quality is something that we have been left with for whatever reason.

 

[Prem owner needed]

CW has never wanted out. Everyone has a breaking point, a limited to what they won't take. CW has had ample opportunities to go to greener pastures. A contract was left on the table for six months at that time, which was signed as soon as they met CW in the middle. A contract far beneath the one you referenced in terms of personal terms.

Agreed, CW probably has reached breaking point with the owner and I think that the fans will shortly do as well, if has stated by the owner that United World is not investing in the clubs next season and is consolidating. Like you and many fans, I am unsure just where this will leave us in respect of being competitive next season and which players will leave the club?

And if this is one of the reasons for CW reaching breaking point, I don't blame him.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I didn’t see a lack of effort but a lack of quality, a lack of focus and a general lack of motivation given the season so far and the fall out of the last few days.
If the players haven’t addressed the latter two points by next Sunday then I may think that they are not bothered.
A lack of quality is something that we have been left with for whatever reason.

A league 1 team would not be able to compete on quality but would at least compete on effort. We didn't have either yesterday.

Put JOC, Egan, Berge and McGoldrick in that team and we don't lose 5 nil. That's the legacy people should be looking at, not a patched up team due to injuries.

Billy Sharp seemed to think that his teammates weren't trying as well.

 

[davidblade]

The mojo of the team left as soon as the pandemic started, all Wilders tactics and organisation couldn’t make up for the players lack of ability and without the available funds necessary to buy the correct players we’re doomed . It’s not only the transfer fees it wages as well. The club is unwilling to complete in the league we are in at the moment, I feel we are heading in a downward spiral and a return to league one awaits. When, if the pandemic is over the crowds won’t return, the club will be haemorrhaging money, the club owners will be totally disillusioned and pocket the parachute money.
Sunderland mk2

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

We are not privy to the disputes or differences of opinion between CW and the Board.

We have had significant injuries over the season and bad luck in some of the early games in particular.

CW has attempted to build for the future by bringing in in young players. It is very difficult for them to hit the ground running in the Premier League.

Let us appreciate what Chris has done for us, and not be too keen to slag him off bearing in mind the above.

 

[Sean Thornton]

A league 1 team would not be able to compete on quality but would at least compete on effort. We didn't have either yesterday.

Put JOC, Egan, Berge and McGoldrick in that team and we don't lose 5 nil. That's the legacy people should be looking at, not a patched up team due to injuries.

Billy Sharp seemed to think that his teammates weren't trying as well.

Do you think enough effort was there in the preceding few games? Because the lack of it was never dealt with. The pro/con arguments, “the board wouldn’t pay for his first choices/ theyre Wilders players doesn’t stop those on the pitch from giving their all. Nor those pitchside or in the boardroom. The idea that 100% of the blame can be apportioned to one side or the other ids frankly laughable. The shithouses on the pitch, not all of them, want to take a good look in the mirror at their part in all this as well.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Do you think enough effort was there in the preceding few games? Because the lack of it was never dealt with. The pro/con arguments, “the board wouldn’t pay for his first choices/ theyre Wilders players doesn’t stop those on the pitch from giving their all. Nor those pitchside or in the boardroom. The idea that 100% of the blame can be apportioned to one side or the other ids frankly laughable. The shithouses on the pitch, not all of them, want to take a good look in the mirror at their part in all this as well.

Lundstram hasn't tried for a few games. Apart from that I just think we've been crap.

We haven't tried to hurt the opposition so I suppose we've not made enough effort, however we've not just let a team make 3 or 4 passes that cut us open, not pick men up, not track back, not run up and down the pitch. I think that actually happened yesterday, it was painfully apparent and looked like a protest performance to me. Might be a coincidence but as I keep saying, Wilder never let us lose 5 nil, he goes and it happens immediately.

Sharp said in an interview "I don't want to accuse my teammates of not trying, but......" then he stopped himself.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Lundstram hasn't tried for a few games. Apart from that I just think we've been crap.

We haven't tried to hurt the opposition so I suppose we've not made enough effort, however we've not just let a team make 3 or 4 passes that cut us open, not pick men up, not track back, not run up and down the pitch. I think that actually happened yesterday, it was painfully apparent and looked like a protest performance to me. Might be a coincidence but as I keep saying, Wilder never let us lose 5 nil, he goes and it happens immediately.

Sharp said in an interview "I don't want to accuse my teammates of not trying, but......" then he stopped himself.

Protest performance? If so those involved should all be fucked off ASAP. We should be protesting against their performances.

It’s a pity Sharp stopped when he did.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Protest performance? If so those involved should all be fucked off ASAP. We should be protesting against their performances.

It’s a pity Sharp stopped when he did.

I agree, if they are happy to serve up 5 nil drubbings for the remainder of the season then they should be sacked. The problem is you can't just get rid and start again in football, Imagine the first 3 months of next season with a completely new team. Plus I'm guessing that part of the issue around CW leaving was that multiple signings weren't on the cards.

 

[Bladey_blade]

Protest performance? If so those involved should all be fucked off ASAP. We should be protesting against their performances.

It’s a pity Sharp stopped when he did.

Probably closer to a depleted squad having barely any prep due to the wilder saga, and having someone on the touchline who hadn't worked with the players. If they downed tools in protest thats scandalous and adds to this laughing stock of a season

 

[1888to1889]

Or maybe CW was naively thinking that together with his constant moaning about being up against top, top players every weeks and using the tactics he used at a previous club (demanding whatever it was and wherever it was) would work against a very rich man from the Saudi royal family.

We probably all would have asked for the same thing if we were in his shoes, however, the Chinese have a proverb, "If the reed does not bend in the wind, it will break."

Constant moaning Or just stating facts

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Constant moaning Or just stating facts

Facts are facts and moaning is moaning

Nothing wrong with stating a fact.

Repeatedly stating the fact becomes a moan

It's a fact that we were up against top, top players

Constantly saying that we're up against top, top players, is moaning

 

[Barney]

Who deserves most credit overall? Wilder
Who deserves most blame for this season? Also Wilder

I think given how much Wilder liked to control things, you would be hypocritical to give him credit for the success but divert blame away from him for failure.

It comes down to a case of two big personalities refusing to budge from their opinion

 

[Mumbo]

Who deserves most credit overall? Wilder
Who deserves most blame for this season? Also Wilder

I think given how much Wilder liked to control things, you would be hypocritical to give him credit for the success but divert blame away from him for failure.

It comes down to a case of two big personalities refusing to budge from their opinion

Wilder failed big style in our 2nd season in the prem
Did I want him to stay?.....yes
Made some shit signings
Did I still want him to stay?......you bet
Played shit football,
Did I want him to stay?......well er yeah
Got Gobby and fell on his sword
Did I still want him to stay?....absolutely,because he was the man to get us back up.

I can criticise Wilder because he has failed in a spectacular record breaking fashion for all to see,it does’nt mean I’m fkn pro prince and anti fkn Wilder.
It just means I can state the bleedin obvious.

and just for the record,I wanted Wilder to stay.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Wilder failed big style in our 2nd season in the prem
Did I want him to stay?.....yes
Made some shit signings
Did I still want him to stay?......you bet
Played shit football,
Did I want him to stay?......well er yeah
Got Gobby and fell on his sword
Did I still want him to stay?....absolutely,because he was the man to get us back up.

I can criticise Wilder because he has failed in a spectacular record breaking fashion for all to see,it does’nt mean I’m fkn pro prince and anti fkn Wilder.
It just means I can state the bleedin obvious.

and just for the record,I wanted Wilder to stay.

Camel shagger......