Our Manager

[CarlMcBlade]

Awful tactics, awful decisions and awful signings, In what’s been a truly awful season. But it is the measure of Chris Wilders achievements at this club, which dictates he still has plenty of credit left in the bank.

 

[Thatsfootie]

Why should Wilder deal with problems in front of the media its in the changing room and out on the training pitch that really matters, Wilder got pelters for calling Henderson out in public, but it worked. So I think Wilder knows a lot more about dealing with football players and staff, than me and you I think hes been hes been pretty successful over the years
Everybody used to say how refreshing it was to listen to Wilders interviews, how honest they were he probably cant be that honest now
I see you lectured in management at University. I had plenty of experience in dealing with management trainees out of University and to say I was less than impressed is a wild understatement most of them were fucking useless

Because it is the manager's job to do so (speak with the press) and its important to do so well to present the club's view professionally. This requires quick thinking and certain skills which can be acquired to go with other skills which have brought success on the pitch. Of course he knows more about football certainly than I do but to me it seemed many of the early media comments about him were potentially patronising.
I expect many of your management trainees had similar views about your management and communication skills but, unlike you, I am not going to be drawn into an argument and swearing. My support remains with the manager and the help he needs.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

FMBlade1 its shit like this that makes people start throwing abuse! I mean really this is one of a number of posts by this poster with no substance just pure shit. These will be the ones stating they will never step foot again in Bramall lane if we end up on the managerial merry go round and drop like a stone.
Surely the manager has shown our fans enough in his tenure to say he will have us bang at it again? Modern day football fans fuck em!

Just virtually stamping my feet and if I went out in public I wouldn't say the words I type, just think them. Nothing to see here, it's just a message board.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Many of those who defend the manager (as is their right) then conflate criticism of the manager as being abuse and then they themselves lay into the posters making such criticisms.

As for Wilder, he has sneered at fans for various reasons, just unnecessary and uncalled for imho. No other manager these days do it, so why should he?

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[ShockingBadBuy]

Wilder will probably slag you all off and blame the trenchfoot on the drainage you built not having the qualiteh that the Germans have.

That would be the Desso. In which case this season is clearly McCabe’s mess, not Wilder’s.

“Sack the board, sell Murphy, grrrrrrrr”, etc.

 

[Yoonited]

Are we all Dinosaurs maybe ? Us fans that are totally wrong. Blades feel we are part of Sheffield United, umbilical chord connecting all together.
We like having our own as Manager and Skipper, love it when players come in and are bitten by the Blades virus.
Maybe the EPL is trying to rid that fan connection from it's model, I have that feeling. Money and a product to sell worldwide all important.

A very thought provoking theory benn and not at all beyond the realms of possibility.

We're a product of the modern game,or not as it were.

 

[bornablade]

There's no other club in the world that is under such scrutiny as Sheffield United.

And I include MUFC in that.

Wilder is under intense pressure.

 

[FMBlade1]

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Oh dear that's just embarrassing.

Mourinho was hated at Manchester United then sacked. He had a justifiable reason to defend McTominay also from abuse.
Lennon is hated at Celtic and is going to be sacked.
Then the next example is Eastleigh, whose manager had to apologize, which Wilder never has done unless you think he should?
Klopp and Guardiola I'll give you, the exception proves the rule here.

 

[ancientblade]

There's no other club in the world that is under such scrutiny as Sheffield United.

And I include MUFC in that.

Wilder is under intense pressure.

hes put himself under pressure with poor signings and stubborness with tactics but the board have done their bit as well by not paying salaries for players that would have kept us in the premier league

 

[FMBlade1]

I suppose it's just when people read things like "in particular after Leicester away last season in one of the most disgraceful outbursts I have ever seen at our football club." it's hard for people at face value to rationalise that as "just criticism". I don't know if you intend it this way but when I read your posts it usually comes across as though you want to engage in this kind of hyperbolic framing and then walk it back to something much more defensible. Which is something we all do from time to time, I guess, it just makes it harder to feel sympathy when you get strong reactions to posts like that.

Ok fair enough that might seem unreasonable, but I stand by it. Can you think of a more dramatic outburst over the past 10 years at our club by our manager? It's not sympathy I'm after here, it's just irritating when people play the poster not the post.

 

[FMBlade1]

We have the big "knew it all along" hatchet men, coming out of the wood work on here now, but be honest, who really could possibly have seen this season coming ?
Mr Wilder is and has been one of the best managers we've had at this club i.m.o and his record proves that, but as soon as things start going wrong there are these knuckle heads who have never done anything good for the blades in their lives trying to drag him down some of you lot should be ashamed.....

It's a forum. People have opinions. Wilder is an employee of this football club, the club where he works would not exist without us. Yes abuse is unacceptable, but criticism is not.

And yes many of us saw this season coming. People get slagged off for being negative about the future, but when they are sadly proven right they can't state so without being seen as relishing it and being mardy.

 

[benn5712]

A very thought provoking theory benn and not at all beyond the realms of possibility.

We're a product of the modern game,or not as it were.

We saw our 'working man's' game gentrified for the Premier league/sky sports and the appalling disaster at S6.
Now being shown that the armchair will generate more than the turnstile.
Blades have tourists but not so much the plastic fans. Wouldn't bother me one bit if the euro super league happened and the elite went. Already plans by eufa to re-jig the champions league.
Back to proper footy for proper fans. We'd all be priced out of the Harlem globetrotter league anyway. Grounds full of corporate boxes, advert breaks, franchise teams.
Bit Orwellian.
He was a miserable twat an' all.

 

[Yoonited]

We saw our 'working man's' game gentrified for the Premier league/sky sports and the appalling disaster at S6.
Now being shown that the armchair will generate more than the turnstile.
Blades have tourists but not so much the plastic fans. Wouldn't bother me one bit if the euro super league happened and the elite went. Already plans by eufa to re-jig the champions league.
Back to proper footy for proper fans. We'd all be priced out of the Harlem globetrotter league anyway. Grounds full of corporate boxes, advert breaks, franchise teams.
Bit Orwellian.
He was a miserable twat an' all.

Yep, been wishing for some time the elite would piss off to a European league and give football the chance to be less manufactured by those with the fattest wallets.

 

[benn5712]

Yep, been wishing for some time the elite would piss off to a European league and give football the chance to be less manufactured by those with the fattest wallets.

Amen.

 

[BobblesBlade]

Bless him. Looks as distressed as i've ever seen him. Gotta feel for him.

How many of us on here could manage a football club? Particularly one that encapsulates your heart and soul and all the personal emotional investment that goes with it.

Whatever his flaws and mistakes(we all have and make them) he has my deepest admiration and respect.

I could manage Utd.
I’d change to 4- 4-2

Ramsdale
Baldock
stevens
Egan
O’Connell

Bogle
Fleck
Berge
Burke

Sharp
Brewster

Play wide down the wings cut in and get the strikers the space

No passing it round just direct forward attacking

Europe in no time

 

[Sean Thornton]

Oh dear that's just embarrassing.

Mourinho was hated at Manchester United then sacked. He had a justifiable reason to defend McTominay also from abuse.
Lennon is hated at Celtic and is going to be sacked.
Then the next example is Eastleigh, whose manager had to apologize, which Wilder never has done unless you think he should?
Klopp and Guardiola I'll give you, the exception proves the rule here.

It is for you, as usual, your claim was NO manager did it these days. Not, no manager does it unless he has a reason that suits you. Lennon facing the sack doesn’t change the fact that he crirlticised a section of the support. Jose criticised the fans at MU on more than one occasion. You said it didn’t happen. Relying on being hated

Wilder apologising? Poor swerve to try to change the point.

No one does it these days but the top two managers in the country do and you accept it. Marvellous.

Usual attempt at edginess, but fact free and with an edge that wouldn’t cut spreadable lurpack left out in the sun.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yep, been wishing for some time the elite would piss off to a European league and give football the chance to be less manufactured by those with the fattest wallets.

And not be allowed back when the shit hits the fan for them.

 

[FMBlade1]

It is for you, as usual, your claim was NO manager did it these days. Not, no manager does it unless he has a reason that suits you. Lennon facing the sack doesn’t change the fact that he crirlticised a section of the support. Jose criticised the fans at MU on more than one occasion. You said it didn’t happen. Relying on being hated

Wilder apologising? Poor swerve to try to change the point.

No one does it these days but the top two managers in the country do and you accept it. Marvellous.

Usual attempt at edginess, but fact free and with an edge that wouldn’t cut spreadable lurpack left out in the sun.

The exception proves the rule. The top two managers in the country are not top managers because they do it, because they are top managers they can afford to.

I don't know about you, but I'm not living in 2017. Mourinho is not manager of Manchester United these days.

You try to normalize managers criticizing fans, Lennon doing so is an example of it not exactly working and being conducive of anything positive.

I said it hardly ever happens and asked for people to provide examples, I didn't mean it literally did not happen anywhere in the world of football this year, surely you are clever enough to have deduced that

And no I don't think Wilder should apologize, but the fact the Eastleigh manager did showed that he felt it was out of order.

 

[MonmouthshireBlade]

I understand the criticism from the fans, I can't speak for all of us of course (although I don't see why not, I'm the best at forums) but for me it's simply a case of, I expected more effort this season than the players have put in, for whatever reason it just hasn't happened for us this season.

When I see the squad performing at their best I think we fully deserve to be in this league, unfortunately our position and fate is entirely down to us and that's honestly fine by me.

Wilder will get criticism considering his incredible record with us I think we were maybe too used to the guy working wonders. The man stays with the club as far as I'm concerned and I wouldn't want anyone else leading us in to next seasons battle.

I'd agree with all of what you say apart from the effort comment. That is something that the players have without doubt shown all season, and that is because we have Wilder in charge. With the exception of a handful of games, we have competed well. The main issue has been lack quality up front and decision making, with injuries, no fans, luck also playing a part. One of those seasons I'm afraid. Wilder has to stay for me...memories are short when a relegation comes along.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's a forum. People have opinions. Wilder is an employee of this football club, the club where he works would not exist without us. Yes abuse is unacceptable, but criticism is not.

And yes many of us saw this season coming. People get slagged off for being negative about the future, but when they are sadly proven right they can't state so without being seen as relishing it and being mardy.

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“This is something myself and a very small minority have been saying, if not whispering, on here since we got promoted”

Aug 2019 after first game.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Awful tactics, awful decisions and awful signings,

So absolutely reasonable to question the management of the team.

 

[FMBlade1]

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“This is something myself and a very small minority have been saying, if not whispering, on here since we got promoted”

Aug 2019 after first game.

Yes I was wrong about last season, delightfully and spectacularly so. I don't think anyone saw last season playing out as it did.

My point was that Championship and League 1 players would only take us so far. Sadly that prediction came to fruition this season.

I even said:

'If we do struggle badly all I hope is that we stick with Wilder no matter what.'

 

[Pedro Verde]

it's just irritating when people play the poster not the post.

Youre going all Pommpey

 

[Yoonited]

I could manage Utd.
I’d change to 4- 4-2

Ramsdale
Baldock
stevens
Egan
O’Connell

Bogle
Fleck
Berge
Burke

Sharp
Brewster

Play wide down the wings cut in and get the strikers the space

No passing it round just direct forward attacking

Europe in no time

So why aren't you?

There's alot more to it than formations and selections to be fair.

 

[Yoonited]

And not be allowed back when the shit hits the fan for them.

Absolutely. Takes balls for that Sean but have the FA got any

 

[Robboblade1889]

FMBlade1 what is that wilder said that has you so incensed? What is it he has said that no other manger dares to say? He called out a minority of idiots who think they know better than he does he called them PlayStation managers it’s not exactly calling them cretins is it?
Someone who sees the players train day in day out who sees what players are on it. That’s not to say he always makes the right decisions he’s said so himself. He made a throw away comment in an interview does it really bother you that much? Was it actually that bad he should come out and apologise for it?

 

[FMBlade1]

FMBlade1 what is that wilder said that has you so incensed? What is it he has said that no other manger dares to say? He called out a minority of idiots who think they know better than he does he called them PlayStation managers it’s not exactly calling them cretins is it?
Someone who sees the players train day in day out who sees what players are on it. That’s not to say he always makes the right decisions he’s said so himself. He made a throw away comment in an interview does it really bother you that much? Was it actually that bad he should come out and apologise for it?

It doesn't make me incensed, I just thought it was inappropriate and uncalled for. It was discussed here:

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.p...em-were-playing-youre-talking-nonsense.84522/

We are not in the stadium, he doesn't read social media so I don't know what and who is he referring to, and don't know why he felt the need to say it. I never except him to apologize for it either.

 

[BobblesBlade]

So why aren't you?

There's alot more to it than formations and selections to be fair.

To be honest with the amount of money splashing around I’d just want 1 season to prove myself. £1million contract. If I did well great. If rubbish I’d take a sacking.

I understand there is more to it so I’d look at training and look at small pitch training. 5a side for me. Gets players having to think and play quick

 

[Yoonited]

To be honest with the amount of money splashing around I’d just want 1 season to prove myself. £1million contract. If I did well great. If rubbish I’d take a sacking.

I understand there is more to it so I’d look at training and look at small pitch training. 5a side for me. Gets players having to think and play quick

I meant all that off the pitch stuff, dealing with players emotions, media, transfers,budgets to name a few. I'm not sure it's as simplistic as it looks.

 

[Robboblade1889]

So you had your own thread on it yet bring it up again. Did the comment he make which in my opinion was bang on really bother you that much? It would only bother you if you were one of the PlayStation managers he was talking about.
He has said many times there is a reason why only a tiny minority or people manage a football club or play football even less who do it at the top table.