blades finaly realise there loss off ...

[IOM Blade]

NW now has the perfect opportunity to ram it down McCabe's throat on national TV. Our game with QPR is now live on sky.

 

[DP8789]

i booked train tickets. 2 nights in a hotel and booked 2 days off work, i hate sky. this is utter bullshit.

 

[Rattly Noise]

Probably been said before (can't be bothered to look) but there's no guarantee that Warnock would have been so successful had he stayed. Same applies to players. Hundreds of different factors contribute to success or failure. Good luck to him and anyone else that leaves us (apart from when they play us or negatively effect our position in the league)

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Why is everybody acting like Warnock wrote the article himself? He's had SIX promotions and is currently well on his way to his SEVENTH. Is it just possible that a neutral journalist might think he's an good manager and Blades fan must regret him leaving? I know I do...

Are you suggesting that NW has better things to do than call up a journalist and say "if you're looking for something to write, how about an article that goes on about how United fans must be gutted I'm no longer manager?"? Don't be ridiculous. Yes, some might think that he's solely concentrating on keeping QPR's promotion bid intact, but in reality he's firing off copy for articles about himself to every journalist in the land. It's so obvious.

 

[lenners]

Warnock was such an amazing manager it took him seven years to get promotion which was only achieved when he was backed with a bit of money.
Any one of us on here could manage QPR to the top of the league with those resources.
United's real loss is in the quality of players, not particularly managers bar the obvious with Robson.
An average manager in Blackwell got the team to within a point of promotion because he had good players.
The real loss every fan can see is Walker, Naughton, Kilgallon, Kenny, Morgan (injured I know), Henderson (ditto), even Reid, short term though he was, and the rest.

 

[dkc Blade]

Agree. Following our promotion Warnock signed Lucketti, Hulse, Li Tie, Leigertwood, Sommeil, Davis, Nade and Bennett. It's no wonder we only lasted one season as Warnock was useless in the transfer market.

Yep, he's a great manager for the lower divisions, but has had 2 seasons in the top flght, with us and Notts County, and experienced two relegations.

I wouldn't have sacked him or accepted his resignation after the Wigan game. But maybe we should have considered paying him off during the summer after promotion to the Prem.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Warnock was such an amazing manager it took him seven years to get promotion which was only achieved when he was backed with a bit of money.
Any one of us on here could manage QPR to the top of the league with those resources.
United's real loss is in the quality of players, not particularly managers bar the obvious with Robson.
An average manager in Blackwell got the team to within a point of promotion because he had good players.
The real loss every fan can see is Walker, Naughton, Kilgallon, Kenny, Morgan (injured I know), Henderson (ditto), even Reid, short term though he was, and the rest.

It took Warnock only 2.5 years to build a United side good enough to reach 2 Semi Finals and a Play-Off Final. He did this while only spending money he generated himself and making an overall transfer profit.
The QPR Billionaires took over in August 2007 and went through NINE different unsuccessful managers before Warnock took over. It’s took him less than a year to take them from relegation-threatened to Champions-Elect.
Warnock signed or developed most of the good players you’re now bemoaning the loss off Kilgallon, Kenny, Morgan (+ Jagielka, Tonge, Hulse, Stead, Armstrong, Kazim-Richards etc) and the extra funds he generated (transfer profits and vastly increased attendances) helped to fund the Academy that produced Walker and Naughton.
The other five promotions he's achieved didn't happen by accident either.

 

[lenners]

It took Warnock only 2.5 years to build a United side good enough to reach 2 Semi Finals and a Play-Off Final. He did this while only spending money he generated himself and making an overall transfer profit.
The QPR Billionaires took over in August 2007 and went through NINE different unsuccessful managers before Warnock took over. It’s took him less than a year to take them from relegation-threatened to Champions-Elect.
Warnock signed or developed most of the good players you’re now bemoaning the loss off Kilgallon, Kenny, Morgan (+ Jagielka, Tonge, Hulse, Stead, Armstrong, Kazim-Richards etc) and the extra funds he generated (transfer profits and vastly increased attendances) helped to fund the Academy that produced Walker and Naughton.
The other five promotions he's achieved didn't happen by accident either.

I think Neil Warnock was appointed in 1999, the play-off season was in 2003.
Look at the desperate quality of the Championship, Norwich and Leeds are in the top six, Norwich were second recently, a chimp ought to get QPR promoted as champions.
I don't doubt he bought some good players, even Robson did that.
Blackwell managed to bring through Walker and Naughton, probably more by luck than judgement (with Naughton anyway).
But the biggest handicap United have created for themselves is the persistent drain of quality players and the revolving door of signings, particularly loanings.
Nothing to do with whichever manager has been at the helm.
Our problems have come from the top of our club, not the departure of Neil Warnock.

 

[Rudders]

Also, Utd have had abysmal 'luck' with injuries ever since Blackwell was appointed. We have spent large parts of seasons without key players like our club captain and talisman striker. Although I suspect this has something to do with the type of players we have had and their training.

Another mistake has been the continual signing of crocked players or players with poor fitness records. Do we do medicals?

A further mistake was the unbalanced nature of the squad and the continual failure to address key areas (centrebacks/pace/wingers/target man). We have 4 poor right backs, 1 unfit left back and 3 defensive midfielders, no left midfield or winger and an out of form Yeates. We have a want-away Ward who only seems to perform 'in the hole' which is a position we rarely use and strikers with no confidence.

Its a perfect storm. If Adams keeps us up he wants a knighthood.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Look at the desperate quality of the Championship, Norwich and Leeds are in the top six, Norwich were second recently, a chimp ought to get QPR promoted as champions.

Have you actually had a look at the team that QPR have been putting out? With the exception of Taarabt, in terms of quality it's practically on a par with the Palace team he got to the playoffs the other year if you compare the two starting XIs. Cardiff have by far a better team and squad, led by someone many on here consider to be a better manager, and yet they haven't run away with it, and are scrapping with Forest and Leeds for 2nd.

Warnock has spent money, but he's hardly gone crazy. It's actually transpired to around a million for Taarabt (who few were willing to touch with a barge pole because of his attitude issues at Spurs), Jamie Mackie for £150k (an absolute steal, akin to Darren Ambrose on a free the previous summer), £1.5 million on Tommy Smith (excellent at this level), Derry and Hill for free, Paddy for 750k, Hulse on an undisclosed fee. Very wisely spent indeed, and he's used the loan market intelligently too.

 

[JJ Sefton]

I think Neil Warnock was appointed in 1999, the play-off season was in 2003.

Warnock was appointed in December 1999 and the season Sothall referred to, the Triple Assault season, actually began in 2002, in August, so Sothall is only a couple of months out.

 

[Micalijo]

I think Neil Warnock was appointed in 1999, the play-off season was in 2003.
Look at the desperate quality of the Championship, Norwich and Leeds are in the top six, Norwich were second recently, a chimp ought to get QPR promoted as champions.
I don't doubt he bought some good players, even Robson did that.
Blackwell managed to bring through Walker and Naughton, probably more by luck than judgement (with Naughton anyway).
But the biggest handicap United have created for themselves is the persistent drain of quality players and the revolving door of signings, particularly loanings.
Nothing to do with whichever manager has been at the helm.
Our problems have come from the top of our club, not the departure of Neil Warnock.

Surely Blackwell has enough wedge available to him to sign a few centre-halfs and a couple of pacey, athletic players. If he had there's every chance as you say we would have been competitive.

Not sure why you are so bitter towards a manager who must have given you loads of very happy memories which to all intents and purposes we may never taste again. Totally beyond me.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Not sure why you are so bitter towards a manager who must have given you loads of very happy memories which to all intents and purposes we may never taste again. Totally beyond me.

Thats where youre wrong. We did well under Warnock which made lenners miserable.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I think Neil Warnock was appointed in 1999, the play-off season was in 2003.
Look at the desperate quality of the Championship, Norwich and Leeds are in the top six, Norwich were second recently, a chimp ought to get QPR promoted as champions.
I don't doubt he bought some good players, even Robson did that.
Blackwell managed to bring through Walker and Naughton, probably more by luck than judgement (with Naughton anyway).
But the biggest handicap United have created for themselves is the persistent drain of quality players and the revolving door of signings, particularly loanings.
Nothing to do with whichever manager has been at the helm.
Our problems have come from the top of our club, not the departure of Neil Warnock.

Warnock was appointed in December 1999 and by August 2002 he had built the team which reached Two Semi Finals and The Play-Off finals (i.e. 2.5 years as I said!).
Warnock also had to cope with the "persistent drain" of his most highly-prized players. In his first few years alone, he was forced or chose to sell Smith, Bent, W.Quinn, Woodhouse and Derry for large fees. A lot of the money he raised was diverted away from the first team into the establishment of The Academy which was for the long-term benefit of the club.
Warnock tended to use the loan system shrewdly and as it should be used I.e. short-term signings to plug gaps with a view to long-term deals if successful (e.g. Brown, Harley).
He could have relied on loan players like Blackwell CHOSE to but didn't. He used the funds to build a solid foundation of permanent players instead.
When he was finally given some money to spend he got us promoted. Other Blades managers have had many more resources than Warnock and still failed to get us in the top two promotion places (Kendall, Spackman, Robson, Blackwell).

 

[lenners]

Thats where youre wrong. We did well under Warnock which made lenners miserable.

Some selective memories being applied to what we witnessed under Warnock's 7 years in the Championship.
But it does underline how far Unitedites expectations have fallen in recent years.
A club in one of the country's biggest cities has done well spending 7 years in the Championship under one manager before getting promoted.
Part of the cultural problem accepting under-achievement that has become endemic at the Lane.

 

[Tuns]

No doubt someone will prove me wrong with a long list but how many managers in the modern era have been given 7 years with one club outside the top flight with serious ambitions of getting out of that league, excluding Gradi.

He should have been sacked after we finally got promotion - many of us knew he'd be out if his depth but I appreciate it was impossible for McCabe to sack him then even if he knew what was coming.

Yes he gave us some great times and yes he rewarded our remarkable loyalty and patience by trying to walk out on us to Portsmouth at a crucial stage in our season and he now refers to us as Sheffield.

 

[Micalijo]

No doubt someone will prove me wrong with a long list but how many managers in the modern era have been given 7 years with one club outside the top flight with serious ambitions of getting out of that league, excluding Gradi.

He should have been sacked after we finally got promotion - many of us knew he'd be out if his depth but I appreciate it was impossible for McCabe to sack him then even if he knew what was coming.

Yes he gave us some great times and yes he rewarded our remarkable loyalty and patience by trying to walk out on us to Portsmouth at a crucial stage in our season and he now refers to us as Sheffield.

Holy Jesus. 'Out of his depth'? 38 points and robbed. Hull stayed up with 34 so I assume you see Brown as a genius type.

If we'd got 25 points then I'd agree with you but I just find your line of argument incredible.

 

[JohnDenver]

Warnock has spent money, but he's hardly gone crazy. It's actually transpired to around a million for Taarabt (who few were willing to touch with a barge pole because of his attitude issues at Spurs), Jamie Mackie for £150k (an absolute steal, akin to Darren Ambrose on a free the previous summer), £1.5 million on Tommy Smith (excellent at this level), Derry and Hill for free, Paddy for 750k, Hulse on an undisclosed fee. Very wisely spent indeed, and he's used the loan market intelligently too.

Shrewd buys indeed, but all those players execept perhaps Mackie are beyond us these days. It's not disimilar expenditure to when Warnock got us promoted, which shows what a consistently good manager he has been. It also seems he learned from the utterly ridiculous splurge he had in January '06 which nearly costs us everything.

As for us, we're genuinely back to where we were when Warnock arrived, but possibly even worse as he had saleable assets.

 

[lenners]

I don't know how long Warnock's been a manager but he's spent two seasons in the top flight, both of which ended in relegation.

 

[JohnDenver]

I don't know how long Warnock's been a manager but he's spent two seasons in the top flight, both of which ended in relegation.

But he turned down Chelsea. Which makes him better than Mourinho. Or something.

 

[ghandi]

Warnock was appointed in December 1999 and by August 2002 he had built the team which reached Two Semi Finals and The Play-Off finals (i.e. 2.5 years as I said!).
Warnock also had to cope with the "persistent drain" of his most highly-prized players. In his first few years alone, he was forced or chose to sell Smith, Bent, W.Quinn, Woodhouse and Derry for large fees. A lot of the money he raised was diverted away from the first team into the establishment of The Academy which was for the long-term benefit of the club.
Warnock tended to use the loan system shrewdly and as it should be used I.e. short-term signings to plug gaps with a view to long-term deals if successful (e.g. Brown, Harley).
He could have relied on loan players like Blackwell and Speed CHOSE to but didn't. He used the funds to build a solid foundation of permanent players instead.
When he was finally given some money to spend he got us promoted. Other Blades managers have had many more resources than Warnock and still failed to get us in the top two promotion places (Kendall, Spackman, Robson, Blackwell).

Spackman resources you're having a laugh ....Fjortoft, Deane and Graham Stuart sold by the board without consulting him and he showed his bottle by telling them to stick it.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Spackman resources you're having a laugh ....Fjortoft, Deane and Graham Stuart sold by the board without consulting him and he showed his bottle by telling them to stick it.

Yes, you're right I have a massive amount of sympathy for Spackman but my comment was carefully worded. I said he had far more resources than Warnock (i.e. players like Deane, Fjortoft, Taylor, Whitehouse, Tiler, Saunders, Stuart, Hutchison, McGrath) but failed to get us in the top two. I believe we were about 4th or 5th by the time Deane and Fjortoft were sold, so I stand by my statement. I thought Spackman and his style of football was great but I suspect Warnock would have got us in the top two with the same players, therefore kept MacDonald happy and maybe avoided the firesale. Who knows?

 

[lenners]

But he turned down Chelsea. Which makes him better than Mourinho. Or something.

Aye, weren't Chelsea in desperate straits back then.

 

[Robbie]

No doubt someone will prove me wrong with a long list but how many managers in the modern era have been given 7 years with one club outside the top flight with serious ambitions of getting out of that league, excluding Gradi..

What's your point exactly?

Warnock was ideal for this club at that, we always mounted a decent promotion push, didn't over spend, sold on various prospects and he was on a low wage in comparison to his peers.

Yes he gave us some great times and yes he rewarded our remarkable loyalty and patience by trying to walk out on us to Portsmouth at a crucial stage in our season.

If he 'tried' to walk out, he would have. But heturned down a pay increase and stayed with us.

It may have been at a crucial stage of the season, but did it hurt us?
Did he decide when Portsmouth sacked their manager?

 

[Rudders]

Aye, weren't Chelsea in desperate straits back then.

Utd managed bigger average attendances than Chelsea in 92/93 and 93/94 even in the course of being relegated. Chelsea are a pathetic club now rammed full of glory seeking plastic fans. Same goes for Man City. Warnock would have been in his element.

If only boardroom power matched fans loyalty?

 

[lenners]

What's your point exactly?

Warnock was ideal for this club at that, we always mounted a decent promotion push, didn't over spend, sold on various prospects and he was on a low wage in comparison to his peers.


If he 'tried' to walk out, he would have. But heturned down a pay increase and stayed with us.

It may have been at a crucial stage of the season, but did it hurt us?
Did he decide when Portsmouth sacked their manager?

The whole Pompey episode was funny and without doubt helped McCabe decide Warnock's time was up when we got relegated in the week he decided his own contract situation was more important than the club's most critical game of the season.
Neil Warnock's loyalty is to Neil Warnock.
He is no longer our manager and has since managed another club before QPR who he walked out on.
Our troubles now have nothing to do with Neil Warnock and everything to do with the failure of leadership at the top of our club and more recently the absence of any leadership at the top of our club.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Spackman resources you're having a laugh ....Fjortoft, Deane and Graham Stuart sold by the board without consulting him and he showed his bottle by telling them to stick it.

Stuart was sold by Steve Bruce around the same time that David Holdsworth was sold, the season after Spackman. It was only the Deane/JAF signings that happened against his will (Don Hutchison for example wasn't first choice for example). What an error it was to not cash in on Gareth Taylor when we had the chance....

 

[HappyBlade]

I agree with the last two words utter bullshit. This is obviously quoted from Warnock who is doing I told you so article especially as there is another Blade in charge.
He said when he was manager that we would not realise what we had until he had gone. So those words are being used again. Strangely.
A lot of people on this site - the less ranting site and therefore considered - forget the manner in which he left.

He tried to bribe the board into keeping him by offering an ultimatum before the most crucial match since we were last relegated from the prem against Chelsea. He even told the players he was not bothered what they did before they walked out on the pitch for the Wigan game and police had to be brought in to seperate Kazim Richards from his throat after he had said this. He claims he is a committed blade in his dream job?

Sean Bean resigned because of his behaviour and fair enough, but Warnock let down 25,000 people with his antics and then has the cheek to do a "I told you so" through a thinly disguised article through the Mirror. What Niel is scared of is Mickey being ultimately successful. If he keeps us up this year he has done, Warnock knows that if we stay up Mickey will turn us around over the next few seasons and Warnock will be forgotten as the Blades supporting manager who took us to the prem.

Good riddence to so called Blades who use the club purely for their own ends - I include Billy in that, he didn't have the dignity that Kyle Walker showed especially as the fans he was delirious in front of had been slagging his "beloved" team throughout the match.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

He even told the players he was not bothered what they did before they walked out on the pitch for the Wigan game and police had to be brought in to seperate Kazim Richards from his throat after he had said this.

No offence but this story doesn't sound very realistic to me. Who is your source? Why isn't it widely known and talked about if true?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Sean Bean resigned because of his behaviour and fair enough, but Warnock let down 25,000 people with his antics and then has the cheek to do a "I told you so" through a thinly disguised article through the Mirror. What Niel is scared of is Mickey being ultimately successful. If he keeps us up this year he has done, Warnock knows that if we stay up Mickey will turn us around over the next few seasons and Warnock will be forgotten as the Blades supporting manager who took us to the prem.

Hilarious.