Outgoing? Mousset?

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Well one thing I hope Nixon is right about is the 50% wage cuts. That actually gives me some comfort as i was afraid of us being bled dry by older players on unsustainable contracts that would have been 'unshiftable' from the wage bill.

Their wages either drop and we use the ones we want or they go and we bring some younger players in with something to prove.
 

You can't get away from Lys' inability to do 90 minutes.

Looking at Transfermart as the source.

In 2019/20
Started 11 matches. Least minutes completed 46. Most mins completed 87. Average minutes completed when starting 67 mins.
sub for 19 matches. Least minutes completed 10. Most mins completed 45. Average minutes completed when sub 26 mins.
1,232 minutes played, 6 goals, 4 assists. 205 minutes per goal.

So his goal output in terms of minutes is very good. But the fact he started 11 out of 38 league games tells its own story.

He has all the attributes, strength, pace, height to be a great player. His assist vs Man U and then goal last season showed what he can be.

In 2020/21
2 starts. 4 sub appearances. Starts were 61 and 63 minutes. Sub appearances around 19 minutes apiece.

I'm really torn personally on Lys. If you can get him out on the field, he's a definite asset. He's more accomplished than say Brewster at this point. Along with Burke, he represents pace at the top of the pitch and unlike Burke, he has a very good finish on him.

He's got 18 months left on his contract. His value goes down therefore from the end of this window, unless he has a purple patch from now until the end.

Toss of a coin for me. We could keep him on and him fail to contribute much or he could force his way in and win us some matches. After 18 months, I've no idea which Mousse will be there for us.

But what does Chris think? Constantly unfit/unavailable, bit of a headache with the car crash. I wonder if he fancies cutting his losses.

Shame if he does leave with the promise unfulfilled but he's not been a key player this year at all.
 
LondonBlade89 said:
That’s true but he was only contributing at that level for a short period of time. He’s not come anywhere close to that since and still now doesn’t seem anywhere near it. I’ve never been one to single him out for criticism, and I don’t even really mean to here. But I just think it would be wrong to expect anything more from him beyond the odd spell where he’s very good. Of course if no one is in for him, this is all moot. But if we’ve got someone offering decent money for him, I’d sooner we take it than just hope he’ll suddenly become something he’s not (ie. someone who can contribute at a high level consistently).
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On the other hand if he contributes at that level again, even for a short time, it could make the difference between us making the great escape or not. People make the argument that he isn't worth keeping because he doesn't play much, but if in the time he does play he's better than all our other strikers, even when they play for twice the length of time, why would we get rid of him? It doesn't make any sense. If we had strikers firing regularly, fine. If we could guarantee that we could take the money and buy a replacement who would score goals, fine. But as it is, he's here, we know what he can do, there isn't another striker at the club who by right of performance can keep him out and there is little chance selling him will mean someone better will come in.
 
He may currently be worth less than half what we paid for him (I’m guessing. Finger in the wind stuff). But if that’s the case, we would’t lose much by hanging on to him until next January?

Case for keeping him until January 2022: we know what he’s capable of; we can all guess what‘s held him back over the last 18 months, but none of us really know, and he might be fixable; if he’s fixable, there’s a possibility that his best can become his normal, especially in the Champ; in which case there’s every chance we’d rip it up and be promoted by March.

Case against: the case for is stacked with “ifs” and “maybes”; his time with Bournemouth and us looks like a pattern, and he’s not fixable, not by us anyhow; if we sell him before next January, receiving even half what we paid might help us sign someone more reliable; fuck it, he’s taking the piss, we’ve had enough.

In short. Gimme inspiration and flair over reliability, any day. Except when we need a striker we can rely on. 🤷‍♂️

On balance, sell.

Though I’m open to persuasion.
 
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I would sell Mousset in a heartbeat. Didzy puts him to shame with both application and effort and I for one would move him on wether we get our money back or not. As said earlier, all told he has performed well in maybe 5 games, nowhere near enough for a ‘talented’ player. Would free up money for a player who might give a damn and show some gratitude for the faith showed in them.
 
Hamburg Blade said:
On the other hand if he contributes at that level again, even for a short time, it could make the difference between us making the great escape or not. People make the argument that he isn't worth keeping because he doesn't play much, but if in the time he does play he's better than all our other strikers, even when they play for twice the length of time, why would we get rid of him? It doesn't make any sense. If we had strikers firing regularly, fine. If we could guarantee that we could take the money and buy a replacement who would score goals, fine. But as it is, he's here, we know what he can do, there isn't another striker at the club who by right of performance can keep him out and there is little chance selling him will mean someone better will come in.
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I’m presuming we wouldn’t get good money for him in Jan. Talking end of the season.
 
If we don’t get 50 - 75% of our money back hang on to him in the hope that we can sort his head out. But he would have to be at least on the bench or the money would be better spent in a midfield player
 
I would accept owt we can get for this clown. He is a "professional " footballer who isn't fit enough to last more than 60 mins. How he ever passed Wilders character test, I will never know. He is sixth choice behind some very average players (by premier league standards).
 
Sure he’s a nice lad and all but...time to move him on. Can’t get fit for the PL so he’s not going to fare any better with next seasons Championship schedule and all that entails.
 

i think its very unlikely that mousset will still be here for the start of next season
 
Silent Blade said:
Cant imagine him enjoying the food in Russia?
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He reminds me of Nade we couldnt get him fit ! Ended up in scottish football another player who wasted his talent.
Does seem a trait in some french strikers which we seem to sign with the promise of being really top notch but sadly havnt got the drive or even the ability to get fit for first team premiership football.
Would be nice for Mousset to prove me wrong ,I very much doubt he will
 
He has all of the physical attributes to be a world class professional footballer, unfortunately for us and himself, when it comes to the required mental attributes, he doesn't possess one.

Been superb in glimpses, but far too infrequent and totally unreliable. When he’s 40 and just starting to grow up a bit. I imagine he’ll look back upon his career, with a huge dollop of regret. I’m sure he’s a nice kid, but he’s also a fucking idiot and we need to cut our losses, if someone wants him I’d snatch their hand off.
 
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SUFCinks said:
Would be annoyed to see Moose go, our best striker (apart from didzy who is more of a 10) more ability and spark than the rest. We need more players of his unpredictable nature at the top of the pitch, not less.
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One thing is predictable, after 2/3 sprints his game is over.
 
LondonBlade89 said:
Best we can hope on Mousse is he gets back to fitness, scores a couple of goals and we convince someone he’s worth £8-10 million. We need to stop kidding ourselves that he’s ever going to be anything more than what we know - a physically gifted player who doesn’t have the application to make himself a consistently good contributor at the highest level.
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Percent description, unfortunately.
 
FriethBlade said:
Well one thing I hope Nixon is right about is the 50% wage cuts. That actually gives me some comfort as i was afraid of us being bled dry by older players on unsustainable contracts that would have been 'unshiftable' from the wage bill.

Their wages either drop and we use the ones we want or they go and we bring some younger players in with something to prove.
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I think a 50% cut is fairly standard when relegated from the premier league.
 
1889 said:
He has all of the physical attributes to be a world class professional footballer, unfortunately for us and himself, when it comes to the required mental attributes, he doesn't possess one.

Been superb in glimpses, but far too infrequent and totally unreliable. When he’s 40 and just starting to grow up a bit. I imagine he’ll look back upon his career, with a huge dollop of regret. I’m sure he’s a nice kid, but he’s also a fucking idiot and we need to cut our losses, if someone wants him I’d snatch their hand off.
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Couldn’t have put it better myself
 
alcoblade said:
I think a 50% cut is fairly standard when relegated from the premier league.
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Widely reported that all of Uniteds latest contract offers included a wage reduction in line with championship salaries if we were to be relegated.
Other clubs have not been so prudent and do not include such a clause. This works two ways as whilst costing them money in the event of relegation it also enabled them to sign better quality players.
it was fir instance widely reported that Bowen signed for West Ham on £65k / week but the main reason he signed fir them as opposed to another unnamed club was that he would not lose money if they were to be relegated.
The more you look at transfer dealings the more it is like playing poker at a very high roller casino.

Chansiri has fir instance rolled his dice in a game of which he has no experience and it has cost him. Wilder had lots of experience, backed by fiscal common sense and walked away with the prize. The problem being that to take the next step you need more money which is achieved by more investment a d more gambling or bouncing up and down between the championship and the premiership. Like all
Forms of gambling a lot of luck is also v helpful
 
Hamburg Blade said:
On the other hand if he contributes at that level again, even for a short time, it could make the difference between us making the great escape or not. People make the argument that he isn't worth keeping because he doesn't play much, but if in the time he does play he's better than all our other strikers, even when they play for twice the length of time, why would we get rid of him? It doesn't make any sense. If we had strikers firing regularly, fine. If we could guarantee that we could take the money and buy a replacement who would score goals, fine. But as it is, he's here, we know what he can do, there isn't another striker at the club who by right of performance can keep him out and there is little chance selling him will mean someone better will come in.
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Can not agree with you mate ,He has become a real problem not just because he can not go 90 mins he has become a problem off the pitch to along with the fact he has not been available for 2 thirds if not more of our matches because he keeps putting sick notes in. Time to cut our losses I think.He will not contribute anything to our battle with relegation on the treatment table .
 

If we do get relegated God knows how he will cope having to play two games a week he can't manage one game a bloody month.
 
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