Ramsdale

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

£40Million on Brewster?!

Brewster and Ramsdale

 

[ancientblade]

We could have sourced a capable keeper for a fraction of what we paid for Ramsdale.
I’ve stuck up for him on here but a the moment he’s shot.
He’s has flaws that needs working on he needs a good pre season

what he needs is genuine competition theres nobody good enough to push him for his place

 

[Espania blade]

Did anyone watch the Liverpool v Man' U game yesterday ?
Did anyone notice Liverpools second goal go through Hendersons legs ?
Does that make Henderson a rubbish goalie ?

Just saying ......for all the Ramsdale knockers

 

[Ernest]

Did anyone watch the Liverpool v Man' U game yesterday ?
Did anyone notice Liverpools second goal go through Hendersons legs ?
Does that make Henderson a rubbish goalie ?

Just saying ......for all the Ramsdale knockers

Every ‘keeper makes mistakes now and then, even Henderson. He dropped a few clangers for us but he made so many crucial saves to gain us vital points.

Unfortunately, Ramsdale is making errors in pretty much every game we play and isn’t making any match-winning saves.

 

[Espania blade]

Every ‘keeper makes mistakes now and then, even Henderson. He dropped a few clangers for us but he made so many crucial saves to gain us vital points.

Unfortunately, Ramsdale is making errors in pretty much every game we play and isn’t making any match-winning saves.

Don't know how many matches you have watched but he has made some great saves for us - and i will say again, he is playing behind a dreadful defence.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Did anyone watch the Liverpool v Man' U game yesterday ?
Did anyone notice Liverpools second goal go through Hendersons legs ?
Does that make Henderson a rubbish goalie ?

Just saying ......for all the Ramsdale knockers

Gonna stick up for Hendo here as part of the goalkeepers union, but when someone smashes a ball at you from 7 yards and you're spreading yourself trying to save it, there's nothing you can do when it goes through your legs. No blame from me.

 

[Winthorpe Blades]

Another Ex GK here hardest shot to save is the one right down at your feet

 

[Ernest]

Don't know how many matches you have watched but he has made some great saves for us - and i will say again, he is playing behind a dreadful defence.

I’ve watched them all, as I did before Covid-19 and I can count far more errors he’s made over the number of “great saves” you seem to have witnessed.

Ah, the ‘dreadful defence’ remark crops up again. It wasn’t dreadful last year, or the year before that, was it? Yes, O’Connell is a huge loss but it’s not him who is conceding feeble efforts most games, or dropping simple crosses.

The defence looks ‘dreadful’ because they’ve got a bloke behind them who is poor compared with the ‘keeper they played with previously.

 

[Lane Ender]

what he needs is genuine competition theres nobody good enough to push him for his place

That’s a good point but the coach and himself need to work on his weaknesses ie dominance of the 6 yard and ground shots to his left hand side, distribution
Should he be having these problems having spent a lump on him it’s worrying

 

[nicksufc]

Defended Ramsdale up until this point but enough is enough. He is making at least one error every single match now. Take him out of the firing line for his own sake. There is absolutely no way Verrips or Foderingham could do any worse.

 

[ATL Recs]

I’ve watched them all, as I did before Covid-19 and I can count far more errors he’s made over the number of “great saves” you seem to have witnessed.

Ah, the ‘dreadful defence’ remark crops up again. It wasn’t dreadful last year, or the year before that, was it? Yes, O’Connell is a huge loss but it’s not him who is conceding feeble efforts most games, or dropping simple crosses.

The defence looks ‘dreadful’ because they’ve got a bloke behind them who is poor compared with the ‘keeper they played with previously.

It got dreadful after Lockdown 1, though JOC was injured or playing carrying an injury

 

[Kop sufferer]

Whatever your opinion is on Ramsdale, take him out of the equation for a 2 match suspension or God forbid, an injury and on. a Premiership basis alone, experience in the ranks looks very very thin on the ground

 

[BettingBlade]

Did anyone watch the Liverpool v Man' U game yesterday ?
Did anyone notice Liverpools second goal go through Hendersons legs ?
Does that make Henderson a rubbish goalie ?

Just saying ......for all the Ramsdale knockers

It’s not in the slightest bit comparable to some of the bollocks Ramsdale has dropped this season.

 

[mattbianco1]

I really, really want to like Ramsdale. I want him to be a long standing GK for us and a club legend. However, i'm finding it extremely difficult to.

The thing with him for me is his concentration and/or positioning. At least once a game he ends up sat on the floor with absolutely no idea where the ball is. I think he's gotten away with all of them, but it gives me absolutely no confidence whatsoever.

Arsenal's first goal. He's ended up trying to stop the cross and in a poor position for Saka to aim at 75% of the goal.


Leeds goal. Sent the wrong way with a header


Even our goal against Bournemouth last season. How do you even get in that position as a GK?


He reminds me of kids in the playground - he seems to want to come for every ball. But then it seems our defenders would rather try and win it to stop that happening. This then leads to weak/poor headed clearances which fall to the opposition and put us under more pressure - Southampton's 1st goal comes to mind.

Here's one he got away with, this was v Leicester, he came for a routine catch and ended up getting away with it after dropping the ball:



Bogle's chest back v Newcastle. Why has he come to that position? (kid in a playground).




It's like he was trying to intercept the ball from #16 despite it clearly going towards Bogle. It's barely going to make it into the area, therefore it isn't his responsibility. If Bogle fucks it up, it's on him.



As I say, i'm trying to like him and not be harsh on the lad. But currently, he scares the shit out of me

 

[N20 Blade]

Don't know how many matches you have watched but he has made some great saves for us - and i will say again, he is playing behind a dreadful defence.

Is the defence dreadful due to some extent to who is behind them? Top keepers exude confidence and that transmits to the defence in front of them.
I remember Tracey did the same when he took over from Benstead years ago. Suddenly the defence knew the goalkeeper would be taking authority in the box, especially with crosses.
Ramsdale is part of the overall problem IMO certainly not the solution.

 

[ancientblade]

That’s a good point but the coach and himself need to work on his weaknesses ie dominance of the 6 yard and ground shots to his left hand side, distribution
Should he be having these problems having spent a lump on him it’s worrying

weve got 5 other keepers and none of them are gonna put pressure on rammy this is one of our problems we need another keeper in that is going to challenge ramsdale next season let 3 of the other 5 go

 

[BettingBlade]

I really, really want to like Ramsdale. I want him to be a long standing GK for us and a club legend. However, i'm finding it extremely difficult to.

The thing with him for me is his concentration and/or positioning. At least once a game he ends up sat on the floor with absolutely no idea where the ball is. I think he's gotten away with all of them, but it gives me absolutely no confidence whatsoever.

Arsenal's first goal. He's ended up trying to stop the cross and in a poor position for Saka to aim at 75% of the goal.
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Leeds goal. Sent the wrong way with a header
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Even our goal against Bournemouth last season. How do you even get in that position as a GK?
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He reminds me of kids in the playground - he seems to want to come for every ball. But then it seems our defenders would rather try and win it to stop that happening. This then leads to weak/poor headed clearances which fall to the opposition and put us under more pressure - Southampton's 1st goal comes to mind.

Here's one he got away with, this was v Leicester, he came for a routine catch and ended up getting away with it after dropping the ball:

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Bogle's chest back v Newcastle. Why has he come to that position? (kid in a playground).
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It's like he was trying to intercept the ball from #16 despite it clearly going towards Bogle. It's barely going to make it into the area, therefore it isn't his responsibility. If Bogle fucks it up, it's on him.

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As I say, i'm trying to like him and not be harsh on the lad. But currently, he scares the shit out of me

Just on the last one, I was always told as a keeper that when asking for a back pass come out of the direction of the goal mouth as it reduces the risk of the ball bobbling or a dodgy pass ending up in the back of the net. So basically, worst case scenario it’s a corner unless it’s woefully wayward.

The caveat to that is that the defenders should also be aware of where I was going to be in that situation. It’s clearly a bit of miscommunication however Ramsdale appears to be shouting for that while he’s still moving out wide. Bogle has to watch the ball and be aware of where Rammers is. I can only think at the last glance Bogle sees Rammers in a more central position, by the time the ball comes Rammers has moved further wide.

 

[metalblade]

Just on the last one, I was always told as a keeper that when asking for a back pass come out of the direction of the goal mouth as it reduces the risk of the ball bobbling or a dodgy pass ending up in the back of the net. So basically, worst case scenario it’s a corner unless it’s woefully wayward.

The caveat to that is that the defenders should also be aware of where I was going to be in that situation. It’s clearly a bit of miscommunication however Ramsdale appears to be shouting for that while he’s still moving out wide. Bogle has to watch the ball and be aware of where Rammers is. I can only think at the last glance Bogle sees Rammers in a more central position, by the time the ball comes Rammers has moved further wide.

No no no no. It was always down to the defender when playing a ball back to the keeper to aim it wide of the goal, the goal keeper's priority is to defend his goal first and foremost, Ramsdale didn't against Newcastle lucky for him that Bogle got it wide of the goal if only just. End of the day it was a ball he had no right to come out for, he stays in his goal and there is no danger. If a keeper comes out wide of the goal that dodgy back pass rolls into an empty net.

 

[mattbianco1]

Just on the last one, I was always told as a keeper that when asking for a back pass come out of the direction of the goal mouth as it reduces the risk of the ball bobbling or a dodgy pass ending up in the back of the net. So basically, worst case scenario it’s a corner unless it’s woefully wayward.

The caveat to that is that the defenders should also be aware of where I was going to be in that situation. It’s clearly a bit of miscommunication however Ramsdale appears to be shouting for that while he’s still moving out wide. Bogle has to watch the ball and be aware of where Rammers is. I can only think at the last glance Bogle sees Rammers in a more central position, by the time the ball comes Rammers has moved further wide.

No no no no. It was always down to the defender when playing a ball back to the keeper to aim it wide of the goal, the goal keeper's priority is to defend his goal first and foremost, Ramsdale didn't against Newcastle lucky for him that Bogle got it wide of the goal if only just. End of the day it was a ball he had no right to come out for, he stays in his goal and there is no danger. If a keeper comes out wide of the goal that dodgy back pass rolls into an empty net.

I agree with both of you. If indeed Ramsdale was asking for a backpass, yes it should go to the right of the goal, which it actually did...

But I agree with Metal too - no way should Ramsdale be that far away from his goal when the ball isn't even reaching the area.

 

[BettingBlade]

I agree with both of you. If indeed Ramsdale was asking for a backpass, yes it should go to the right of the goal, which it actually did...

But I agree with Metal too - no way should Ramsdale be that far away from his goal when the ball isn't even reaching the area.

I agree in that situation tbf that Ramsdale should have stayed at home and let Bogle deal with the situation. My point was kind of me trying to understand the thought process of both players in that scenario, but for me as a keeper I’d be keeping well out of that situation.

If a player his facing his own goal and has the ball at his feet, it’s much easier for a pass back to be dealt with wide of the goal.

In the Newcastle situation, Ramsdale has to be giving a shout to Bogle to let him know how to deal with it. If Ramsdale wants it let him know and make sure you’re on your toes to go and collect it, if he doesn’t want it he’s got to be shouting for Bogle to get rid. What he shouldn’t be doing is making a movement first and then giving the shout because by the time he’s out, Bogle is getting ready to deal with the situation and Ramsdale is in no mans land.

 

[Balham]

Gonna stick up for Hendo here as part of the goalkeepers union, but when someone smashes a ball at you from 7 yards and you're spreading yourself trying to save it, there's nothing you can do when it goes through your legs. No blame from me.

Bigger question for me about Alisson's attempts to save Rashford's shot which was far more reminiscent of our current #1.

 

[Espania blade]

I remember Ron Springett (yep, i used to go and watch them!) he mostly was known for staying rooted to his goal line, rarely came out, kept the attacking player guessing as to what he might do - come out, or stay on his line, it often put the attacking player in two minds as where to put the ball - also his defenders would always know where he was (or likely to be).
Just another way i suppose - point is they are all different, they all have a weakness or two and they all have their strengths,
I think Rammy isn't a bad shot stopper overall, he's made a number of saves that fit in the category of "great saves" from commentators comments.

 

[adebo]

He is the best we have, and slagging him off constantly some before he even pulled on a blades shirt is shameful, I don't think he has been as bad as many have made him out to be. He is our first choice and we need to support him, surely even the most unenlightened can see hammering a kid with fragile confidence is not going to help anything

 

[BushBlade]

He is the best we have, and slagging him off constantly some before he even pulled on a blades shirt is shameful, I don't think he has been as bad as many have made him out to be. He is our first choice and we need to support him, surely even the most unenlightened can see hammering a kid with fragile confidence is not going to help anything

If he’d done well there’d be loads of posts about how we shouldn’t have sold him to Bournemouth in the first place and a load more about how it’s only a matter of time before we sell him to Chelsea. Either way, someone will be able to use the phrase “had our pants down”.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I was going to start a separate thread given the negativity throughout this one, however Rammers has put himself forward for media duties prior to the Man Utd game.
He’s taking a lot of flack at the moment, some of it fair, most of it not, but he’s clearly got balls of steel and isn’t shying away from it.
He’ll definitely get stick for doing it, and plenty of hilarious comments where his words will be taken, mocked and twisted but he’s out there front and centre. He’s clearly quite emotional about it and honest but understands it and seems very mature. Good man Rammers!

 

[Carlton Blade]

Nobody wants him to fail on a personal level. Young lad, United fan, seems like a genuinely nice lad.

But he's started on a mediocre level and he's getting worse almost every week. He seems slow to react to danger and he has virtually zero spring in his dives. His kicking and handling were exemplary for the first 10 games but even they have gone to pot now.

As it stands, I'm not sure he is showing a single attribute that you would want in a top level goalkeeper.

All these things come before the fee is even mentioned. The opportunity cost of spending so much of the budget on a keeper is being felt all over the squad (same with the Brewster investment). For better or worse, he is the main symbol in the playing squad of the utter failure of this specific season

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nobody wants him to fail on a personal level. Young lad, United fan, seems like a genuinely nice lad.

But he's started on a mediocre level and he's getting worse almost every week. He seems slow to react to danger and he has virtually zero spring in his dives. His kicking and handling were exemplary for the first 10 games but even they have gone to pot now.

As it stands, I'm not sure he is showing a single attribute that you would want in a top level goalkeeper.

All these things come before the fee is even mentioned. The opportunity cost of spending so much of the budget on a keeper is being felt all over the squad (same with the Brewster investment). For better or worse, he is the main symbol in the playing squad of the utter failure of this specific season

So what’s constructive about that? How does any of that help us move forward and progress? Do you believe no one is aware he isn’t playing well, or do you blame him for being picked?
Simply put at this point what is the point of the criticism being fired at him from our fans?

 

[Champagneblade]

I really, really want to like Ramsdale. I want him to be a long standing GK for us and a club legend. However, i'm finding it extremely difficult to.

The thing with him for me is his concentration and/or positioning. At least once a game he ends up sat on the floor with absolutely no idea where the ball is. I think he's gotten away with all of them, but it gives me absolutely no confidence whatsoever.

Arsenal's first goal. He's ended up trying to stop the cross and in a poor position for Saka to aim at 75% of the goal.
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Leeds goal. Sent the wrong way with a header
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Even our goal against Bournemouth last season. How do you even get in that position as a GK?
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He reminds me of kids in the playground - he seems to want to come for every ball. But then it seems our defenders would rather try and win it to stop that happening. This then leads to weak/poor headed clearances which fall to the opposition and put us under more pressure - Southampton's 1st goal comes to mind.

Here's one he got away with, this was v Leicester, he came for a routine catch and ended up getting away with it after dropping the ball:

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Bogle's chest back v Newcastle. Why has he come to that position? (kid in a playground).
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It's like he was trying to intercept the ball from #16 despite it clearly going towards Bogle. It's barely going to make it into the area, therefore it isn't his responsibility. If Bogle fucks it up, it's on him.

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As I say, i'm trying to like him and not be harsh on the lad. But currently, he scares the shit out of me

Good points that are hard to argue against.

I know he's young and you have to remind yourself that.

I did think at the time "Christ, that's a big fee for someone who left for about a million."

I acknowledge that this fee is probably in many chunks but still.

 

[Carlton Blade]

So what’s constructive about that? How does any of that help us move forward and progress? Do you believe no one is aware he isn’t playing well, or do you blame him for being picked?
At this point what is the point of the criticism being fired at him from our fan?

At what point am I in a position where I need to always be constructive? His performances have been way below par and if we hadn't spent that fee, or had an adequate back up he'd be playing a lot less. In terms of moving forward and progressing the transfer strategy of the club needs to be revamped completely.

I don't blame Ramsdale for this predicament. He is in a situation that he's not handled well (on the pitch) but I believe he's doing his best. The blame for this season lies squarely with the management team who overvalued him and didn't consider the squad impact of spending so much money on one position

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

At what point am I in a position where I need to always be constructive? His performances have been way below par and if we hadn't spent that fee, or had an adequate back up he'd be playing a lot less. In terms of moving forward and progressing the transfer strategy of the club needs to be revamped completely.

I don't blame Ramsdale for this predicament. He is in a situation that he's not handled well (on the pitch) but I believe he's doing his best. The blame for this season lies squarely with the management team who overvalued him and didn't consider the squad impact of spending so much money on one position

It’s not about always being constructive, but at some point you need to be otherwise it’s not really supportive is it?
If you’ve made your point and yet continue to constantly rip the club down then it not support or beneficial to the club at all so what is it you want?
If there’s something you want to see, you have to ask if what you’re doing will achieve that and if not what’s the point? Or is it just affirmation you’re after? In which case shouting into an echo chamber will just continue to make you feel the same frustrations you do now.