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I love your enthusiasm but that would require Champions League form from the team who’s just set the record for the worst ever start to a season in history. I’m not throwing cold water on your post, but we have to be realistic. If we get up to around 25 points, we’ll have done pretty well in the second half of the season and can hold our heads up.

I would snap your hands off for 25 points!
 



If we still had a bit of cash in the pot, 9 points wouldnt be insurmountable at this stage, IF we spent it wisely and got the right players in. Unfortunately, the squad just doesnt have enough quality to generate the form required to get out of this imo.

If this gives us a bit of a momentum then maybe but I can't see it.

I dont think we will finish bottom though.
 
Realistic objectives are.

Minimum of12 Points to beat Derby's record
Cup quarter finals
Avoid finishing bottom - West Brom are very catchable

All these are achievable. Anything more will require some major shock / unexpected wins.

Off course if we got 6 or 7 points from the next 3 games (predict none) then that would throw a totally different light on it.
 
We've got 1 win, let's be happy with that for now, 2 Manc clubs away coming up, I'll keep praying but I can't see 6 or even 4 from those, I think 2 points might be pushing it too, but il keep everything crossed.
 
That's an unbelievably bad take in my opinion.

Until we met a team totally unwilling to pressure us, i thought our performances had got worse since his injury.

Berge's last full game before injury was at Southampton, so your memory's playing tricks on you
 
Let’s aim for West Brom, then if we get past them aim for the next team. If we play like we did last night we will do well in the second half of the season.
 
.I thought last nights style of play was, last seasons style of play, fast paced one touch pass and movement that has unsettled far better sides than Newcastle United and would do again.

Premier League sides dont like to be put on their back foot, the better teams thrive when everyone plays the in the same predictable shape and style. We must maintain the standards we set last night, if we are to survive, the work ethic and slick inter passing attacks we saw last year and again last night, is the only hope we have.

Sadly, in my opinion, the number one thing that would derail any hope of survival, would be the reintroduction of Sander Berge.
Correct, in fact i find him the same as Montgomery tbh, once he gets the ball under control (after 3 attempts) the ball gets to him and we go backwards, sideways, or anywhere apart from going forwards, i honestly think we could have done a lot better for the money we laid out for him, he's not creative in any way, we have the pace up front, we need a good midfielder to thread the ball through to them, sadly this is not Berger and never will be,
 
9 very winnable games to go yet, West Brom, Spam, Fulham, Villa, Leeds, Brighton, Palace, Toon and Burnley. But even at our best we wouldn't win them all, so we'd need to turn over some of the better teams too.

It's a huge ask but in many ways the pressure is off, as most have understandably written us off now. So just go out and play with freedom, take one game at a time and see where we end up.
 
I absolutely agree about Sander Berge. We are so much slower and predictable when he is playing. So many times in matches this season when we have regained possession (we cant waste these opportunities when were not creating load of openings) and had the chance to stretch teams by getting forward quicker, as soon as Berge gets the ball we go sideways and backwards.

I just dont get what many others see when they say hes an incredible talent etc.
Correct, in fact i find him the same as Montgomery tbh, once he gets the ball under control (after 3 attempts) the ball gets to him and we go backwards, sideways, or anywhere apart from going forwards, i honestly think we could have done a lot better for the money we laid out for him, he's not creative in any way, we have the pace up front, we need a good midfielder to thread the ball through to them, sadly this is not Berger and never will be,
 
Actually I think Berge is a very good player in deed, but some how I don't think he fits in with the style we play best. Maybe he's one for the future but at present he seems to throw the "up and at em " type play that Mr Wilder and most of us love to see, out of sync,.....

in my opinion ..... ;)
 
9 very winnable games to go yet, West Brom, Spam, Fulham, Villa, Leeds, Brighton, Palace, Toon and Burnley. But even at our best we wouldn't win them all, so we'd need to turn over some of the better teams too.

It's a huge ask but in many ways the pressure is off, as most have understandably written us off now. So just go out and play with freedom, take one game at a time and see where we end up.
I'd say wolves are easier than half those with Jiminez being out
 



9 very winnable games to go yet, West Brom, Spam, Fulham, Villa, Leeds, Brighton, Palace, Toon and Burnley. But even at our best we wouldn't win them all, so we'd need to turn over some of the better teams too.

It's a huge ask but in many ways the pressure is off, as most have understandably written us off now. So just go out and play with freedom, take one game at a time and see where we end up.
Now the pressure is off that should help us play with the same freedom we did last season and with that results should follow. But yeah agree we probaby need to turn over some of the big boys aswell.
 
In our previous great escape season, Boxing Day 1990 saw our second win of the season - a 1-0 win at Luton. It was our 18th game and put us on 10 points. However, we were still 7 points behind 4th from bottom. That season we would have needed 38 points to stop up, we finished on 46. It wasn't all plain sailing to the end of the season - our 19th game was a 4-1 defeat to Arsenal. We won game 20 but then lost the next two before winning game 23. We actually won 7 on the trot from game 23 including wins against Manchester United and Chelsea.
Two went down that season so 35 points would have been enough for us to stay up
 
Realistic objectives are.

Minimum of12 Points to beat Derby's record
Cup quarter finals
Avoid finishing bottom - West Brom are very catchable

All these are achievable. Anything more will require some major shock / unexpected wins.

Off course if we got 6 or 7 points from the next 3 games (predict none) then that would throw a totally different light on it.
2021 on-the-pitch objectives to achieve before end of season (in decreasing likelihood of possibly happening)

1. Win a football match (tick)
2. Win a league match (tick)
3. Keep a clean sheet (tick)
4. Go on a mini cup run (tick)
5. Get past Derby’s low-points record
6. Start keeping a few clean sheets
7. Become ‘tough to beat’ again picking up draws instead of defeats.
8. Get off the bottom of the league at some point
9. Have a great cup run
10. Finish 19th or higher
11. Get enough points, wins and decent performances to feel confident going into preparations for season in championship.
12. Finish 18th or higher
13. Get to cup final
14. Win FA cup
15. Avoid relegation
 
2021 on-the-pitch objectives to achieve before end of season (in decreasing likelihood of possibly happening)

1. Win a football match (tick)
2. Win a league match (tick)
3. Keep a clean sheet (tick)
4. Go on a mini cup run (tick)
5. Get past Derby’s low-points record
6. Start keeping a few clean sheets
7. Become ‘tough to beat’ again picking up draws instead of defeats.
8. Get off the bottom of the league at some point
9. Have a great cup run
10. Finish 19th or higher
11. Get enough points, wins and decent performances to feel confident going into preparations for season in championship.
12. Finish 18th or higher
13. Get to cup final
14. Win FA cup
15. Avoid relegation
They should stick this on the wall
 
2021 on-the-pitch objectives to achieve before end of season (in decreasing likelihood of possibly happening)

1. Win a football match (tick)
2. Win a league match (tick)
3. Keep a clean sheet (tick)
4. Go on a mini cup run (tick)
5. Get past Derby’s low-points record
6. Start keeping a few clean sheets
7. Become ‘tough to beat’ again picking up draws instead of defeats.
8. Get off the bottom of the league at some point
9. Have a great cup run
10. Finish 19th or higher
11. Get enough points, wins and decent performances to feel confident going into preparations for season in championship.
12. Finish 18th or higher
13. Get to cup final
14. Win FA cup
15. Avoid relegation
16. Play billy more !
 
2021 on-the-pitch objectives to achieve before end of season (in decreasing likelihood of possibly happening)

1. Win a football match (tick)
2. Win a league match (tick)
3. Keep a clean sheet (tick)
4. Go on a mini cup run (tick)
5. Get past Derby’s low-points record
6. Start keeping a few clean sheets
7. Become ‘tough to beat’ again picking up draws instead of defeats.
8. Get off the bottom of the league at some point
9. Have a great cup run
10. Finish 19th or higher
11. Get enough points, wins and decent performances to feel confident going into preparations for season in championship.
12. Finish 18th or higher
13. Get to cup final
14. Win FA cup
15. Avoid relegation
Looked a lot like we could be ticking off No. 7 from this list tonight against Man U . Genuinely in sight of No. 8 already as well if we can beat West Brom in a couple of weeks ...
 

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