Hassan Ayari

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I am not at all sure mate to be honest.I do think the way things are going we have not got a prayer of stopping up which i do not like saying but we have to face reality .We now need to think of the future of the club and the future is the young'uns.We are not loaded and we can not attract enough quality to the club because of our wages structure so it is time to unleash some of our academy lads and give them a taster .We have nothing to lose really.A lot of our first teamers have burnt out their motors .they have done us proud in the past but some are struggling and it's sad to see it but we have to move on .Stevens ,Fleck and our Billy who have been really good for us have started to flag and lose form.The young one on loan at Luton looks a great prospect at left back and they love him down there and he is already a full international. Hassan is getting rave reports and scores goals for fun and without a nerve in his body and is full of confidence .I know he is just a lad but other clubs seem to blood them early why not us.

It's easy to sound like a negative ninny when responding to suggestions that Young Kids should be chucked up to the First Team Squad. I know why Hassan has a surrounding buzz. He's a flair player. He's just been selected for a National Age Group team. We've got videos of Academy Goals all over Social Media. His 10 goals in 9 is a remarkable haul. I firmly subscribe to a) if they're good enough, they'll come through & b) develop them, so they're good enough. But. Reality. He's playing in Division 3 U18 football. He's yet to make his debut at U23 level. Players like Iliman Ndiaye, George Broadbent, Angelo Cappello, Zak Brunt are U23 regulars (still Division 3 remember) and would, logically, be ahead of Hassan if the First Team came calling. (Hackford is just beginning to make his way in U23 football). And, we also have a shadow squad of youngsters out on loan at the moment. Hassan would have to jump over a lot of players to get into the U23s, let alone the First Team.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Just seen this now..

wilder has never really been one for youth players - brooks was off on loan before we were going to give him a chance in the side - And you look at the quality he had, didn’t even get a chance at the end of the league one season off the bench.

 

[SotonBlade]

wilder has never really been one for youth players - brooks was off on loan before we were going to give him a chance in the side - And you look at the quality he had, didn’t even get a chance at the end of the league one season off the bench.

As wilder was quoted above there just isn't the quality in those Young squads to make a premier league impact

 

[Bladeinleeds]

As wilder was quoted above there just isn't the quality in those Young squads to make a premier league impact

i agree - it’s highly unlikely anyone will step up. Especially a 16/17 year old.

just saying that it’s wilder doesn’t really fancy young unproved players in his squad.

 

[BlairBlade]

i agree - it’s highly unlikely anyone will step up. Especially a 16/17 year old.

just saying that it’s wilder doesn’t really fancy young unproved players in his squad.

I agree that Wilder isn’t one for going with youth.
Brookes went straight into Bournemouth’s first team when he left.
Maybe our academy simply doesn’t produce first team talent at such an early age.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

wilder has never really been one for youth players - brooks was off on loan before we were going to give him a chance in the side - And you look at the quality he had, didn’t even get a chance at the end of the league one season off the bench.

I would argue something more along the lines of - the position the club seems to be constantly in, makes it very difficult for any manager, Wilder included, to risk too much on Youth players.

What I mean by that is; our league status and position fluctuates widely, we're always trying to get promoted, get to the play offs or avoid relegation. We're always fighting for or against something. We're never settled or consolidated. We're yo-yo. We're always in some pressure situation. Maybe every club feels like that. I don't know, but it just seems more "intense" at The Lane. In those circumstances, managers have to be measured, lean towards experience, get it over the line, play the percentages, not take too many risks. A fully consolidated club (take Everton for eg), don't view themselves in danger of going down, realistically won't win the league, may do well in cups, and challenge for Europe. They seem more settled & can calmly & quietly develop youngsters, manage their game time, give them opportunities. We never seem to get there. Constantly shit or bust.

Now, I don't mean any of that critically. That's just who we are & where we are. But, our "flux" makes introducing youngsters into the team difficult (opinion).

 

[Badger Blade]

I agree that Wilder isn’t one for going with youth.
Brookes went straight into Bournemouth’s first team when he left.
Maybe our academy simply doesn’t produce first team talent at such an early age.

Brooks wasn't even a player that we really produced, its not like we signed him as an 7 year old and brought him through, he was cast off by Man City when he was 17. Wilder was ready to pack him off to Chesterfield too which would have either ruined him or single handedly kept them in the league, it was only the fact that Leon Clarke was our only fit striker that kept him here and then took him to Bournemouth.

He doesn't blood our own youth but will happily sign on other people's inexperienced players in the hope that they're Premier League quality (see McBurnie, Brewster, Ramsdale, Lowe, Bogle, Ampadu, Burke)

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I would argue something more along the lines of - the position the club seems to be constantly in, makes it very difficult for any manager, Wilder included, to risk too much on Youth players.

What I mean by that is; our league status and position fluctuates widely, we're always trying to get promoted, get to the play offs or avoid relegation. We're always fighting for or against something. We're never settled or consolidated. We're yo-yo. We're always in some pressure situation. Maybe every club feels like that. I don't know, but it just seems more "intense" at The Lane. In those circumstances, managers have to be measured, lean towards experience, get it over the line, play the percentages, not take too many risks. A fully consolidated club (take Everton for eg), don't view themselves in danger of going down, realistically won't win the league, may do well in cups, and challenge for Europe. They seem more settled & can calmly & quietly develop youngsters, manage their game time, give them opportunities. We never seem to get there. Constantly shit or bust.

Now, I don't mean any of that critically. That's just who we are & where we are. But, our "flux" makes introducing youngsters into the team difficult (opinion).

no, I completely agree. The reliance on his core of experienced players has worked very well so far.

and there is obviously a time and a place for throwing the young players in. I do feel it’s no wilders first thought to go with youth even if they were decent.

we could have had brooks on the bench at the end of L1 season for example and got him some experience then. We would presumably not then have been looking to loan him out.

I’ve no idea if any of the young Lads are close this season but once relegation is confirmed, is there really any harm in having a few on a nine man bench for the last few months of the season?? That way at least they are around the squad - and you see what they have.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Brooks wasn't even a player that we really produced, its not like we signed him as an 7 year old and brought him through, he was cast off by Man City when he was 17. Wilder was ready to pack him off to Chesterfield too which would have either ruined him or single handedly kept them in the league, it was only the fact that Leon Clarke was our only fit striker that kept him here and then took him to Bournemouth.

He doesn't blood our own youth but will happily sign on other people's inexperienced players in the hope that they're Premier League quality (see McBurnie, Brewster, Ramsdale, Lowe, Bogle, Ampadu, Burke)

there’s only really Brewster and ampadu that are inexperienced. And one is a full international, with champions league experience

ramsdale had 3 season playing including a full PL season. Lowe and bogle both have full years championship experience, same with mcburnie, who’s also started in the PL.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

no, I completely agree. The reliance on his core of experienced players has worked very well so far.

and there is obviously a time and a place for throwing the young players in. I do feel it’s no wilders first thought to go with youth even if they were decent.

we could have had brooks on the bench at the end of L1 season for example and got him some experience then. We would presumably not then have been looking to loan him out.

I’ve no idea if any of the young Lads are close this season but once relegation is confirmed, is there really any harm in having a few on a nine man bench for the last few months of the season?? That way at least they are around the squad - and you see what they have.

We can't put our best, most experienced, youngsters on the bench. Because our Development Pathway has them out on loan playing games for EFL & non league teams. So, any youngsters we put on the bench would be "second best". I'm not saying don't do it. But, I'm falling back on the reality. We play First Team football in the Premier League. We play Youth Football in Division 3, using our second best youngsters who aren't out on loan. That's a big jump for them.

 

[Wards]

Actually wouldn't be surprised to see Brunt get the odd appearance on the bench this year - or dare I say a game when we play Bristol in the cup. Don't expect anyone else to come close right now. Throwing them into a team struggling for form isn't going to do their development any good.

 

[Badger Blade]

there’s only really Brewster and ampadu that are inexperienced. And one is a full international, with champions league experience

ramsdale had 3 season playing including a full PL season. Lowe and bogle both have full years championship experience, same with mcburnie, who’s also started in the PL.

In terms of full, uninterrupted seasons of football though at a decent level i.e. Championship or higher when we signed them

Ampadu - bugger all
Brewster - half a season + odd cup appearances at Liverpool
Ramsdale - 1 + loans at Chesterfield and Wimbledon.
McBurnie - 1 + odd loan spells and run outs off the bench
Burke - 1 (25 games is the most he's ever managed in a season since 2014)
Lowe - 1 (29 games in the Championship last season, barely anything before that)
Bogle - 2

At least when we signed Osborn, he was 25 and came with 200+ games at Forest. I get that we can't afford proven Premier League experienced players but too many of these guys are gambles based on not enough evidence IMO and haven't paid off.

 

[petcharlie]

I would argue something more along the lines of - the position the club seems to be constantly in, makes it very difficult for any manager, Wilder included, to risk too much on Youth players.

What I mean by that is; our league status and position fluctuates widely, we're always trying to get promoted, get to the play offs or avoid relegation. We're always fighting for or against something. We're never settled or consolidated. We're yo-yo. We're always in some pressure situation. Maybe every club feels like that. I don't know, but it just seems more "intense" at The Lane. In those circumstances, managers have to be measured, lean towards experience, get it over the line, play the percentages, not take too many risks. A fully consolidated club (take Everton for eg), don't view themselves in danger of going down, realistically won't win the league, may do well in cups, and challenge for Europe. They seem more settled & can calmly & quietly develop youngsters, manage their game time, give them opportunities. We never seem to get there. Constantly shit or bust.

Now, I don't mean any of that critically. That's just who we are & where we are. But, our "flux" makes introducing youngsters into the team difficult (opinion).

The position the club is in is dire with no hope of pulling it around so we have nothing to lose .I am sick to the back teeth of listening to radio Sheffields commentary on yet another 1 0 defeat knowing very well that a opposition goal means we have lost .At 70 years old I have more chance of scoring with a bloody super model than my football club have of getting on the score board.Watching the players falling to their knees and looking dejected at the final whistle of every match tells it;s own story.Plenty of hard work is not enough in the prem .at Burnley we had 70% possession and not a hope of a goal.We had not got the flair or the courage or the nerve to create chances and try something different to open them up.We did not have a young'un without any nerves who was full of energy confidence or who was full of arrogance to take them on or even have a bloody shot. This young lad has all that our first team is lacking apart from experience and he won't get that watching from the stands .We have NOTHING to lose and maybe plenty to gain .A 20 min run out would not hurt no one because we know we will have lost the game anyway.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

The position the club is in is dire with no hope of pulling it around so we have nothing to lose .I am sick to the back teeth of listening to radio Sheffields commentary on yet another 1 0 defeat knowing very well that a opposition goal means we have lost .At 70 years old I have more chance of scoring with a bloody super model than my football club have of getting on the score board.Watching the players falling to their knees and looking dejected at the final whistle of every match tells it;s own story.Plenty of hard work is not enough in the prem .at Burnley we had 70% possession and not a hope of a goal.We had not got the flair or the courage or the nerve to create chances and try something different to open them up.We did not have a young'un without any nerves who was full of energy confidence or who was full of arrogance to take them on or even have a bloody shot. This young lad has all that our first team is lacking apart from experience and he won't get that watching from the stands .We have NOTHING to lose and maybe plenty to gain .A 20 min run out would not hurt no one because we know we will have lost the game anyway.

I'll take your word on all that. But, my point remains - if we're going to give anyone a 20 min run out, shouldn't it be one of the many Academy youngsters who are better than Hassan at the moment?

 

[Foxy]

I'll take your word on all that. But, my point remains - if we're going to give anyone a 20 min run out, shouldn't it be one of the many Academy youngsters who are better than Hassan at the moment?

History says it's always much better to latch onto one name, build them up, then knock them down

 

[Houston_Blade]

We can't put our best, most experienced, youngsters on the bench. Because our Development Pathway has them out on loan playing games for EFL & non league teams. So, any youngsters we put on the bench would be "second best". I'm not saying don't do it. But, I'm falling back on the reality. We play First Team football in the Premier League. We play Youth Football in Division 3, using our second best youngsters who aren't out on loan. That's a big jump for them.

I wish people would listen to you a bit more.

If people don’t understand the ‘pathway’ by now, they never will.

To even talk about a player before they’ve been out on loan a division below us for a season is a waste of time.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

History says it's always much better to latch onto one name, build them up, then knock them down

Ladies & Gentlemen - I give you Angelo Cappello....

 

[petcharlie]

I'll take your word on all that. But, my point remains - if we're going to give anyone a 20 min run out, shouldn't it be one of the many Academy youngsters who are better than Hassan at the moment?

I think any one of the young guys who are showing real promise deserves a go and at the moment this lad is getting all the plaudits and that is why I think he should be given a go.I feel it could give him all the right signs about how well he is doing and what he could possible achieve if he keeps developing at the rate he is showing now.If he feels out of his depth he will know how much more he needs to develop before he is seen as a first teamer.Now is a good time to take chances with these young;uns because we are going nowhere apart from the Championship or we can carry on like we are doing and go out with out with out a whimper.You never know we could uncover a real gem and that is what we need because we have not got much of a chance getting real quality in with the wages we offer.We have nothing to lose yet these young guys have lots to gain and they know it and that is the difference these young guys have .it;s called ambition and a point to prove.As Alex Ferguson once said if they are good enough they are old enough .Lets see what the lads have to offer ,you never know we could strike gold.The only thing we look like striking is the bloody rocks.

 

[Yogi]

Ladies & Gentlemen - I give you Angelo Cappello....

Helps if they sound foreign really adds an air of the exotic and a bit of mystique when in reality they’re from somewhere dull and ordinary like chesterfield, shire brook or any number of Sheffield boroughs. Just like the rest of us

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I think any one of the young guys who are showing real promise deserves a go and at the moment this lad is getting all the plaudits and that is why I think he should be given a go.I feel it could give him all the right signs about how well he is doing and what he could possible achieve if he keeps developing at the rate he is showing now.If he feels out of his depth he will know how much more he needs to develop before he is seen as a first teamer.Now is a good time to take chances with these young;uns because we are going nowhere apart from the Championship or we can carry on like we are doing and go out with out with out a whimper.You never know we could uncover a real gem and that is what we need because we have not got much of a chance getting real quality in with the wages we offer.We have nothing to lose yet these young guys have lots to gain and they know it and that is the difference these young guys have .it;s called ambition and a point to prove.As Alex Ferguson once said if they are good enough they are old enough .Lets see what the lads have to offer ,you never know we could strike gold.The only thing we look like striking is the bloody rocks.

I agree with the general point, that it might be worth a look at a Youngster. But, I'm a bit at odds with "this lad is getting all the plaudits". I'm going to stick my neck out & appear a little critical. Plaudits from who? No one can watch him play U18 football at the moment. We're not streaming Academy games. Wilder, Knill, Heckingbottom haven't plaudited him. It's a wonderful achievement for him to be selected for Tunisia U20. His goal tally in Division 3 U18 is impressive. I'm going to suggest - people have seen a few clips of him on the internet - and are getting giddy - and inventing these plaudits from nowhere. He's a kid. A good player. One of many we have in the Academy. Great base skill set. Let him play U18 until he matures & grows out a bit. Then, let's see him against bigger, older, more experienced lads at U23 in due course. See how he gets on. And, if we really want to jib someone up from deep in our Academy system, let's choose one of the better, more suitable lads.

The strongest I'll say is, again - plaudits from who?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Helps if they sound foreign really adds an air of the exotic and a bit of mystique when in reality they’re from somewhere dull and ordinary like chesterfield, shire brook or any number of Sheffield boroughs. Just like the rest of us

Agree. Blogged it. (Incidentally, Angelo has been subsequently selected for Belize International Age Group Squads)

https://ball-sup.blogspot.com/2017/07/exotic-name.html

 

[Yogi]

Agree. Blogged it. (Incidentally, Angelo has been subsequently selected for Belize International Age Group Squads)

https://ball-sup.blogspot.com/2017/07/exotic-name.html

Excellent he’d best not score or assist otherwise it’ll be a travesty he’s not starting for us. Not said to you before appreciate the blogs on academy football when things are normal.

 

[petcharlie]

I agree with the general point, that it might be worth a look at a Youngster. But, I'm a bit at odds with "this lad is getting all the plaudits". I'm going to stick my neck out & appear a little critical. Plaudits from who? No one can watch him play U18 football at the moment. We're not streaming Academy games. Wilder, Knill, Heckingbottom haven't plaudited him. It's a wonderful achievement for him to be selected for Tunisia U20. His goal tally in Division 3 U18 is impressive. I'm going to suggest - people have seen a few clips of him on the internet - and are getting giddy - and inventing these plaudits from nowhere. He's a kid. A good player. One of many we have in the Academy. Great base skill set. Let him play U18 until he matures & grows out a bit. Then, let's see him against bigger, older, more experienced lads at U23 in due course. See how he gets on. And, if we really want to jib someone up from deep in our Academy system, let's choose one of the better, more suitable lads.

The strongest I'll say is, again - plaudits from who?

Hi I have my self have read reports and seen videos of him and they all have raved about him .Not just from Blades fans or from local press but from national news agencies who seem to think we have something special on our hands .You say lets see how he goes on in the Under 23s I say we are missing a trick when you look at really young lads playing regular prem footy at other clubs at 19 and 20 .If we do have a real prospect on our hands then lets have a look at him other wise if he is that good as people in the game says we will have bloody well sold him before he gets on the pitch. as we always seem to do and then watch these young ones playing in someone elses prem league club.What on earth have we got to lose ?Nothing is the answer.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Hi I have my self have read reports and seen videos of him and they all have raved about him .Not just from Blades fans or from local press but from national news agencies who seem to think we have something special on our hands .You say lets see how he goes on in the Under 23s I say we are missing a trick when you look at really young lads playing regular prem footy at other clubs at 19 and 20 .If we do have a real prospect on our hands then lets have a look at him other wise if he is that good as people in the game says we will have bloody well sold him before he gets on the pitch. as we always seem to do and then watch these young ones playing in someone elses prem league club.What on earth have we got to lose ?Nothing is the answer.

And.....these national news agencies, raving about him. How are their reporters seeing him play, in order to make the raving judgement? They're certainly not seeing him live. They're certainly not seeing him on streams.

Look. All I'm saying is be careful of believing he's something he's not (yet). We need to select players on ability. Not on who has the best YouTube Edit.

I've seen the lad play this Calendar Year. But obvs not since March (no one has). There was a lot to like. But, he's playing quite low level football at the moment. He needs to be tried against someone who can shave before we get too carried away.

 

[petcharlie]

And.....these national news agencies, raving about him. How are their reporters seeing him play, in order to make the raving judgement? They're certainly not seeing him live. They're certainly not seeing him on streams.

Look. All I'm saying is be careful of believing he's something he's not (yet). We need to select players on ability. Not on who has the best YouTube Edit.

I've seen the lad play this Calendar Year. But obvs not since March (no one has). There was a lot to like. But, he's playing quite low level football at the moment. He needs to be tried against someone who can shave before we get too carried away.

You seem to think I am just flying his flag ,I am a big believer in letting these youngsters off the leash not just in Ayair's case but in all the splended real good youngsters we have at the club . Luton rave about our young left back they have on loan from us and all ready other clubs are sniffing around him even before we have seen him on our pitch.He is already a full international and and reports say Brighton and Southampton along with Bristol are looking at him . Have we or will we let another one slip through the net .How many of our ACADEMY youngsters have we got playing in our first team now?Apart from one we had to pay 18 million pounds for to bring him back.We even sent Brookes out to some outback club before he got bit parts in our team and all the time other clubs were biting at the bit to get him but no he could only get a odd game for us if not any at all.Lets give these guys a go ,we are now drifting out of site of the prem nothing to lose but plenty to gain.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Disclaimer. I'm in no way attempting to slag Hassan off. Naturally, I love the kid. I hope he kicks on & makes our first team as soon as realistically possible. I'm just pushing the bigger picture.

Have a look at this Youth Cup line up from THIS YEAR. Hassan came on as a late Sub.

In 2020/21 Under 23s
Zak Brunt has played 8, scored 5
Nigel Jebbison has played 7, scored 3
Frankie Maguire has played 9
Harry Boyes is out on loan playing with Big Lads for Bradford Park Avenue. (I think he might just have a shot at a L2 loan in the January Window)
Hassan has yet to debut for the U23s

All I'm saying is that if we dig deep & grab an Academy Lad for the full first team experience - these have an equal shot to Hassan in my view.

(And of course, there are also the very experienced youngsters like Broadbent who were too old for that Youth Cup squad)

 

[petcharlie]

And.....these national news agencies, raving about him. How are their reporters seeing him play, in order to make the raving judgement? They're certainly not seeing him live. They're certainly not seeing him on streams.

Look. All I'm saying is be careful of believing he's something he's not (yet). We need to select players on ability. Not on who has the best YouTube Edit.

I've seen the lad play this Calendar Year. But obvs not since March (no one has). There was a lot to like. But, he's playing quite low level football at the moment. He needs to be tried against someone who can shave before we get too carried away.

Be careful of what? Relegation ?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

You seem to think I am just flying his flag ,I am a big believer in letting these youngsters off the leash not just in Ayair's case but in all the splended real good youngsters we have at the club . Luton rave about our young left back they have on loan from us and all ready other clubs are sniffing around him even before we have seen him on our pitch.He is already a full international and and reports say Brighton and Southampton along with Bristol are looking at him . Have we or will we let another one slip through the net .How many of our ACADEMY youngsters have we got playing in our first team now?Apart from one we had to pay 18 million pounds for to bring him back.We even sent Brookes out to some outback club before he got bit parts in our team and all the time other clubs were biting at the bit to get him but no he could only get a odd game for us if not any at all.Lets give these guys a go ,we are now drifting out of site of the prem nothing to lose but plenty to gain.

Thanks for clarification. I thought you were flying his particular flag. I understand more now.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Be careful of what? Relegation ?

Be careful of throwing a kid into a toxic atmosphere, a losing environment, a hostile situation, that may actually set his development back a step or two.

For instance.

Good youngsters play well in sides that are playing well. Chuck then in a shitshow & they may become marked as Shitshowers

 

[petcharlie]

Disclaimer. I'm in no way attempting to slag Hassan off. Naturally, I love the kid. I hope he kicks on & makes our first team as soon as realistically possible. I'm just pushing the bigger picture.

Have a look at this Youth Cup line up from THIS YEAR. Hassan came on as a late Sub.

In 2020/21 Under 23s
Zak Brunt has played 8, scored 5
Nigel Jebbison has played 7, scored 3
Frankie Maguire has played 9
Harry Boyes is out on loan playing with Big Lads for Bradford Park Avenue. (I think he might just have a shot at a L2 loan in the January Window)
Hassan has yet to debut for the U23s

All I'm saying is that if we dig deep & grab an Academy Lad for the full first team experience - these have an equal shot to Hassan in my view.

(And of course, there are also the very experienced youngsters like Broadbent who were too old for that Youth Cup squad)

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Now that is something i can agree with you about .What a thrill for these lads being in a squad for the first team .Now we can have more sat on the bench what harm could it do to to have one of these guys sat there and maybe get a 15 min runout.After all we are all but down ,which i do not like saying but reality says we are , Nothing to lose