The Case for Chris Wilder

[Bladeinleeds]

very fine margins in the prem
we sit rock bottom due to 10 single goal defeats

leeds are getting praise for their cavalier attitude
their manager is up for manager of the season , but these current stats say hes a fraud
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On the flip side - Leeds have already scored 25 goals. We only managed 39 in the season.

they can win games even not defending well because they are creating chances. We can barely score a single goal never mind 2/3 to win a game. We couldn’t even score against their fraudulent defence

Over all our goal difference is -18, theirs is -5.

 

[Hull Blade]

Keep the bulk of the squad, much like Norwich and B'mouth. Come back stronger.

 

[Gannon's perm]

very fine margins in the prem
we sit rock bottom due to 10 single goal defeats

leeds are getting praise for their cavalier attitude
their manager is up for manager of the season , but these current stats say hes a fraud
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Yes their defence is shit, but their attack is pretty good. They aim to outscore the opposition. Yet still have clean sheets. Where as we have a shit defence and shit attack.

 

[DannyRotten]

On the flip side - Leeds have already scored 25 goals. We only managed 39 in the season.

they can win games even not defending well because they are creating chances. We can barely score a single goal never mind 2/3 to win a game. We couldn’t even score against their fraudulent defence

Over all our goal difference is -18, theirs is -5.

I'd argue that if we were playing like Leeds - heck, like we were playing LAST season and were getting the same results - then people like me would be complaining a lot less.

If we go down we go down and we go again, i'm not bothered. Ok, I am bothered but it won't dilute my pashion. - but I would like to go down as Sheffield United and not whatever Wilder is making us. To me Sheffield United are triers, we never give up. They take a kicking and give a kicking out the very next match. This side has given up. They are not motivated - and I'm sure Wilder said when he can't motivate them he'd walk.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I'd argue that if we were playing like Leeds - heck, like we were playing LAST season and were getting the same results - then people like me would be complaining a lot less.

If we go down we go down and we go again, i'm not bothered. Ok, I am bothered but it won't dilute my pashion. - but I would like to go down as Sheffield United and not whatever Wilder is making us. To me Sheffield United are triers, we never give up. They take a kicking and give a kicking out the very next match. This side has given up. They are not motivated - and I'm sure Wilder said when he can't motivate them he'd walk.

there’s lots wilder has done wrong for sure.

but on the flip side he’s never left a club lower than when he started. And has won with a variety of systems, different personal etc. so I don’t think he’s a one trick pony.

he deserves the chance to get us out of this rut. And if you believe his quotes "We've got nothing to lose. Everybody looks at the position and say we're buried. We're done for. Nothing to lose. We might aswell go for it + that's been my message to the players. They have to take that on board. No pressure on us." He’s not telling the players to go into their shells - he’s telling them to play without fear get back to what we do best.

But its up to them to have composure... not fail to control it everytime it’s close, make the right decisions. At the moment it’s like them basketball players in spacejam and someone has stolen all their ability

 

[silver blade]

If we get nowt from the next 2 games I think he’ll
offer his resignation.Stating that his best is’nt good enough for SUFC.

 

[Swinton Blade]

Someone who does not make excuses and critisised anyone and anything other than himself.

The tactics ARE different this season, surely people can see that?

Why are our players like scared animals in the headlights all of a sudden? They have been TOLD to play differently. Negativity will get us relegated, when we played without fear other teams feared US and we gave out a lot of bloody noses to some so called big clubs who did not know how to handle us as upstarts daring to play football against them in a manor no one else who gets promoted does.

I want to go back to that way of playing football please.

All managers make excuses and criticise others, we'll have no manager with that logic.

We are not playing negative football, we are just not good enough up top of the pitch to score goals and a defence clearly missing O'Connell.

 

[Yogi]

very fine margins in the prem
we sit rock bottom due to 10 single goal defeats

leeds are getting praise for their cavalier attitude
their manager is up for manager of the season , but these current stats say hes a fraud
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The stats don’t necessarily say he’s a fraud but what they do say is that their results are far above their expected average. Right now Leeds fans probably think stats don’t matter but it would indicate that sooner or later a very steep regression towards the mean is coming which will sting when it does.

 

[blade too long]

The stats don’t necessarily say he’s a fraud but what they do say is that their results are far above their expected average. Right now Leeds fans probably think stats don’t matter but it would indicate that sooner or later a very steep regression towards the mean is coming which will sting when it does.

im just relating it to the fine margins that exist
also im saying how can anyone be considered as a top coach with those stats

 

[Yogi]

im just relating it to the fine margins that exist
also im saying how can anyone be considered as a top coach with those stats

Oh I agree it’s an interesting point as to what extent the bounce of the ball is attributed to the manager. I guess it comes down to the coach taking all the credit when it goes well and the blame when it doesn’t.

 

[stringer]

If he's able to adapt and change (tactically, staffing wise, scouting etc) , take responsibiliteh and stop blaming everyone else and feeling sorry for himself then there is no-one else better.

Sadly I see little evidence of any of that happening anytime soon

Where is he blaming everyone else and feeling sorry for himself? He’s taken his fair share of responsibility all along the way

 

[FMBlade1]

Where is he blaming everyone else and feeling sorry for himself? He’s taken his fair share of responsibility all along the way

Last post-match press conference he criticized the players and absolved himself of any responsibiliteh 'I can't play the game for them'.

Then did his thing which he's done way too much this season of talking up the opposition and how much moneh they have spent.

Taking responsibiliteh isn't just saying it, it's doing something about it and changing your approach, which he's reluctant to do as it proves him wrong (eg by dropping Ramsdale, altering the system, getting new coaches, signing players beyond Dover etc)

 

[Striker]

Last post-match press conference he criticized the players and absolved himself of any responsibiliteh 'I can't play the game for them'.

Then did his thing which he's done way too much this season of talking up the opposition and how much moneh they have spent.

Taking responsibiliteh isn't just saying it, it's doing something about it and changing your approach, which he's reluctant to do as it proves him wrong (eg by dropping Ramsdale, altering the system, getting new coaches, signing players beyond Dover etc)

How can anyone know if, dropping Ramsdale, getting in new coaches or signing players beyond Dover will make any difference whatsoever. As for altering the system he's done this regularly during games and even started with a different system against Everton.
Its so easy to post opinions without having them proven in execution during games.
The issues we're facing this year are huge.
Losing Henderson, losing JOC, not having Mousset available and no crowds. None of these issues are down to CW.
All the issues I mention have also contributed to many of the players and the team as a whole losing confidence.
You may say a perfect storm for our demise.
Remember what happened and the years in the wilderness when Bassett and Warnock were sacked
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR

 

[FMBlade1]

How can anyone know if, dropping Ramsdale, getting in new coaches or signing players beyond Dover will make any difference whatsoever. As for altering the system he's done this regularly during games and even started with a different system against Everton.
Its so easy to post opinions without having them proven in execution during games.
The issues we're facing this year are huge.
Losing Henderson, losing JOC, not having Mousset available and no crowds. None of these issues are down to CW.
All the issues I mention have also contributed to many of the players and the team as a whole losing confidence.
You may say a perfect storm for our demise.
Remember what happened and the years in the wilderness when Bassett and Warnock were sacked
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR

I posted weeks ago that Bogle and Baldock should play in the same team.

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They finally did against Brighton and we looked much better and Bogle scored.

He was then punished for that and dropped for the Everton game. The system was slightly tinkered against Everton I'll concede, after 14 games of FAILURE

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He chose to replace Henderson with Ramsdale. He chose not to replace JOC 'The players in the building are good enough' he said at the end of the transfer window. WRONG

We were ok without crowds against Wolves, Spurs and Chelsea last year

BET LEICESTER DIDN'T REGRET SACKING RANIERI

 

[Champagneblade]

Keep the bulk of the squad, much like Norwich and B'mouth. Come back stronger.

We have a very capable set if strikers for that level based on recent experience there.

We have a defence which would do well there and with Bogle and RND have some good depth.

Rammers will come out better for the experience and we will be the ones having more possession.

It's the Midfield which has the most questions. Can Fleck and Norwood do it again? Who plays the Duffy role? Can Sander dominate a level lower?

Start to answer those questions and you could have a good tilt with limited transfer activity.

 

[Gavlar]

How can anyone know if, dropping Ramsdale, getting in new coaches or signing players beyond Dover will make any difference whatsoever. As for altering the system he's done this regularly during games and even started with a different system against Everton.
Its so easy to post opinions without having them proven in execution during games.
The issues we're facing this year are huge.
Losing Henderson, losing JOC, not having Mousset available and no crowds. None of these issues are down to CW.
All the issues I mention have also contributed to many of the players and the team as a whole losing confidence.
You may say a perfect storm for our demise.
Remember what happened and the years in the wilderness when Bassett and Warnock were sacked
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR

Bassett had several years to get us back up after we went down.

 

[Champagneblade]

I posted weeks ago that Bogle and Baldock should play in the same team.

Action plan going forward | S24SU Forum | Sheffield United Community

They finally did against Brighton and we looked much better and Bogle scored.

He was then punished for that and dropped for the Everton game. The system was slightly tinkered against Everton I'll concede, after 14 games of FAILURE

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He chose to replace Henderson with Ramsdale. He chose not to replace JOC 'The players in the building are good enough' he said at the end of the transfer window. WRONG

We were ok without crowds against Wolves, Spurs and Chelsea last year

BET LEICESTER DIDN'T REGRET SACKING RANIERI

Bogle is unlucky. But the sample size of him doing well is so small.

It's difficult to advocate a formation which supports having 2 players in the XI who have only ever played at right back.

Maybe he comes in for Lundstram in a 3?

 

[stringer]

Last post-match press conference he criticized the players and absolved himself of any responsibiliteh 'I can't play the game for them'.

Then did his thing which he's done way too much this season of talking up the opposition and how much moneh they have spent.

Taking responsibiliteh isn't just saying it, it's doing something about it and changing your approach, which he's reluctant to do as it proves him wrong (eg by dropping Ramsdale, altering the system, getting new coaches, signing players beyond Dover etc)

He can’t play the game for them though, can he?
As for new coaches, was it your post the other day advocating hiring Jääskeläinen as goalkeeping coach over the man who helped make Dean Henderson into an England player and the country’s best young goalkeeper?

 

[Toronto Blade fan]

There has to be a copy of the geese movie laying around somewhere ... Chris needs to bust it out and inspire the boys.

 

[FMBlade1]

He can’t play the game for them though, can he?
As for new coaches, was it your post the other day advocating hiring Jääskeläinen as goalkeeping coach over the man who helped make Dean Henderson into an England player and the country’s best young goalkeeper?

No, as I put his name in brackets, I then questioned what is going on with Ramsdale but can understand how you could think that.

He can't play the game for them, but he can set them up better and train them better imho

 

[FMBlade1]

Bogle is unlucky. But the sample size of him doing well is so small.

It's difficult to advocate a formation which supports having 2 players in the XI who have only ever played at right back.

Maybe he comes in for Lundstram in a 3?

It's quite easy actually:

Verrips
Baldock- Basham-Egan- Stevens
Bogle - Norwood/Rodwell- Lundstram - Osborne/Fleck
Brewster/Burke- Mc Burnie

With maybe McGoldrick at the tip of the diamond as an alternative with a CDM that can drop into a back 5, a role that Rodwell has played before.

And Gareth Bale and plenty of other players started as full backs then to become wingers.

Baldock and Bogle in tandem would work quite well IMHO

 

[ancientblade]

No, as I put his name in brackets, I then questioned what is going on with Ramsdale but can understand how you could think that.

He can't play the game for them, but he can set them up better and train them better imho

ramsdale is making mistakes like the rest of the team because theres no confidence throughout the team hes not on his own i think we may well see an upturn in results and confidence once were absolutely certain to go down and i think we will beat derbys 11 points

 

[FMBlade1]

ramsdale is making mistakes like the rest of the team because theres no confidence throughout the team hes not on his own i think we may well see an upturn in results and confidence once were absolutely certain to go down and i think we will beat derbys 11 points

Yes he's not solely responsible but he's not exactly inspiring confidence or leading the team is he?

A goalkeeper is important for organizing/marshalling the defence and commanding the area etc. not just shot stopping

 

[Striker]

Bassett had several years to get us back up after we went down.

One and half seasons actually where no investment was forthcoming. Money then thrown at Kendall who ultimately failed. The rest as they say is history

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

1. If we go down (and it is still an "if" despite the defeatist negativity on here) I cannot think of a single manager who would be more likely to take us back up.

2. Wilder clearly still has the dressing room. No lack of effort from any of the players despite the nightmare of a season so far. Quite an achievement to be able to keep a squad together and focussed particularly when there is frequent change in 6 or 7 positions.

3. Fine margins. Yes we've been shocking all season but not that shocking. Some 1 goal defeats could have been 1 goal victories and it's easy to see where we could have had at least 9 more points (Fulham's position). I would very much doubt that if we were in Fulham's position that there would even be a conversation about Wilder's future despite the poor performances.

4. The Prince backs him. He has invested money into the club and knows a little bit more about what is going on behind the scenes than those calling for Wilder to go.

5. Wilder has not suddenly gone from being one of the finest managers in the country to one of the worse. The team are going through a bad period. Unless limitless money was going to be thrown into the pot, it was always going to happen. You can see how much the situation is hurting Wilder and I would imagine he's working his nuts off trying to fix things. This is more than just another job to him. Those of us who have followed the team over decades can remember quite a few clowns running things who probably didn't lose too much sleep when things weren't going well. Be careful what you wish for. Wilder is undoubtedly one of the finest mangers in our history. Losing him now would be a big mistake.

6. Signings. These are mostly young players some of whom (Berge, Brewster) Wilder has had to work hard to convince to join us and convince them that they will thrive here. Perhaps agents may have tried to convince them to hold out for bigger wages elsewhere. We are not a big spending club when it comes to wages so they obviously have bought into his ideas and aims for the future. Will a replacement manager get the best out of them? (I know Wilder hasn't yet but it's absolute madness to be judging a young player after a few games in a struggling team)

7. After we beat Burnley tomorrow, there's no better man to start us on a run to safety!

Appreciate that well constructed post but I disagree on point 2. The squad and manager have never looked or sounded less together and focused.

Last season Wilder had them believing they could beat anyone. Now he's got them thinking they're not fit to lace the opponent's boots.

 

[FMBlade1]

Appreciate that well constructed post but I disagree on point 2. The squad and manager have never looked or sounded less together and focused.

Last season Wilder had them believing they could beat anyone. Now he's got them thinking they're not fit to lace the opponent's boots.

The Leicester away post match press conference was where you could see trouble brewing

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Sometimes great things are broken so badly that they can't be fixed. Feels like this is one of them.

 

[Gavlar]

One and half seasons actually where no investment was forthcoming. Money then thrown at Kendall who ultimately failed. The rest as they say is history

I stand corrected.
I’ve not advocated sacking Wilder so far, but the question I ask is how bad do we accept it could get? Down with no wins? Down with a record low no of points? We don’t even seem to be going down with a fight at present and his subs and team selection is baffling.

 

[Chilttheblade]

Blimey lads, we're doing well, up to 9 threads so far on this post without being shot down in flames from the negative anti Wilder brigade. Perhaps they're still in bed contemplating their navels.

It's funny ,straight after a match it's all negative,but as we get further away from the inevitable loss , positivity builds up as people forget who has put us in this shit hole.

 

[1889]

I don't to want him to go, even if we’re relegated, but I don’t think there’s even a slightest chance that he’ll offer his resignation.

He’s got himself on a decent wedge off the back of his success and has a long contract.

I could be wrong but I get the impression he’s not the sort to forego any financial compensation he’d be due, if we did sack him.