Moose

[Hamburg Blade]

I'm just putting up an alternative view I haven't even subscribed to it myself (you haven't even cottoned onto that) however if he fails in the squad this year I will, he is the most talented forward we have.
Remember there is more than your opinion and your opinion isn't always right.

I had picked that up a little from your original post where you'd highlighted the "if", but I can only reply to the view you put forward - if it's not your actual opinion, I'm not sure why you would want to put it forward anyway. Yes, I'm being a little more unbending on this than I would normally be when it comes to views on players attitudes and efforts, but that's because I think some of these criticisms have gone beyond football and are hitting him at the human being level. Even if he turns out to be completely crap next season and leaves in January, it won't justify some of the comments that have been made, which have crossed the line.
And surely you must know by now, my opinion is always right.

 

[bypassblade]

Lot's of people seem to be questioning Moose's commitment, I don't as I'm not in the loop like you lot but could his attitude be reason he played so infrequently for Bournemouth?

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Not sure what you mean.
I may be the only one who sees and hears about people who have had or having a bad time, but are grafting their arses off despite this to provide for their family. No leg ups, nothing for free but just crack on and don’t complain.
Compare that to Morrison say. Who’s had a tough upbringing but as a young lad has the world at his feet. Can’t/Won’t apply himself to do what’s needed to play but throws out his excuses every time it’s clear he’s failing.

Lys is heading the same way. He has the chance to have it all if he could only apply himself. And all he has to do to get it is control what he eats and do as he’s told for a few hours a day in training completing exercise.
Do that, and he gets paid sums most could only dream of for the next 10 years. He could move his family in, dedicate his down time (of which there’s loads as a footballer) to his child and family (again a luxury very few can enjoy) and make the most of it.

Instead we have a lad who’s telling us he’s not right mentally to play football so is just having a laugh with his mates and showing us all the wonderful things he’s got that none of us will ever have. Perhaps he needs a bit of grounding and introduction to “real life” to remind him that he really hasn’t got it that bad!
I’m fairly confident Wilder has lost patience. So have I. I’m pleased for anyone who can show off all their flash motors, watches, houses, holidays when I can see they have earned them and deserve it. So less bleating, less bragging and more media of you turning blood to water, going the extra mile and making sure you’re the fittest you’ve ever been ready to repay the club that on the face of it has stood by you when you’ve had a rough time.

You don't know any of that. You've built a scenario and an outcome.
He went off the boil big time late on, no doubt. From snippets we get he had a couple of mates or family die, and his girlfriend hasnhad their baby baack in Frrance while he's here.
So, a young bloke on his own , with a world of shit happening, away from family and friends, doesn't stay 100% focussed. Amazing.
Your idea he should just brush it off because he's on a mega wage is bollocks.
Also, you've joined in on the 'he's at it again' , that others seem to be trying, based on nothing.
As far as we can see and hear, he's back in Sheffield training.
Give the lad a chance, this season , he has done nothing wrong. See how he prepares and commits himself on the pitch. Then base an opinion on facts.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Lot's of people seem to be questioning Moose's commitment, I don't as I'm not in the loop like you lot but could his attitude be reason he played so infrequently for Bournemouth?

I think that might have been the small matter of Josh King and Callum Wilson

 

[bypassblade]

I think that might have been the small matter of Josh King and Callum Wilson

No Wilson was injured every month so surely he would have got a chance, I like Wilson but too injury prone.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Lot's of people seem to be questioning Moose's commitment, I don't as I'm not in the loop like you lot but could his attitude be reason he played so infrequently for Bournemouth?

Reasons he 'could' have not played at Bournemouth:
Injury
Attitude
Fucking managers mrs and daughter
Putting dogshit in team mates boots
Punching disabled kids

Not aimed ar you btw. Just amazed at how eager others are to start a witch hunt against a Utd player. A Utd player who could be a season changer for us.

 

[bypassblade]

Reasons he 'could' have not played at Bournemouth:
Injury
Attitude
Fucking managers mrs and daughter
Putting dogshit in team mates boots
Punching disabled kids

Not aimed ar you btw. Just amazed at how eager others are to start a witch hunt against a Utd player. A Utd player who could be a season changer for us.

No I agree I have said on here before if we won 37 games some would moan we'd lost one and were shite, personally I'd like to see him and McBurnie terrorizing defences this season.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

We're getting this guy to comment next

 

[Grizzly blade]

You don't know any of that. You've built a scenario and an outcome.
He went off the boil big time late on, no doubt. From snippets we get he had a couple of mates or family die, and his girlfriend hasnhad their baby baack in Frrance while he's here.
So, a young bloke on his own , with a world of shit happening, away from family and friends, doesn't stay 100% focussed. Amazing.
Your idea he should just brush it off because he's on a mega wage is bollocks.
Also, you've joined in on the 'he's at it again' , that others seem to be trying, based on nothing.
As far as we can see and hear, he's back in Sheffield training.
Give the lad a chance, this season , he has done nothing wrong. See how he prepares and commits himself on the pitch. Then base an opinion on facts.

Yeah yeah.
What were his excuses for being woefully unfit on arrival? So poor it took literally months to get somewhere near to competing for an hour on the pitch.
I’m more than happy to support a lad who’s got his shit together and is proving he’s changed his attitude and effort from being poor professional. But you can’t keep regressing and starting again, with seemingly some reason every time for it.
As for the dosh, it’s nothing to do with him just getting on because of the high wages. My point is he clearly likes the trappings wealth brings, so bloody earn it. If you can’t manage your situation that you’ve created for yourself then either put in place the solutions or walk away to the solution (which seems to be in France) and take the wage that brings.

 

[Nesh Blade]

Compare that to Sharp. Who lost a child in devastating circumstances. How did he respond?

In the One of Our Own podcast interview with Billy when he talks about this though he describes it as selfish if I'm remembering correctly. That's not to pass a value judgement on it, people grieve in their own ways, but just to say that with hindsight Billy had a perspective on it that maybe dealing with it in that way wasn't best for him and his family. Earlier this season Serge Aurier the Spurs player lost his brother in a shooting, and decided to play in the following few days. Again, who knows if that's what is best for him and his mental health. But maybe for Moose playing through the grief wasn't working for him. This has been a really strange and difficult year for people, regardless of whether they have a couple of nice cars or not.

 

[Grizzly blade]

In the One of Our Own podcast interview with Billy when he talks about this though he describes it as selfish if I'm remembering correctly. That's not to pass a value judgement on it, people grieve in their own ways, but just to say that with hindsight Billy had a perspective on it that maybe dealing with it in that way wasn't best for him and his family. Earlier this season Serge Aurier the Spurs player lost his brother in a shooting, and decided to play in the following few days. Again, who knows if that's what is best for him and his mental health. But maybe for Moose playing through the grief wasn't working for him. This has been a really strange and difficult year for people, regardless of whether they have a couple of nice cars or not.

Excellent example with Aurier. And I agree with all of that. Difference between all of those and our Moose is those lads were all fit and professional Before their bad experience and later on afterwards too.

I’m sure they all grieved. And will never get over what happened. But they aren’t using it as an excuse either when they could do.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Yeah yeah.
What were his excuses for being woefully unfit on arrival? So poor it took literally months to get somewhere near to competing for an hour on the pitch.
I’m more than happy to support a lad who’s got his shit together and is proving he’s changed his attitude and effort from being poor professional. But you can’t keep regressing and starting again, with seemingly some reason every time for it.
As for the dosh, it’s nothing to do with him just getting on because of the high wages. My point is he clearly likes the trappings wealth brings, so bloody earn it. If you can’t manage your situation that you’ve created for yourself then either put in place the solutions or walk away to the solution (which seems to be in France) and take the wage that brings.

Yeah yeah.
Why exactly have you assuming he's doing all that stuff now?
Any itk , or just wanted to stick the boot in based on nothing?

 

[Westran]

Excellent example with Aurier. And I agree with all of that. Difference between all of those and our Moose is those lads were all fit and professional Before their bad experience and later on afterwards too.

I’m sure they all grieved. And will never get over what happened. But they aren’t using it as an excuse either when they could do.

What makes you the expert on how people should react to grief or depression? Regardless of what you've fabricated about Mousset, the facts say he was one of our main contributers to through either assists or goals last season, without actually playing loads of minutes.

You dont know what he's been going through or for how long, but whatever you say or think, the club will know exactly whats going on and will decide whether he's worth it or not.

I hope he has a cracking season and scores shed loads of goals without ever playing more than 80mins.

 

[bromtom]

Yeah yeah.
What were his excuses for being woefully unfit on arrival? So poor it took literally months to get somewhere near to competing for an hour on the pitch.
I’m more than happy to support a lad who’s got his shit together and is proving he’s changed his attitude and effort from being poor professional. But you can’t keep regressing and starting again, with seemingly some reason every time for it.
As for the dosh, it’s nothing to do with him just getting on because of the high wages. My point is he clearly likes the trappings wealth brings, so bloody earn it. If you can’t manage your situation that you’ve created for yourself then either put in place the solutions or walk away to the solution (which seems to be in France) and take the wage that brings.

He was unfit because he'd been frozen out at Bournemouth and wasn't training with them for their preseason, and they also messed us around with the transfer. He was a fair few weeks behind and hadn't played a lot of football anyway.

He was still our most dangerous striker even with that.

Apart from having some nice cars, doesn't seem that flash to me really. Dancing in a shoe shop with his mates? He's friends with a small business owner, who isn't? Goes to the local chippy for his tea, likes trainers. Could be anyone his age if you take the cars away.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Compare that to Sharp. Who lost a child in devastating circumstances. How did he respond? There are plenty of others who have dealt with equally more devastating events.
So that’s the point of letting these events define the rest of your life. You either happily take the excuse and use it, gaining sympathy from everyone along the way Without ever resolving it, or you grieve, deal with it and crack on. Like most folk do.

People deal with things in very different ways. It’s not rocket science.
Thank god you’re not in HR

 

[blade67]

What he puts on Instagram is his business. Unless he was working his way through a crate of Special Brew then I’m not really bothered. I don’t understand the appeal of dancing round your car and filming it but I feel the same about many other pursuits like golf or dogging.

He’s a young lad from Northern France not Paul Stancliffe sat in his Parker Knoll eating bolognese and listening to Phil Collins “No Jacket Required” night after night.

So you don't like dancing around cars, golf or dogging. What is there left to do?

 

[WestSiberiaBlade]

No reason to keep on baiting Mousset. And sure, it’s hard to tell as to just how different people are constructed mentally, so I’d hesitate to speculate (at least too much) on as to how and to which degree the loss of his father has affected the guy. People react to different situation in their own, personal ways. Yet, done with enough humiity, I don’t think it’s not off-limits to be somehat bewildered as to how an adult is supposed to be bereaving the loss of his relative to a degree that he doesn’t seem to be able to funtion months and months after the sad news. Nor is it off-limits to ask, as to why and how such a deeply mourning person would find it yet possible to keep on posting all smiley-facey photos of himself & friends & luxury cars in the social media days in and out – this all the very same while. If one can’t pose these sorts of questions, being polite in it and trying to understand, well, I guess we might all need to keep our mouths shut about everything and all. (Apart from posting direct quotes from te Sheffield Star etc. ...) That would make a quite distinguished ”chat”…

I know it’s hardly right to compare one’s own experiences with someone other’s, yet I’m tempted to state my own experience – my own dad was only in his late 40’s, living alone, had switched his cell phone off, and died alone in his small flat. I was alarmed about it only two weeks after the death had taken place, his stinking body having been found. The police had removed the body – eyeballs of the disfigured face by now out of the sockets and on the cheeks - but it was me and my younger brother who cleaned up the floors of bodily liquids emitted from the cadaver in that h*cking awful stench, scraped our late father’s scalp from the kitchen floor etc. Yet, neither of us – me nor my bro, both being much younger than Lys – didn’t quit our dayjobs. We didn’t exactly feel very elated for a few months, though, and weren’t about taking photos of us ”chillin’” with our friends, all smiley faces, and sharing them with god knows who.

 

[blade67]

He was unfit because he'd been frozen out at Bournemouth and wasn't training with them for their preseason, and they also messed us around with the transfer. He was a fair few weeks behind and hadn't played a lot of football anyway.

He was still our most dangerous striker even with that.

Apart from having some nice cars, doesn't seem that flash to me really. Dancing in a shoe shop with his mates? He's friends with a small business owner, who isn't? Goes to the local chippy for his tea, likes trainers. Could be anyone his age if you take the cars away.

Just had a look at his Instagram. Can't understand the fuss. He's 24, and has had a lot going on in the last 12 months by the sound of it. If he was Harry Kane, he wouldn't be here. If CWAK can get him firing again he's like a £20m signing

 

[SwissBlade]

Mousse has had lots of issues off the pitch this season which were in the media a couple of months after the bereavement(s).

Not ITK but I’ve spoken to people that are and he’s also had other issues some of which have been mentioned on this and other threads.

I don’t care what he posts on his insta, I just want to see him mentally in the right place and then physically. Footballers aren’t immune to having personal issues and when people are posting some nasty stuff on here about players, they also need to realise that the player might also be struggling. They’re not just a rating on fifa.

The things I’ve heard from ITK people are very similar to what I’ve heard about McBurnie, but the difference is that McBurnie has both improved physically throughout the season and had a very consistent run in the starting line up

I think over Wilders reign we’ve had a lot of players we’ve brought in as they’ve lost their way and form elsewhere. So the likes of Mousse coming in was nothing new.

We had one of the best potential talents in the club, Morrison and he was canned. Wilder doesn’t mess around. He also recognised personalities, qualities and many other factors.

Mousse has shown his glimpses and I’m hoping that he gets the time and support he needs from within the club (and fans) to both get himself physically and mentally back in the right place.

Proper player on his day. Just needs to get back there.

 

[Westran]

I dont get why people are questioning why Lys is taking grief so badly, for all we know he might not have any problems at all. Just cos he spent a bit of time in France, all of a sudden he's got mentality issues.

Leave him alone ffs. He's had a kid, there's been a global pandemic, his dads died. He's a professional footballer. Beyond that none of you know what, if anything, is wrong with him. You're fabricating the fact that he's still grieving over his father and then turning it into him not been right mentally. Despite, as I said earlier, beem statically our biggest attacking threat last year.

If we got behind our players and supported them rather than thinking we're psychiatrists or experts in his personal life, he might actually flourish

 

[Harrisblade]

Lot's of people seem to be questioning Moose's commitment, I don't as I'm not in the loop like you lot but could his attitude be reason he played so infrequently for Bournemouth?

Didn't Bournemouth simply have a forward line that was quite good?

 

[JT89]

He's sat at home watching TV today when he should be out training. Get him sold, he's lazy, unfit and just doesn't care.

I wonder if any of our other players are lazy and spend time watching TV?

 

[WestSiberiaBlade]

Mousse has shown his glimpses and I’m hoping that he gets the time and support he needs from within the club (and fans) to both get himself physically and mentally back in the right place.
Proper player on his day. Just needs to get back there.

Giving him more time, "support" and excuses will, in reality, be just like telling him outright that it's somehow appropriate/cool/okay for him to be a lazy, idiot sports car fan dreaming of making money any day soon as the most adored and prolific rapper in the whole h*cking world. He's already had manifold his "time" trying (has he even tried, though) to be a consistent footballer and someone plying his trade with any seriousness. A real shame to see such a talent being drawn down the toilet, but I should believe that both Howe and Wilder have given him plenty enough of opportunities. It's clearly not working out. My main concern is as to how much money could the club make selling him. £ 500 thousand?

 

[Bert]

I dont get why people are questioning why Lys is taking grief so badly, for all we know he might not have any problems at all. Just cos he spent a bit of time in France, all of a sudden he's got mentality issues.

Leave him alone ffs. He's had a kid, there's been a global pandemic, his dads died. He's a professional footballer. Beyond that none of you know what, if anything, is wrong with him. You're fabricating the fact that he's still grieving over his father and then turning it into him not been right mentally. Despite, as I said earlier, beem statically our biggest attacking threat last year.

If we got behind our players and supported them rather than thinking we're psychiatrists or experts in his personal life, he might actually flourish

Where did you get the information that his father died?

 

[S40BLADE]

He's sat at home watching TV today when he should be out training. Get him sold, he's lazy, unfit and just doesn't care.

I wonder if any of our other players are lazy and spend time watching TV?

Whats so good about posts like this now is I cant tell the difference from the real ones and the fake ones

 

[Niceguyeddie]

He's sat at home watching TV today when he should be out training. Get him sold, he's lazy, unfit and just doesn't care.

I wonder if any of our other players are lazy and spend time watching TV?

Probably smoking crack or something

 

[JT89]

Probably smoking crack or something

Better have been from his dealer in England. If he's still in France I'll be outraged

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Better have been from his dealer in England. If he's still in France I'll be outraged

He's in a morrocan sharabang

 

[SwissBlade]

Giving him more time, "support" and excuses will, in reality, be just like telling him outright that it's somehow appropriate/cool/okay for him to be a lazy, idiot sports car fan dreaming of making money any day soon as the most adored and prolific rapper in the whole h*cking world. He's already had manifold his "time" trying (has he even tried, though) to be a consistent footballer and someone plying his trade with any seriousness. A real shame to see such a talent being drawn down the toilet, but I should believe that both Howe and Wilder have given him plenty enough of opportunities. It's clearly not working out. My main concern is as to how much money could the club make selling him. £ 500 thousand?

Fair enough. I just hope that you never have a tough time in your life where you need support from your employers or friends, whilst all the time wanting to show your life positively when the inside is eating you away.

It’s not to say that’s what’s happening to Mousse, just speaking from experience...

“Trying” at work can sometimes become “doing enough to make it through the week”

 

[Bladesman]

We're getting this guy to comment next

If Mousset drives up to see me in his big Lamborghini and daft bright orange boots, then starts asking me if he can go see his newborn child.

I shall go OIIII!!! MOUSSET!!! NOO!!!!!