Outgoing? John Lunsdtram

[SUFCinks]

No hatred from me

I look at it realistically. Any player that doesn’t want to be here whether that be Lunny or Messi, get shut. It’s the players prerogative, but no point hanging around. He won’t sign then he needs to go before his contract runs down and he walks for nowt.

Personally, I have no time for any player at the club who won’t sign and thinks he can get better elsewhere. That also applies to Egan if he won’t sign. Wilder won’t stand for it and I’m behind him 100% The club always comes first, not the player and as Wilder also says, he will do whatever he needs to do to protect the clubs interests

i think he probably does want to be here as hes settled and has fought for his place in and around the 11 but would think he obviously wants a fair pay as well. Hes
Performed well this season and we should reward players who we can build the team around. We shouldn't be wasteful with money but equally we shouldn't turn the club into one where our core players dont want to stay long term as financially we aren't competitive with anyone in the league. Long term we will become nothing more than a stepping stone in players careers. Whilst i do agree, i think some balance is needed.

 

[BanderSerge]

if you recall we were piss poor that day ...fk all to do with Holjberg

Oh right! The fact that you can only play as well as your opponents allow you to play means sweet fa then?

 

[SUFCinks]

A lot of our players have signed new deals.
Do you honestly believe that Lunny was only offered a low end Championship wage?

i was saying that his current wages probably reflect low end championship.

 

[bonnet de douche]

Oh right! The fact that you can only play as well as your opponents allow you to play means sweet fa then?

Pretty much ..we were awful and didn’t press ...all he is is like Khaka at Arsenal ..given time andspace to play and control the ref ..yeh he’s ok...put him under pressure and he’s poor ...no coincidence Southampton improved when he fell out of favour after lockdown ....anyway ..leta stick to the discu..let’s see how Spurs fan feel about him in January...I know what the outcome will be

 

[BrisBlade]

I suspect (and hope) it's more than about just wages. Since Berge came in his game time has been limited. With Swift and/or Cash potentially coming in it'll go down again. He's proven himself with a good first season in the prem and probably wants to kick on but there's been a wall built in front of him here.

From the club's perspective he's got a year left on his contract and isn't likely to get much game time next season, so his stock isn't going up. Makes sense for both parties to say thanks for the ride - it's been fun.

I don't get the animosity. Despite all the criticism, he's fought hard to compete for his spot in the squad and been a big part of our success last season. GLTTL.

 

[SUFCinks]

Wilder took Lundstram from nowhere and put him in the Prem.

Lundstram has the strength and the stamina to contribute - and he has 2 good feet.

He owes Wilder everything, and he has just spat in his face for 20 pieces of silver.

How soon do these guys forget?

Life is about honour and self-respect as well as about football and your last million.

Lunny has applied himself and put the effort in to get to where he is - this is partly to do with Wilder but mainly on his own accord. Your talking like Wilder saved the guys life, he just gave him an opportunity as he rated him from oxford. We were being touted with relegation at the time so there was every chance it could not have paid off for him, he took a chance on us as well. He owes Wilder nothing as he has given more than enough to this club to pay off his 700k fee and tiny wages. People shouldnt have to accept less than there value for loyalty. Loyalty works 2 ways. The lads played a full season in the best league in the world and performed well and i assume is asking for a competitive salary. If there valuations are off then we move on but we lose out on a player who we know can perform and we will have to invest in a premier league replacement probably at more cost and with no guarantee if they are any good/will adapt to the system.

 

[ucandomagic]

I suspect (and hope) it's more than about just wages. Since Berge came in his game time has been limited. With Swift and/or Cash potentially coming in it'll go down again. He's proven himself with a good first season in the prem and probably wants to kick on but there's been a wall built in front of him here.

From the club's perspective he's got a year left on his contract and isn't likely to get much game time next season, so his stock isn't going up. Makes sense for both parties to say thanks for the ride - it's been fun.

I don't get the animosity. Despite all the criticism, he's fought hard to compete for his spot in the squad and been a big part of our success last season. GLTTL.

Dear New Member

It doesn’t make sense for both parties - we offered him a fucking good new contract and he has repeatedly turned it down. Wilder wanted him - the guys who made him wanted him - and he wanted to milk us dry or walk away.

I think he was just what we need, hard, athletic, 90-minute guy like Bash - and with 2 good feet. But the guy he looks at when he shaves only sees one person, not the people who have put him there.

 

[Keen Blade]

it has been public knowledge for a long time that JL rejected the fresh terms offered.
So after the publicity by his agent , surely a club would have made an offer by now ?
Player doesn't have to be on the transfer list for offers to come in.
But no club has.
Why not ?
So now he's on the list - at his own request or has CW just put him there ?
You would think , if he has so many PL admirers , he must have requested it.
But I get the impression CW has done it , to get rid of JL's negative waves , the contract dispute + to salvage a fee before he walks for nowt.
JL has scored some good goals but he never looks like a natural on the ball to me.
He doesn't tend to keep it , carry it or run at defences with it.
I wouldn't let him go until we've got Cash & Swift in. For once the buyers will have to wait till WE get our targeted replacements.
I can't understand why he was so upset by Berge coming in because the latter was always going to be a Norwood replacement.
And in fact Berge was out of position + quite poor when he first came in , whereas Lunny looked good + I remember wondering why we'd got Berge when he was being subbed off for Lunny who looked good in comparison.
But no manager or squad can tolerate the mardiness JL's shown since lockdown - I really can't understand how such an attitude can help JL's cause either , in terms of what a new club might think of him.
Such a shame for both parties that we've got this toxic situation now + I rather feel we'll be having Berge , Cash & Swift duke it out for RMF , with the added tussle between Berge & Norwood for CMF and the one between Swift & Baldock for RWB.
My take is that JL will leave just when have the interesting situation of CMF , RMF & RWB being scrapped over by 5 right- footed players , of which he could have been one.
But if he can get more money elsewhere , then I understand his decision.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

People seem to have far too short a memory? Lunny was arguably player of the season before the break if we’re offering him 15/20k a week when others are on double then you can’t blame him.

 

[BrisBlade]

Dear New Member

It doesn’t make sense for both parties - we offered him a fucking good new contract and he has repeatedly turned it down. Wilder wanted him - the guys who made him wanted him - and he wanted to milk us dry or walk away.

I think he was just what we need, hard, athletic, 90-minute guy like Bash - and with 2 good feet. But the guy he looks at when he shaves only sees one person, not the people who have put him there.

I understand what you're saying, but given the situation (Lunny wants more game time / money than we are prepared to offer), who doesn't it suit to put him on the transfer list?

PS - Thanks for addressing me as New Member. It's nice to feel welcome.

 

[Keen Blade]

People seem to have far too short a memory? Lunny was arguably player of the season before the break if we’re offering him 15/20k a week when others are on double then you can’t blame him.

JL should ask Mark Duffy if the latter thinks that CW has a good idea of what contract a player is worth.
CW might not be perfect but I am content to back his judgement by his record with us.
Let's see where JL ends up.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Strikes me no club has put in an offer and we've had to transfer list him to drum up interest , which looks bleak for us getting a decent fee.

It also looks bleak for Lundstram getting £40 k a week

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Where does this entitlement from our fans come from?
JL7 doesn’t have to sign any new deal if he doesn’t want to, or if he thinks he can get a better deal for him. That’s not disloyal, or being ungrateful.
He’s done what’s asked of him so far under the terms of his current deal and if need be, he should do the same next season. Outside of that, he owes us nothing. Just as we owe him nothing after the end of this season.
If he goes elsewhere this summer it us that are deciding to cash in and that would seem to be the sensible decsion for all, but he shouldn’t be criticised in anyway for not just accepting a new deal.

I’m chalking this as another sad episode in the modern world whereby every situation has binary choices. You must be either team Lunny or team Wilder, one of them must be in the wrong. We’ll rewrite history whereby everything they did is either built up to ridiculous levels or ripped down way more than what actually happened reality.

It’s just one of those things where we can’t agree on how to move forwards together, so we shake hands and go our separate ways and wish them all the best.
Some fans need to grow up. GLTTL.

We move on.

 

[raimond]

Ahhhh I dunno.

He wasn't ever as wank as some seemed to think, now he's nowhere near as good as he seems to think.

Shame...pressing and winning it in the attacking third he was a bloody man inspired early last season. But don't ever believe the hype about yer sen- you'd think he wouldn't believe his luck and press on rather than believing all the fantasy league Lord Lundstram bollocks.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Has Lunny being put on the transfer list actually been confirmed anywhere? No mention on OS.

 

[JackSUFC]

He’s a limited player who had a half-decent six months which seems to have gone to his head. He’ll be horrible exposed playing in a different system, especially if it’s in the Premier League. As long as he’s earning a bit more £ though I doubt he cares.

 

[Weneverscorefromcorners]

Ahhhh I dunno.

He wasn't ever as wank as some seemed to think, now he's nowhere near as good as he seems to think.

Shame...pressing and winning it in the attacking third he was a bloody man inspired early last season. But don't ever believe the hype about yer sen- you'd think he wouldn't believe his luck and press on rather than believing all the fantasy league Lord Lundstram bollocks.

The fantasy league stuff is a reyt red herring. For some bizarre reason he was listed as a defender so got all the bonus points for clean sheets whilst actually playing in a much more forward role. If he had been down as a midfielder he would of had half the points total.

 

[Blade58]

Where does this entitlement from our fans come from?
JL7 doesn’t have to sign any new deal if he doesn’t want to, or if he thinks he can get a better deal for him. That’s not disloyal, or being ungrateful.
He’s done what’s asked of him so far under the terms of his current deal and if need be, he should do the same next season. Outside of that, he owes us nothing. Just as we owe him nothing after the end of this season.
If he goes elsewhere this summer it us that are deciding to cash in and that would seem to be the sensible decsion for all, but he shouldn’t be criticised in anyway for not just accepting a new deal.

I’m chalking this as another sad episode in the modern world whereby every situation has binary choices. You must be either team Lunny or team Wilder, one of them must be in the wrong. We’ll rewrite history whereby everything they did is either built up to ridiculous levels or ripped down way more than what actually happened reality.

It’s just one of those things where we can’t agree on how to move forwards together, so we shake hands and go our separate ways and wish them all the best.
Some fans need to grow up. GLTTL.

We move on.

Yep Bob and I'm sure Wilder will shake his hand and wish him all the best. Fans don't usually get that opportunity. We are on the outside trying to look in, but I won't change my view. He won't sign. He wants more, then good luck with that. His prerogative. But that's it for me. Close the door on the way out.

It's difficult because supporters like me only see what we read and are told, but I draw comparisons. Call me gullible or naive, but I draw comparisons with other players at the same football club, players that do sign a new contract, that show their appreciation for the football club and what that club and the management team have done for their career. I see players like Bash publicly support the club and supporters and then I see players like Lunny and what do we get? Nothing, not a word, no allegiance. Fine, like I say, his prerogative, but for me now personally, the quicker he goes, the better.

Nothing personal regards Lunny. I take the same view with any player that doesn't want to be at our club.

Good luck Lunny, but hurry up and go so the football club can move on

 

[Mouth of the South]

People seem to have far too short a memory? Lunny was arguably player of the season before the break if we’re offering him 15/20k a week when others are on double then you can’t blame him.

Who is on £40k/week at Utd? I'm not aware of any players bring paid that much

 

[Torrix1889]

Who is on £40k/week at Utd? I'm not aware of any players bring paid that much

Jags was reportedly on 50K per week....

If it is true that Lunny was on £4K and wants £40K plus per week you can see why the club have told him to fuck off.....£12K to £15K is realistic for a player who has had a good 4 months.....if he thinks he can better that elsewhere then GLTTL.

 

[Yank]

Pretty simple for me: No one player is above the club. Good luck to him if he goes, but he's not as half as talented as he seems to think he is. Cheers for the contributions you made to the Blades, but time to move on.

 

[SUFCinks]

Theres a lot of talk about things happening as factual in stories im reading. Does anyone have any facts regarding this issue, or is the only fact that he hasnt so far signed the proposed contract?

 

[SUFCinks]

Dear New Member

It doesn’t make sense for both parties - we offered him a fucking good new contract and he has repeatedly turned it down. Wilder wanted him - the guys who made him wanted him - and he wanted to milk us dry or walk away.

I think he was just what we need, hard, athletic, 90-minute guy like Bash - and with 2 good feet. But the guy he looks at when he shaves only sees one person, not the people who have put him there.

Do we know what the contract is worth or is everyone guessing at the moment? Is the contract a fucking good one for us or him?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Suddenly occurred to me that Oxford might be due a % of the sale. A quick check on the Oxford forum at the time we bought him suggests that this might be the case.

However I believe this should be voided due to the cheek of the comment below.

 

[HermitageBlade]

I’m old enough to remember Coutts getting transfer listed just before he became a club legend.

 

[brownblade]

Damn, so many people are so willing to stick the boot into Lundstram based on very little. The Sky Sports quote says:

"After six months of negotiations, Lundstram has failed to agree an extension to his contract, which has now entered its final year. "

None of which is new information.

What's the big deal? He cost us bog all, if he leaves we'll make a nice profit on him, he performed out of his skin for a good chunk of last season and scored some important goals. We've already spent loads on a player who's going to play ahead of him (Berge) and are strongly linked with another (Swift), can understand why he'd want to look for first team football if we're not going to give it to him - and can also understand if we're not willing to pay him like a first teamer, on the basis that he probably won't be.

Edit - what bertieblade said

Pretty much exactly this.

Or have i missed a public announcement by Lundstram in which he says bad things about us?!

 

[Jan Age]

John Lundstram had a great season and surprised us all. He had not featured heavily the previous season and looked to be on his way out. However, he got his head down pre-season and really focused on establishing himself at first team level in the premiership. He proved his doubters wrong during the first half of the season and looked a class midfielder. The second half of the season he fell away a bit (even before Covid) - I think his nose was put out a bit by Sander arriving and immediately taking his place and that the fans started to sing Sanders name (Lunny doesn't have a song) I honestly believe he has a bit of an ego problem. However, I think he rightly wants and has earned the right to an improved contract. I believe the sticking points are; Wilder doesn't see Lunny as an automatic first choice (Lunny does) and Lunny is not happy with the improved terms on offer (Wilder is) - unfortunately it is just one of those things that happen and we should thank him and let him move on.

 

[brownblade]

I'd guess (if we are actually selling him) that the fee would be between £3m-£6m.

I actually think he's better off staying as a squad player here. Great player when he's at his best, also knows our system inside out.

But probably we aren't offering him a wage as big as Fleck and co, as unlikely to be first choice.

 

[Guesty]

Theres a lot of talk about things happening as factual in stories im reading. Does anyone have any facts regarding this issue, or is the only fact that he hasnt so far signed the proposed contract?

There's a lot of that floating around at the minute. We basically signed Robinson over the weekend, and last week we'd all but announced Cakir, yet as far as I can see the club haven't even confirmed that they're after these players, never mind on the verge of buying them.

People do like to work themselves up over very little evidence in the window.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

On the John Lundstram thing, he hasn't been "underpaid for several years" as one poster claimed. He couldn't even get in our team in the Championship for a couple of seasons, second fiddle to Lee Evans. When he did come in, we lost (almost) every game.
Wilder publicly stood by him on this issue & has never had a good relationship with the Radio Sheffield interviewer who questioned whether it was a coincidence ever since.

He had a purple patch at the beginning of this season only, which rightly brought us to the table with the offer of a new deal.
I find it difficult to believe the offer was wholly disproportionate to his value, as so many other players signed up to their offers.

His attitude with coming on and pointedly not celebrating goals and generally seeming a bit arsey speaks to a possible (perhaps probable) mardiness behind the scenes also.
I wouldnt be shocked to hear that he's been moping around at the training ground & generally making noise to other players about what he /they could / should be earning etc... Of course, this last bit is speculation but within reasonable bounds.

From the outside, I think the club has done right by him. Firstly by even giving him a shot at Prem football when most thought he'd be released & possibly end up back in League 1.

If he'd continued his early season form and kept Berge out of the team, then we'd probably have moved closer to his demands... but he didn't / couldn't continue that form.

So what you're left with, is a benchman who has been good for 3/4 months of a 3 year spell at the club, demanding wages clearly in excess of our valuation...
We've subsequently told him, good luck. If you can find that deal then do what's right for you and yours. No hard feelings.
If you can't, we might talk again, but the leverage will be with the club and not the agent.